Kill trading in ilum: Valor exploit

[phuxwel]

Players on Kraysis Obelisk are meeting at certain times all in the middle of ilum and trading kills and caps of the points to maximize valor gain. they leave healers alive to rez people to make kill trading faster. Is this type of exploit allowed?

 

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/bballplyr23/Screenshot_2012-02-26_14_14_42_364735.jpg

[Zanxscarce]

-.- We do that in our server too -.-

[Raggok]

Bioware has condoned this activity. For some reason they think people standing around killing each other farming valor deserve future valor-level restricted gear moreso than people who actually go out and fight to earn every single point of their valor at a MUCH slower rate. And by MUCH slower, I mean ridiculously slower. They are actually punishing people who play the game legitimately for not wanting to partake of the lameness that is kill-trading.

 

This is why people who take PvP more seriously than Bioware does will leave the game when something else becomes available.

Edited February 26, 2012 by Raggok

[Kaliren]

I've been witnessing this behavior on Wound in the Force server, and reporting those who do it as exploiters, because it is an exploit.

 

I'd really like clarification about this issue.

[Mongrul]

enemies killing enemies. whats the problem?

[Natharon]

I think the question is, what is the point of your left toolbar if you never use it.

[phuxwel]

the problem is there skirting around the intended use of the system=exploit. They are not fighting they are standing there taking turns with kills

[phuxwel]

lol i very clearly have throw huttball and battle rez on my left toolbar

[Natharon]

Also it technically isn't an exploit, it is merely a collection of players who aren't real pvpers. They have them in every game. When we get to rated and you have alt guild farmings etc, then you can call it quits.

[cosmov]

I've been witnessing this behavior on Wound in the Force server, and reporting those who do it as exploiters, because it is an exploit.

 

I'd really like clarification about this issue.

 

There was a post from bioware that players killing other players on illum is fine and dandy even if they kill trading.

[Zanxscarce]

We usually meet up and challenge each other to duels, set some ground rules (like no interfering or healing others). The winner gets the valor and rewards, and the loser gets rez'd. Nothing wrong with that imo, considering Bio messed up a few months back and let 10k people get to Valor 60 in a day

 

 

But yea, there is a down side to what we do. Its not like we sit there and say, "cool, its your turn now to get some points". Still have to earn them.

 

 

And it not even a huge boost. Just a secure boost that you don't get from playing premades in huttball or a lag-tastic game of voidstar.

Edited February 26, 2012 by Zanxscarce

[phuxwel]

what you are doing sounds fine, friendly duels in front of a crowd; however that is not what is happening here

[RazielHex]

So.. kill them instead.

 

Problem solved.

 

If they go somewhere else, find them and kill them.

 

Interrupt and stop them from getting objectives.

 

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Edited February 26, 2012 by RazielHex

[SpyleL]

Yeah because 1 person is going to go into a kill trading op and completely interrupt 50 players.

 

This sort of thing should not be allowed.

 

It seems the majority of players do this on my server because when it is going on - no warzones ever pop. Basically killing any real pvp for real players while they exploit.

[Evuke]

it's not exploiting, it's just idiots being idiots.

 

when they were using /stuck that was an exploit (abusing a bug in the game to gain an advantage).

Edited February 26, 2012 by Evuke

[RazielHex]

Yeah because 1 person is going to go into a kill trading op and completely interrupt 50 players.

 

This sort of thing should not be allowed.

 

It seems the majority of players do this on my server because when it is going on - no warzones ever pop. Basically killing any real pvp for real players while they exploit.

 

Get more people then.

[Stonewall_Jack]

The people getting valor in 1 day hurted pvp more than this, tbh all these guys are only catching up to a (cheated) elite group. It stays quite lame and on my server it is all fair fights, but it takes 30-40 warzones to get a level in the 50-65 range that is hours upon hours of pvp-ing and compare that to getting to 60 in a day...

 

The superfast BM's were the 1st thing that killed the PvP, now most of them you luckily no longer see (I guess it got boring?), but yeah more and more people are no longer pvp-ing and teams are becomming realy heavy on sorcs and sages, which makes up for totally boring games.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Stonewall_Jack

[oblongship]

Players on Kraysis Obelisk are meeting at certain times all in the middle of ilum and trading kills and caps of the points to maximize valor gain. they leave healers alive to rez people to make kill trading faster. Is this type of exploit allowed?

 

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/bballplyr23/Screenshot_2012-02-26_14_14_42_364735.jpg

 

Bioware's GM's have officially said this is working as intended and is not a exploit.

[hargrave]

What you have to do is make it more public post it everywhere with that link and advertise that as swtor pvp. The more people that know and see that the more new people will be turned off to it and theyll have to get off thier butts and condem the crap. Not thier is a reason to go to ilum now anyways lol

[phuxwel]

Bioware's GM's have officially said this is working as intended and is not a exploit.

