LVL 50 Flashpoint Rewards Awful

[Smartie]

I'm posting this because on the weekend me and 3 of our guild completed false emperor which as everyone knows is a lvl 50 FP. At this point i'd like to make it clear we did not run HM. This took about 2 hours and at the end after numerous bosses we were rewarded with, wait for it...., 1 lvl 47 piece of orange armour. Why give out armour that is lvl 47 in a FP you have to be 50 to complete? Its just useless and pointless and devalues any sense of achievement you have from completing the FP. In my opinion this is absolutely disgraceful for 3 people to receieve nothing for 2 hours effort and a substantial repair bill. 30k in repairs and nothing to show for it, I didn't even bother rolling because it was trooper armour and i'm a Guardian tank. I really believe that FP's should reward completion with a commendation that you can then spend on something or save to buy better equipment with. In life we all work on the basis of effort and reward, in this case plenty of effort and zero reward.

[Alchropie]

we did not run HM. This took about 2 hours.

 

wh...what?

[Scuzza]

To be fair, you do get Corellia commendations from each boss and then 6 for the daily. I am fairly certain the Corellia stuff is level 50.

[Buttered]

go run HM for christs sake

[Scuzza]

go run HM for christs sake

 

That is a lazy response. Some people don't have great gear at level 50 and would be nice to be able to run Normal mode level 50 FPs for gear. Instead you are running them for the story, apparently.

[Aetou]

No, you get Corellia Commendations for normal L50 Flashpoints which do let you buy blue Level 50 mods...

 

Maybe they could improve the rewards slightly but to say that there was no loot at all... well...

[Natarii]

In defense of the OP, the lvl 50 FPs, when done on normal, only drop lvl 50 green loot from the bosses. This does very little to help the fresh level 50 player gear up for hardmode or operations. All pre-level 50 flashpoints drop blue and orange gear from bosses, but for some reason, at 50, it's all green, which just seems like an oversight. If they truly intended the lvl 50 FPs to be done on normal to begin the lvl 50 gear grind, they failed, because greens don't help. Commendations are decent, but you'd be better off just doing dailies for BETTER commendation stuff. Normal mode D7, Battle for Illum, and FE are almost a complete waste of time.

[MaximusRex]

wh...what?

 

If you have never run it before, are fresh at 50, and don't look up strats this is not an unreasonable amount of time for False Emp. Its a fairly long and trash filled Flashpoint.

[Phanatik]

I agree the lvl 50 instances are not scaled correctly.

 

Each boss should at least drop an orange...instead on nearly all green lvl 50 gear.

 

In all honesty 50 fps are a complete waste. Go do your dailys, upgrade your modifiable armor and once upgrade enough start hardmodes.

[Smartie]

To answer a few of the more reasonable responses we didn't run the HM because were in the process of helping people get used to group work and thought doing the ordinary FP would allow new guildies to get used to controlling mobs and getting their dps right. One of the main problems we had was HK 47 refused to come out of stealth despite numerous aoe attacks until he'd killed a party member with full health. One of the posts is correct you do get Correlia comms but there literally useless. I would like to see equipment available for doing FP's not on a par with raid but maybe artifact 1.0 which is the same you get from doing your dailies then I would think yeah lets do a FP instead of a daily today. Currently it just seems to be futile as most of the serious players simply skipped FP's and began raiding with their dailies orange modded.

[Aluo]

You are doing it wrong.

 

You hit 50, then you run dailys and get epic gear mods.

 

You mod out the orange gear you have with these 49 epic mods.

 

You then go and run Black Talon / Boarding Party on Hard Mode

 

Do these 2 every day tell you start to build up some Tionese / Columi Gear

 

Then progress to the harder instances.

 

Lookup a Columi Gear chart that shows all the loot you need for your class.

 

GET TO IT.

 

 

and spend less time coming into the forums to cry about a perfectly fine system that you just don't understand, and more time getting your Tier 2 gear so you can run 8man Hard Modes and 16man normal modes.

 

GET TO IT, NO MORE ************!

[Smartie]

To be honest there seems to be a suggestion that most people have a guild full of all stars and all those who are deemed unworthy just get kicked. This isn't the case with our guild and the ethos we operate by. We are not a hardcore raiding guild we focus on enjoying the game and having a good time as a group. I understand how HM drops work I merely suggested that it would be good to have something useful as a reward for completing FP's similar to what you get for your dailies therefore offering an altrnative to always going to Ilum and Belsavis to hear the same dialogue and travelling the same dungeon, or is constant repetition an attractive prospect to people? They are level 50 fp's so why not give people the same rewards as level 50 dailies? I know which one is easier.

