shadowAI Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Edit: To make it clear. acquiring wz/mercenary commendation in 1.2 might be easier than it is now. We do not have enough info to calculate things, such as how long it would take to acquire gear in 1.2, other means of wz/mercenary commendations income, new pvp changes...etc. Original post: Currently on the 1.1.5 PTS pvp gear is acquired differently. This is not in the patch notes and can be just an indicator of whats to come in the future(1.2). 1000/1000 wz/mercenary commendations = 1 bm com. 120 wz commendation = 1 champion com. This makes champion com slightly more expensive, while making bm comm cost 4k wz com and removes randomness. It might be there(pts) for testing purposes for when 1.2 hits and 1.2 will have more/different medals and thus wz commendations might be easier to acquire. Edited February 26, 2012 by shadowAI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmov Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Currently on the 1.1.5 PTS pvp gear is acquired differently. This is not in the patch notes and can be just an indicator of whats to come in the future(1.2). 1000/1000 wz/mercenary commendations = 1 bm com. 120 wz commendation = 1 champion com. This makes champion com slightly more expensive, while making bm comm cost 4k wz com and removes randomness. It might be there(pts) for testing purposes for when 1.2 hits and 1.2 will have more/different medals and thus wz commendations might be easier to acquire. Huzzah for grindmaster comms change...o`cmon.Change one retarded system with another that even more retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient_karp Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Change one retarded system with another that even more retarded. That pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Sookie Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Good. Champion gear is a joke to get in it's current form though. Causal to the max. Atleast we won't have to suffer trough random bm bags now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaidax Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 ROFL... Thanks god I nearly finished my BM set... But that just be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 So they are facing the PvP grinding problem/lack of content with... MORE grinding! They are probably thinking: "Hey, we already lost the subscribers who have all gears, lets just hope this stall players that are about to reach level 50" Can't stop thinking how stupid this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinroku Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Change one retarded system with another that even more retarded. Please tell me what you prefer? 1. Luck system when you grind all day, and have a chance to get nothing. 2. Grind all day and get something. What method do you think is best, beside complain is your method. I like to hear peoples ideas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Please tell me what you prefer? 1. Luck system when you grind all day, and have a chance to get nothing. 2. Grind all day and get something. What method do you think is best, beside complain is your method. I like to hear peoples ideas.. How about: Make it cheap to get and focus on real issues like nuke Ilum for good and bring a real arena to have some fun? This is just going to make Warzone quitters to continue quitting and the grindfest in Ilum also continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arteous Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 500/500 Would be far better than 1k/1k then again i guess with this change anyone who has champion or rakata now has absolutely no reason to ever go to illum now or even pick up the daily /weekly wz quests. Talk about pendulum swings every patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savionen Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Please tell me what you prefer? 1. Luck system when you grind all day, and have a chance to get nothing. 2. Grind all day and get something. What method do you think is best, beside complain is your method. I like to hear peoples ideas.. I agree, getting rid of the RNG is a good thing, but getting 4000 warzone commendations (at least currently) is upwards of 10-15 hours of warzones. 20-30 hours of warzones seems like A LOT, for one piece of PvP gear, especially since Champion to Battlemaster is a pretty minimal upgrade. Can't really tell the speed until we see the updated medal system, though. People will probably see a lot more commendations per game. Edited February 26, 2012 by savionen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Good. Champion gear is a joke to get in it's current form though. Causal to the max. Atleast we won't have to suffer trough random bm bags now. I hate the RNG BM bags as much as anyone. But damn....1000/1000 tokens for each BM token.....that's a ******** of farming there. That's 4000 Warzone commendations for each BM token, with a win awarding you roughly 70/win, 40/loss. So even with an average 60 Commendations / game, it will require ~67 Warzones to gain 1 BM commendation. Now obviously there might be more to these changes than we currently know. But without further context, this is a pretty retarded change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmov Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Please tell me what you prefer? 1. Luck system when you grind all day, and have a chance to get nothing. 2. Grind all day and get something. What method do you think is best, beside complain is your method. I like to hear peoples ideas.. Win 3 wz`s get crates and have a chance to get 1 comm from each bag 2 times a day.Or do enough wz`s(u need 4000 comms for one bm token,so its 8000 tokens for,lets say,helm which means you need to do,average, 110 wz`s for that helm.)Have fun with that.Also for all ppl who didnt get bm before that.....accept my condolences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMasterDarth Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Currently on the 1.1.5 PTS pvp gear is acquired differently. This is not in the patch notes and can be just an indicator of whats to come in the future(1.2). 1000/1000 wz/mercenary commendations = 1 bm com. 120 wz commendation = 1 champion com. This makes champion com slightly more expensive, while making bm comm cost 4k wz com and removes randomness. It might be there(pts) for testing purposes for when 1.2 hits and 1.2 will have more/different medals and thus wz commendations might be easier to acquire. So 40 games of 15 minutes for 1 commendation... so 600 minutes.... 