Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) All im asking for is PROOF that you people saying "oh well i dont have any performance issues, get better hardware" I want you to go to Ilum and make a video of a 20v20 fight and make sure you have ur FPS showing, I guarantee NOT one person can run over 60 FPS, NOT one. This engine that BW is running DOES need work, stop blaming performance issues on there hardware. I only made this thread because someone made a post about how BWs engine needs work, and everyone flamed the guy saying "they have no problems and the OP needs to fix his hardware Again I want to see a reply with a 10v10 or more Ilum battle with 60+ FPS...... Prove us wrong.. Edit Quote: TheJestersHat: What is BioWare planning to do about performance issues that people get with Warzone, open world PVP, and general FPS issues? Damion Schubert: We have an internal strike team that is fully devoted to ensuring that the game runs better and faster, especially on low end machines, and we consider this team's work to be a crucial internal initiative. You should see evidence of this work as soon as Patch 1.1.5, when we will be introducing a new 'very low' setting to shader quality, which should drastically increase the number of mid-to-low machines the game can run well on, especially in Warzones and Operations. We do NOT need a new lower performance tab. We need BW to fix there engine. Edited February 29, 2012 by Afflictionz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 No one huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisharrr Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Prove us wrong.[/color] The Negative Proof Fallacy You have a flawed understanding of where the burden of proof rests. You are the one with the claim (that the engine is poorly optimized, that BW is lying, that meteor showers are causing Ilum pvp to be slow). Thus, you have the burden of proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 The Negative Proof Fallacy You have a flawed understanding of where the burden of proof rests. You are the one with the claim (that the engine is poorly optimized, that BW is lying, that meteor showers are causing Ilum pvp to be slow). Thus, you have the burden of proof. Still asking for proof that ANYONE can run 60+ fps in a big ilum battle, but thanks for trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Will proof make you feel better? Everyone knows the game needs coding patches despite the rederick to the contrary. I just ordered KFC. Xtra crispy. mmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koalachan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 All im asking for is PROOF that you people saying "oh well i dont have any performance issues, get better hardware" I want you to go to Ilum and make a video of a 20v20 fight and make sure you have ur FPS showing, I guarantee NOT one person can run over 60 FPS, NOT one. This engine that BW is running DOES need work, stop blaming performance issues on there hardware. I only made this thread because someone made a post about how BWs engine needs work, and everyone flamed the guy saying "they have no problems and the OP needs to fix his hardware Again I want to see a reply with a 10v10 or more Ilum battle with 60+ FPS...... Prove us wrong. I can't post this "proof." Not because my computer can not handle it, but because there is no such think as 20v20 battles on Ilum. I want you to post proof that such a thing exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Will proof make you feel better? Everyone knows the game needs coding patches despite the rederick to the contrary. I just ordered KFC. Xtra crispy. mmmmmmmmm Actually yes, if it makes these biodrone hardware claims stop. And I actually wish i had some KFC right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarai Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Still asking for proof that ANYONE can run 60+ fps in a big ilum battle, but thanks for trying He's got a point, though. By all indications, the issue's down to an interaction effect - it's not down to the engine alone, but rather, some interaction between that and specific pieces of hardware and/or running processes (even so specific as who manufactured a given ATI card, for example), which makes it pretty nasty to isolate and fix. Meanwhile, poorly optimized engines can run well on given machines due to the specifics of those machines. In other words, you're seeking proof of nothing. And for reference, I don't personally build my machines to a 60 frame standard as a budget thing, so I'd be the wrong one to look to for such a video. Frankly, I would very much disagree with the notion that a game must deliver 60 frames at even it's very more taxing elements - 30 is quite sufficient for the vast majority of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 I can't post this "proof." Not because my computer can not handle it, but because there is no such think as 20v20 battles on Ilum. I want you to post proof that such a thing exists. Again I want to see a reply with a 10v10 or more Ilum battle with 60+ FPS...... Prove us wrong. Read the full thing i posted "OR MORE" and in a big battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarai Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Will proof make you feel better? Everyone knows the game needs coding patches despite the rederick to the contrary. ... Do you mean "rhetoric"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 He's got a point, though. By all indications, the issue's down to an interaction effect - it's not down to the engine alone, but rather, some interaction between that and specific pieces of hardware and/or running processes (even so specific as who manufactured a given ATI card, for example), which makes it pretty nasty to isolate and fix. Meanwhile, poorly optimized engines can run well on given machines due to the specifics of those machines. In other words, you're seeking proof of nothing. And for