[JamieM]

Jeez is it so hard just to answer a person's question / suggestion other than by doing so in a manner that shows off how amazingly brilliant the replyer is versus how noobish the OP is? (that's a rhetorical question by the way).

 

OP I agree with you - the loot rewards in normal FPs are sub-par and give no incentive to fresh 50s to run FPs on normal difficulty level. This is wrong as it results in wasted content. I do think they should up the loot rewards to artifact level or at least have lvl 50 blue drops from every boss and an artifact Prototype version drop from the last boss in normal mode.

[MrCute]

Do you know that level 50 FP's (which is like level 47s to me) like Directive 7, Battle of Ilum, False Emperor and Kaon Under Siege can be done before level 50?

 

After you pwned Red Reaper from level 44 to 47, I believe you could start doing the said level 50 FPs. Me, I completed Directive 7 and Battle of Ilum when I was level 49 coz I cant find a freaking group since level 47. But I was able to beat Kaon on my first day as 50 and False Emperor too on the next day. The gear loot to me was fine. BTW, Kaon normal dropped an epic at the end.

 

If you've been level 50 for a while with level 49 Corellia's and GTN mods, you should be doing HM FPs. The level 50 normal FPs are for level 47 to FRESH 50s.

[Kuriden]

You shouldn't really have problems with running HMs, i mean i was decently geared at 50, about 14k HP, 70% ish surge, about 24% crit (Mercenary).

 

After 2 runs of Black Talon HM i got a belt, after 1 run of Kagara's palace normal i got a main and off gun. Then about 2 weeks later i got bracers & columni gloves from Eternity Vault normal.

 

In that one EV i died about 6 times, yeah i don't know the tacs, they're still a bit fuzzy.

 

Morale of the story is; the effort you put in, is the effort you get out.

 

By the time you hit 50 you should have enough dps to do some HMs and maybe KP/EV normal.

 

You just have to try, dailies are useful, but you gotta learn by doing, it isn't easy to gear at 50, i mean i just spent the 330k for speeder 3 on gear i needed to be eligible for HMs & KP/EV.

 

TL;DR - Get a good guild and ask to be carried, if they say no, then just do dailies & misc quests that you didn't finish for money, then buy stuff to be able to do some HMs & Ops.

[sparkyboyyoyyo]

Staying on the topic the OP posted...

Don't get discouraged because you spent a large amount of time on a normal mode FP, and that some people here make fun of you for it. When I ran normal mode D7 for the first time, we wiped so many times on Bulwark that I lost count. I agree that normal lvl 50 FPs drop terrible gear. The one good piece of loot for fresh lvl 50s that I know drops in normal mode lvl 50 FP is the moddable orange main hand in Battle of Ilum. It would be nice if Bioware designed the loot drops in normal lvl 50 FPs to drop lvl 50 moddable gear, so that players who haven't accumulated enough planet commendations at that point are still free to begin dailies to obtain purple mods to fill their mod slots with in preparation for HM FPs.

[Xanikk]

Theres no reason to bother with normal mode flashpoints at 50. When I hit 50 I jumped straight into HMs without bothering to do normals or dailys first. Hell, I jumped into HM ops without bothering to do normal first.

 

This game is so incredibly easy and the loot so easy to get there is no need to pace yourself by doing normal first.

[HellFlame]

If you have a guild ask your guildies to carry you through normal/hm op... you get a lot of comms by doing that and you gonna gear up 80% faster than running stupid hm's.

 

Theres no need for dailys... seriously.. just to farm money if there would be the possibility that your running low on that. (Yes even the rakata implants and earpieces are worse than the columi crafted with augment slot, but yeah you might wanna get them)

 

Screw those mods you can buy from daily comms their useless anyways.. never needed them at all...

[Tikon]

Ye, you may well be right about the loot mate but I wouldn't spend time on normal modes if I was you. Especially if it’s a guild run. Most hard modes are hard in name only (IMO).

 

If you and your mates run HM BT; BP (even if you fail on the last boss); and Foundry I recon you’ll be more than ready to tear Malgus a new one that same night.

[DarthBloodloss]

User error. Select Hard Mode. It has been done before you with bad gear.

