Vyvian Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You want great rewards for things, you have to do the harder things. Normal mode is simply for the story and getting a feel for the zone. Seriously, two hours? Something is wrong with his group make-up, ability to work together and/or ability to adapt to situations. Sounds like another casual player expecting to just buy end game gear for credits off of a vendor, cause any other manner of gearing up is too much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RefugeASSASSIN Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You want great rewards for things, you have to do the harder things. Normal mode is simply for the story and getting a feel for the zone. Seriously, two hours? Something is wrong with his group make-up, ability to work together and/or ability to adapt to situations. Sounds like another casual player expecting to just buy end game gear for credits off of a vendor, cause any other manner of gearing up is too much effort. If they are taking their time, working on strategy a the OP posted, then 2 hours is more then reasonable. People also take breaks for food, drinks, smoke, bathroom etc. You shouldnt "assume" the OP is looking for easy mode if you dont know the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis_Anubis Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Theres no reason to bother with normal mode flashpoints at 50. I find it amazing that people don't think there's a problem with this state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natarii Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I find it amazing that people don't think there's a problem with this state of affairs. I agree with this completely. Lvl 50 flashpoints *should* be a part of the lvl 50 gear process. As it stands now, fun and compelling instances that are an intigrel part of the story are largely being ignored until one is capable of completing it on hard. These should be granting at least prototype quality loot for fresh 50s to begin the gearing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENKILL Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 They are level 50 fp's so why not give people the same rewards as level 50 dailies? I know which one is easier. Thats not a bad idea but it depends on how much they give you for one completion. If they made the bosses drop daily coms then you could only complete that lvl 50 FP once a day or people could farm the easiest FP for the Rakata pieces in a day. The other option is to make a daily and/or weekly to complete the normal 50 FPs for daily coms with the reward somewhere equal to the amount of coms you can get from running the solo dailies in a similar amount of time. In other words the com reward has to be enough to justify running the FP. With the daily/weekly the bosses still drop gear (orange or blue maybe an aritifact). As it stands now the best thing to do is the dailies on Ilum and Belsavis. If you want your group to get better at their roles, then do them together. The heroics on Belsavis will provide enough challenge for you group considering your pace through normal FE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrubtastic Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 If you have never run it before, are fresh at 50, and don't look up strats this is not an unreasonable amount of time for False Emp. Its a fairly long and trash filled Flashpoint. Hit 50 and did all HM in the first week. Took me 3 days to get all the gear I need from just doing dailies and the AH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serayne Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I agree that rewards for the lvl 50 fp's are lower than I, personally, expected they would be. I am of a similar mindset to the OP in that I will run new lvl 50's through a NM if they are unfamiliar with the group dynamics of PVE play. We have several members who gained lvl 50 through PvP and their class questlines only. It would be more encouraging to upcoming and new lvl 50's if they had at least a CHANCE of getting a really good gear drop off at least the end boss, which some posters state happens in Kaon. So, I agree with you, OP. I don't know that they should be the same as the dailies, but the rewards should definitely be reviewed. A couple blues here or there would not be remiss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relith Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I agree with the FP. When I first turned level 50, it was very early in this games life. There were no writeups on how to beat FPs. There was few pugs, people did them in guild for the most part or with their regular groups. We did battle for ilum and FE as suggested by the quest that starts at the conclusion of your class questline. We had no idea how the fights worked, our gear was terrible. We had largely levelled up solo and weren't making proper use of our abilities. If I could go back in time, id probably call myself an idiot. FE I know took us forever, 2 hours doesn't seem unreasonable. Yet all that dropped was a bunch of green crap. It was a colossal waste of time. It was more difficult than doing the daily missions would have been, infinitely longer, and less reward. These normal mode level 50 fp really need to give better rewards than they do. By the time you have established the experience required to handle the encounters easily, you no longer need that loot simply enough. Later on when Kaon came out, we were much better geared. We did hte normal mode first just to learn the encounter. It was not particularly hard or anything, but it at least dropped purple gear. They need to change the other level 50 FPs to similarly reward the players. Because the difference in difficulty between normal and hard on some of these FP are almost nonexistant. Yet the HM