reference, I don't personally build my machines to a 60 frame standard as a budget thing, so I'd be the wrong one to look to for such a video. Frankly, I would very much disagree with the notion that a game must deliver 60 frames at even it's very more taxing elements - 30 is quite sufficient for the vast majority of the population. What FPS do are you getting during big fights on Ilum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarai Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) What FPS do are you getting during big fights on Ilum? Sufficient for my tastes. I don't stare at the FPS numbers when I'm in the middle of playing the game. Regardless, however, the point stands: You're asking for "proof" of absolutely NOTHING. It's utterly pointless, and your refusal to grasp this does not speak well of you. Edited February 28, 2012 by Inarai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisharrr Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Still asking for proof that ANYONE can run 60+ fps in a big ilum battle, but thanks for trying Mars has a network of underground tunnels run by purple space monkeys, prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerohiro Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77Za6DpIdg That's how it plays on an i7 with two 580's in sli. Pretty sure that the engine needs a bit of tuning or we just cant get our hands on the systems needed to play the game optimally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madprophetus Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I don't know what server you're playing on... 20v20? Try 3v0. It looks like a pod racing sim of people driving around at ultraslow speeds clicking on boxes, hoping that the skinner box spits out a treat. This game is garbage, but it's not garbage due to performance. It's garbage because the warhammer online team shanghai'd bioware into putting their name on imperator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 ... Do you mean "rhetoric"? *chewing on a greasy chicken bone*.... umm ya, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarai Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77Za6DpIdg That's how it plays on an i7 with two 580's in sli. Pretty sure that the engine needs a bit of tuning or we just cant get our hands on the systems needed to play the game optimally. And, now we have yet another person who mistakenly believes that system-involved issues can only be a matter of specs. Edited February 28, 2012 by Inarai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivetya Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 No one huh? What did you expect, fanbois have uber rigs and drive ferraris when not playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerohiro Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) And, now we have yet another person who mistakenly believes that system-involved issues can only be a matter of specs. Did you even read my reply before posting? I don't have an i7 on the computer I play on. but I know people who do and they have the same issue's with ilum as I do. I have no problems with lag or fps in warzone's. Its an issue with the engine itself. Edited February 28, 2012 by xerohiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 *chewing on a greasy chicken bone*.... umm ya, that one. I actually play on a well populated server as reps, we hold the center while waves of 20+ imps come at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) I'm a Star Wars SWTOR Fanboi N even I can admit, there's a lot of work to be done. You're not going crazy, they need better coding. I've got a fantastic computer and still there is lag and loading issues here. Is it all bad coding? All from a engine that needs work? Is it a poor server structure? Who knows, maybe all 3 but it can be fixed eventually. Doesn't mean it's your computers fault. Relax, have a sammich. Edited February 28, 2012 by Roechacca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarai Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I'm a Star Wars SWTOR Fanboi N even I can admit, there's a lot of work to be done. You're not going crazy, they need better coding. I've got a fantastic computer and still there is lag and loading issues here. Is it all bad coding? All from a engine that needs work? Is it a poor server structure? Who knows, maybe all 3 but it can be fixed eventually. Doesn't mean it's your computers fault. Relax, have a sammich. Part of the issue is that Bioware never said it had anything to do with machines not being powerful enough, simply that it had to do with specific machines - but people with a poor understanding of how this stuff works don't understand that system power isn't the only thing at play insofar as system-side contribution to performance issues are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afflictionz Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Part of the issue is that Bioware never said it had anything to do with machines not being powerful enough, simply that it had to do with specific machines - but people with a poor understanding of how this stuff works don't understand that system power isn't the only thing at play insofar as system-side contribution to performance issues are concerned. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=329526. Read the first quote, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
United_Strafes Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Still asking for proof that ANYONE can run 60+ fps in a big ilum battle, but thanks for trying Be happy to do that in 6 months when there's more than 5 people on my Ilum...I'll get back to ya then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 meh, just stop it you two. Your both right on different levels. The coding issues will effect different operating systems differently and the game needs improvements. end story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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