10 hours of non stop pvp, not including the queue or anything else... and that`s at 100 commendations per game. The average player will get what? 60-70.. that almost doubles the time... Since a casual player plays 3 hours a day maximum, it will take them... 10 days for 1 commendation? i will say it again... TEN DAYS FOR ONE COMMENDATION. Very cool BIOWARE, you fixed it... totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmov Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I really think they are concerned with losing subs,so they decided to give a carrot on stick so ppl will keep playing.And unable to come up with a good carrot they decided to add even more grind.Whats next?nerf ops so ppl will be able to kill only one boss a week?To make ppl clear EV once a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMasterDarth Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I really think they are concerned with losing subs,so they decided to give a carrot on stick so ppl will keep playing.And unable to come up with a good carrot they decided to add even more grind.Whats next?nerf ops so ppl will be able to kill only one boss a week?To make ppl clear EV once a month? Amen brother. They just keep making this worse... how about making pvp so fun people actually play it because it`s FUN not because you need to play months to get the gear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savionen Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I don't think there's any reason to say "the sky is falling" this is only part of the information. But yeah, currently technically assuming average RNG, and assuming the BM comm drop rate actually is 25%, that'd be 1 BM comm every 2 days, over about 3.5 hours of PvP. So 7 hours for a piece of gear. 2000/2000 would be 1 piece of gear, whenever you wanted to play, but would take about 20 hours for a piece of gear. If you're suddenly getting 250-300 commendations a game though, it's could be a rather positive change. Although I kind of doubt they'd hand out 3 champion commendations a game. Edited February 26, 2012 by savionen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulhaber Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 So 40 games of 15 minutes for 1 commendation... so 600 minutes.... 10 hours of non stop pvp, not including the queue or anything else... and that`s at 100 commendations per game. The average player will get what? 60-70.. that almost doubles the time... Since a casual player plays 3 hours a day maximum, it will take them... 10 days for 1 commendation? i will say it again... TEN DAYS FOR ONE COMMENDATION. Very cool BIOWARE, you fixed it... totally. Double that for Republic on servers where Empire took advantage of the Ilum Fiasco and now Reps win like 1 out of 10 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinroku Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Win 3 wz`s get crates and have a chance to get 1 comm from each bag 2 times a day.Or do enough wz`s(u need 4000 comms for one bm token,so its 8000 tokens for,lets say,helm which means you need to do,average, 110 wz`s for that helm.)Have fun with that.Also for all ppl who didnt get bm before that.....accept my condolences I rather do think its a lot commendations, but I was quoting you who said both sytems are horrible, so I asked you what did you prefer or what other ideas does he have. Me, I really don't care tbh, I do WZs more than Ilum or any other form of PvP in this game. So it'll pay off for me in the long run. Sorry not a fan of zerg fest/trade killing PvP in Ilum. People complain, but never have any suggestions. Then people are like why bother suggestions "BW DONT LISTEN , BLAh BLAH".. If that is true, then why are stuff being fixed and slowly being changed? Edited February 26, 2012 by Jinroku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryotknife Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 so, if a person wants to go from valor rank 0 to full bm gear they can expect at LEAST 600 hours of pvp. or put it another way, if you want BM gear from scratch, you need to pvp 24/7 for almost an entire month without any sleep, eating, work, or breaks whatsoever..... holy grindfest batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exphryl Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Since it's hard to get a 50 on the PTR..... Do you get the Daily Quests to for Bags? If so, the BM Change is awesome. If the quests are gone, meh, it'll suck for my ALT.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elboc Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Maybe there is a chance that this is launching along side changes to iLum where you receive merc comms for activity there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 People complain about how the system is RNG and 'boo RNG suxxors!'. BW puts in progression. "Boo progression is too hardz!!!" Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iite Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Aren't you people missing the point of this entirely ? You now have something to spend your commendations on once you finish gearing from champion. How is this a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmeseReb Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Maybe there is a chance that this is launching along side changes to iLum where you receive merc comms for activity there. that would be nice wouldnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmov Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I rather do think its a lot commendations, but I was quoting you who said both sytems are horrible, so I asked you what did you prefer or what other ideas does he have. Me, I really don't care tbh, I do WZs more than Ilum or any other form of PvP in this game. So it'll pay off for me in the long run. Sorry not a fan of zerg fest/trade killing PvP in Ilum. People complain, but never have any suggestions. Then people are like why bother suggestions "BW DONT LISTEN , BLAh BLAH".. If that is true, then why are stuff being fixed and slowly being changed? Here is what they should`ve done: Daily quest gives some bm commendations(rise quantity for a piece).To get daily done you need to do objectives:do over 350k damage/healing done,score twice in one hutball,kill 10 players near turret,something that rewards usefull participation,not luck in getting good team.That way bm gear will be harder to get for bads and easier for good players. Edited February 26, 2012 by cosmov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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