 

Best way to run HM flashpoints:

1. Have 1 of your regular group members join a PUG.
   
2. Do FE HM.
   
3. Pay attention and learn the FP. Ask about any boss mechanics you are not 100% fully understanding.This should only take 1 run if you pay attention.
   
4. The next day group with your friends and teach them that which you have learned.
   
5. ?????
   
6. Profit
   

Edited February 29, 2012 by DarthBloodloss

[Ganrax]

In defense of the OP, the lvl 50 FPs, when done on normal, only drop lvl 50 green loot from the bosses. This does very little to help the fresh level 50 player gear up for hardmode or operations. All pre-level 50 flashpoints drop blue and orange gear from bosses, but for some reason, at 50, it's all green, which just seems like an oversight. If they truly intended the lvl 50 FPs to be done on normal to begin the lvl 50 gear grind, they failed, because greens don't help. Commendations are decent, but you'd be better off just doing dailies for BETTER commendation stuff. Normal mode D7, Battle for Illum, and FE are almost a complete waste of time.

 

That's because it is obvious normal level 50 flashpoints weren't designed to gear people for hardmodes. Dailies are the pre-req gearup to Hardmodes for this game. The way they have it set up is that you can get way better equipment from dailies than any normal mode Flashpoint. I honestly think they just have the normal mode so people that have no interest in progressive PvE can see the story. I don't agree with the way they are doing it but it is the way they are doing it.

[Smartie]

Thanks for all the replies, I think judging by everyones response that we will more than likely just start running HM FP's because my gear and most others is already lvl 51 dailies mods so it sounds like it will be more than adequate to get the job done. I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part that they might introduce a FP's shop that you could take the time doing all the FP's through the game and get some gear similar to your dailies equipment when you reach lvl 50. Who knows maybe someone might be listening but chances are i'll be in Columi long before it materialises.

[Aritok]

To all these smart asses who are trying to tell the OP how to play the game, this was not his question.

It is great when they do normal. It is even better when they want to find out the mobs on their own without some spoilers. But the reward for this should be in line.

 

And i have to agree to him, he is right. At least the boss at the end should drop level 50 items. Orange or blue.

Maybe you were unlucky, i dont know his loot table. But when you compare how easy you can get Level 50 items (Ilum champions, heroic daily), its a joke that the end boss in FE is dropping such low level stuff.

But it might be, that you can already do the FE with level 47, and this might be the reason for the level of the loot.

 

 

 

P.s.: to all these who were so skilled and overpowered to do the HM FE the same day they hit level 50 with only green gear in like 30 min (for some it sound this way), this game is to easy for you. Go and find something more challenging for you. But dont harass anyone else with your uberness.

[Templeman]

My guild just ran FE normal for the first time as well and I was very disappointed to see a lack of anything of value. I have run a few HM's already but wanted to do the story quest. I thought it should have dropped some cool moddable gear or something.

[MrCute]

Thats what you get when you skip FPs. Yeah, loots for normal Battle of Ilum, FE, D7 and Kaon sucks when you've been level 50 for a long time. Coz these FPs are like for level 47.

 

What FP before those? It's Red Reaper... the FP that I farmed from level 44 to 47. Why is it the higher the level we are, the lesser chance we get a group for FP? Why is it freaking hard to get a group when we get to higher levels and so easier to get group at low level? Becoz at low level, you can bring a high level people to carry you. Guess what, when you are near 50 ready for FE, D7, Battle of Ilum and Kaon, a level 50 doesnt want to carry you through it. Coz they suck, they chicken out, they dont want to be embarassed as they cant really carry you as they (most of them) HAVE NO EXPERIENCE ON FP. Most people skipped doing FP while leveling.

 

Thats my frustration when I failed to get a group at level 47... spending time in Ilum, Corellia and Imperial Fleet looking for group for these normal FPs. I even put in general chat in Imperial Fleet.. "Why do level 50s chicken out on Directive 7, Kaon and the likes?". I got no answer. LOL. Maybe I am right.

 

I waited my friends to level up for me to do these FP... my friends whom I grouped with from Colicoid and Red Reaper. You know what, my group from level 47 to fresh 50 pwned D7. FE, battle of Ilum and Kaon... Now, the same group wont do these FPs again coz loots in there wont upgrade us anymore. We are now farming its HM version.

 

BTW, fyi, the last boss of Normal Kaon drops purple.

Edited February 29, 2012 by MrCute