rains purple gear on anyone who comes close. I mean, it doesnt have to be even tionese, maybe just the ripoff version of tionese without the set bonus...whatever thats called. Just ...something to gear up people and reward their hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotRonin Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I mean, it doesnt have to be even tionese, maybe just the ripoff version of tionese without the set bonus...whatever thats called. Just ...something to gear up people and reward their hard work. I think you're talking about Xenotech gear : same stat, just no bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narvok Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I'm posting this because on the weekend me and 3 of our guild completed false emperor which as everyone knows is a lvl 50 FP. At this point i'd like to make it clear we did not run HM. This took about 2 hours and at the end after numerous bosses we were rewarded with, wait for it...., 1 lvl 47 piece of orange armour. Why give out armour that is lvl 47 in a FP you have to be 50 to complete? Its just useless and pointless and devalues any sense of achievement you have from completing the FP. In my opinion this is absolutely disgraceful for 3 people to receieve nothing for 2 hours effort and a substantial repair bill. 30k in repairs and nothing to show for it, I didn't even bother rolling because it was trooper armour and i'm a Guardian tank. I really believe that FP's should reward completion with a commendation that you can then spend on something or save to buy better equipment with. In life we all work on the basis of effort and reward, in this case plenty of effort and zero reward. So two hours for a normal mode? O.o Ive consistently ran HM FE no deaths, no repair bill. Normal modes gives.... wait for it... normal loot.... hard mode means harder loot.. columni. So once you get your big boy pants on and run a hard mode flashpoint then Ill take any loot comments as valid. If I ran a normal mode like that, Id bash my brains in with my keyboard so I woudnt be a burden on society as its not hard. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relith Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Hey, we all start somewhere. My friend and I can duo 3 of the HM FPs, and probably could do 4th and 5th if he would just get the gear together for DPS spec on his powertech (to be honest we havent even tried it w/o him being dps). We were the same two people who as fresh level 50s were idiots and taking about 2 hrs on normal mode FE in a group of four. We had no idea *** was happening in the HK-47 battle for the longest time. No one else really did either, or if they did, they weren't telling. Just because everyone has figured out all the encounters now doesn't mean they were always this easy. With two of us we can kill all the bosses in HM BT in 22 minutes from start to finish (including conversation times, etc). When we first started running it with 4, it took an hour, and we considered it a "great run" if we had it done in under 45 minutes after we had already done it daily for a week or two. You really have no business insulting people if you don't know their exact situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartie Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 So two hours for a normal mode? O.o Ive consistently ran HM FE no deaths, no repair bill. Normal modes gives.... wait for it... normal loot.... hard mode means harder loot.. columni. So once you get your big boy pants on and run a hard mode flashpoint then Ill take any loot comments as valid. If I ran a normal mode like that, Id bash my brains in with my keyboard so I woudnt be a burden on society as its not hard. Just sayin... I'm gonna completely agree with Relith that comments like these aren't constructive, sometimes you just put a team together who's never run together and go do a lvl 50 FP. We didn't research the bosses and we didn't have a really tight level of teamwork we just thought lets roll the dice. I learned more from getting my arse kicked than I ever would of if we'd just blown through and life is about learning. Now I know the loot is pointless and I understand how the fp works will I probably steam through HM FE? Yeah most likely. It doesn't change the fact I really enjoyed it and it also doesn't change the fact that some of us weren't born all stars. I'm quite humble and I can honestly say i've never completed a single fp without having to repair something so I guess you can sit there and proudly proclaim your better than me. If all your achievements are measured purely against anothers failure or level of achievement then thats sad in my opinion. I play this game for fun and enjoy the interaction with my guild which last time I looked was the premise of a past time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyvian Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 So, your OP was for what reason then? By this last post of yours, it was fun regardless. Why the crying about the loot in it? Seriously, you seem to have changed you tone after so many came here and basically told you your group was just bad... *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sconnoll Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) So, your OP was for what reason then? By this last post of yours, it was fun regardless. Why the crying about the loot in it? Seriously, you seem to have changed you tone after so many came here and basically told you your group was just bad... *sigh* And the point of your worthless post? The OP was not crying. Try reading a thread before you post. Learn reading comprehension. People like you ruin this game, go back to wow. Edited March 1, 2012 by Sconnoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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