Irusan Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 What I am wondering is this: Is there a way to determine if a certain piece of PVE gear may actually be better for PVP than a comparable PVP piece? I understand the non-PVP piece would have no Expertise, but there must be a point where we say, Hey this piece increases my endurance and cunning enough to live without the 48 Expertise. I guess to do this we would have to come up with some value to give each stat for PVP, and I also guess for each spec that may also vary some. Cunning Equivalent Point, for lack of a better name, so for instance: 1 Cunning = 1 CEP 1 Endurance = .8 CEP 1 Expertise = 1.2 CEP 1 Power = .9 CEP 1 Crit Rating = .75 CEP, and so on. THESE ARE NOT ACTUAL FIGURES, I am just making an example. This is where I need the help theorycrafting. That way we could look at a certain piece of gear and say hey, even though its not PVP, it actually scores higher than my PVP piece. Say if we have an Implant with 103 Cunning, 87 Endurance, 48 Power and 39 Surge we could add up the CEP versus a PVP piece with 80 Cunning, 76 Endurance, 48 Expertise, and 44 Crit Rating to decide which is better. Again I just made these stats up to illustrate what Im trying to get at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot_lv Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 What I am wondering is this: Is there a way to determine if a certain piece of PVE gear may actually be better for PVP than a comparable PVP piece? IMO noone can tell you that. Simply because you can't measure pvp fights. In PvE you have a set conditions - boss HP pool, ability timers, enrage timer etc - you have the information you need to calculate dps output. If you know dps requirements you can derive utility coefficients for each stat. In PvP everything is uncertain. You can't just stack an expertise till 450, stack cunning past that cap and win every fight. As a general rule of thumb - stack expertise in every slot (i am not sure, but i think there is an expertise soft cap, around 20% or smth). Then start replacing expertise pieces one by one and make your judgements based on your pvp performace (for instance, damage/death ratio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irusan Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Thanks for responding, very much. And I do understand the importance of Expertise in PVP, it's just that at some point theres going to be that awesome PVE piece that just outperforms the PVP piece. I was just hoping for some help in determining when that point was. Lets say 1 percent Expertise increases our PVP damage by 1 percent and reduces the damage received by 1 percent. But if you could replace a piece of gear that gives 1 percent Expertise with a piece with no Expertise but would increase your damage output by 3 percent and give a boost to endurance in the bargain would that not be better? Or another way to put it, someone in full Rakata gear versus someone in full Centurion gear, all things being equal my money would be on that Rakata wearer, just because of the huge difference in stats, even though the Centurion has far more Expertise. So there is a point where stats outweigh Expertise, I am just trying to figure out when that is. Of course, Rakata versus Battlemaster is a whole nother thing and the BM would have the edge there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiTaNsFaN Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hard to say as well since certain stats are more useful than others to a certain point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irusan Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hard to say as well since certain stats are more useful than others to a certain point... Yes, for sure. We know that surge starts getting some serious diminishing returns at around 240, 38-40 percent crit is God's plenty. We just really dont need accuracy at all, as Concealment Op anyways. Cunning and Power I don't think have any caps, though. I also steer clear of Alacrity. So at least I know of 2 CEP values that would be very low, Accuracy and Alacrity. Also there would have to be two scales of CEP for PVE and PVP, Expertise being used only in PVP and Endurance carrying a bit more weight there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomps Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 iI would argue that full centurion is superior versus full rakata when we are talking about pvp. The expertize is very powerfull stat as it increases you damage output and decreases the damage taken by same factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irusan Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 iI would argue that full centurion is superior versus full rakata when we are talking about pvp. The expertize is very powerfull stat as it increases you damage output and decreases the damage taken by same factor. I am at work, not where I can log into game, but I am thinking Centurion gear is the lower tier of level 50 PVP gear? And Rakata is the highest tier of PVE gear, so I was mainly trying to say even without any Expertise on the Rakata, the stats would simply overwhelm the Centurion. Thats my THEORY for sure, not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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