 

not according to the response i got from my ticket and also my post in customer support

[CaptainDil]

I think the question is, what is the point of your left toolbar if you never use it.

 

 

I think this sums up the thread

[lexiekaboom]

1) No one got valor 60 in a day. Please stop saying that, it makes us all look bad. Explained below if you care

 

 

Valor 1 to 50 is about 180,000 Valor

 

Valor 50 to 60 is about 250,000 Valor.

 

The OMG number of valor/minute is 1000 (the most I've heard anyone claim you were able to get. This number is complete BS and couldn't be obtained, but more on that later)

 

At 1000 valor a minute, rank 1 to rank 60 would take 7.6 hours in absolute ideal conditions.

 

The servers were up with this bug for about 5 hours (or 50,000 x 5 valor) before they turned the speeders off.

 

Now let's talk about IDEAL CONDITIONS. The most you can get per kill is 160. So you need 7 people to show up and be killed every 60 seconds. So the logical falities you are ignoring to beleave this happened are as follows;

 

You assume at least 7 people form the "losing" team showing up or re-spawning every minute for 5 hours non stop.

 

You assume that every one of them lasted long enough for every person on the other team to hit them, or this ONE GUY managed to hit ever single one of them

 

You assume at no time was a cap point lost (or that there were MORE then 7 people dying over and over again, so the valor for each one is decreased)

 

Given the fact that you can only have valor as high as your level, you also assume that there was a level 50 guy who had never PVPed (valor 1) who cared enough to spend his whole day on doing this

 

btw, the turrets were not giving valor. I was there and killed them.

 

 

2) Ilum isn't fun

 

3) The quest is a requirement of making the PVP arenas fun for a lot of people, because you need gear.

 

4) Video games are something you play "to have fun"

 

5) People should be allowed and I would say extremely encouraged to do every and anything they can to minimize the amount of time they have to do NOT FUN things in order to be able to do FUN things.

 

6) The onus on BW to make Ilum fun. People can't be expected to play by the rules if the rules suck and the game was supposed to be DESIGNED FOR THEM.

 

7) If you see people who clearly don't want to PVP on Ilum but are stuck having to PVP on ilum because of poor design find a way to "loophole" the process and think "wow, good for them. This whole thing sucks", congratulations, you are a decent human being. If you think "MY WORD! SOMEONE SHOULD FORCE THEM TO NOT HAVE FUN!", you fail a being a decent human. Stop being a horrible human.

 

8) If you are not a human, but in fact a robot, please forgive my attempt to judge your morality in step 7 based on our standards. I know you are trying really hard man, and you'll get this "human" thing right one day. You just keep doing what you're doing big guy. We love you just for trying.

[phuxwel]

While i respect your post as it made a fairly valid point, but you are wrong if for no other reason than the fact that some people have honor and prefer to play by the rules and if you assume those people exist and they do. Then doing this is not honorable as it skates by the rules. Also there were around 30 people on each side And 200 valor is the most you can get per kill.

[Twor]

 

2) Ilum isn't fun

 

3) The quest is a requirement of making the PVP arenas fun for a lot of people, because you need gear.

 

4) Video games are something you play "to have fun"

 

5) People should be allowed and I would say extremely encouraged to do every and anything they can to minimize the amount of time they have to do NOT FUN things in order to be able to do FUN things.

 

6) The onus on BW to make Ilum fun. People can't be expected to play by the rules if the rules suck and the game was supposed to be DESIGNED FOR THEM.

 

7) If you see people who clearly don't want to PVP on Ilum but are stuck having to PVP on ilum because of poor design find a way to "loophole" the process and think "wow, good for them. This whole thing sucks", congratulations, you are a decent human being. If you think "MY WORD! SOMEONE SHOULD FORCE THEM TO NOT HAVE FUN!", you fail a being a decent human. Stop being a horrible human.

 

8) If you are not a human, but in fact a robot, please forgive my attempt to judge your morality in step 7 based on our standards. I know you are trying really hard man, and you'll get this "human" thing right one day. You just keep doing what you're doing big guy. We love you just for trying.

 

This has to be a troll. I can not believe someone would write something like that and actually believe what he wrote. Or it is one of the most stupid posts I have ever seen, espescially 7+8.

 

Here is one for you. If the rules "suck" and you think they don't apply to you because they suck... there is the door. Or try to apply that in your daily life...

[lexiekaboom]

While i respect your post as it made a fairly valid point, but you are wrong if for no other reason than the fact that some people have honor and prefer to play by the rules and if you assume those people exist and they do. Then doing this is not honorable as it skates by the rules. Also there were around 30 people on each side And 200 valor is the most you can get per kill.

 

See I can respect that. You seem like a good guy, but you need to understand this isn't a friendly game of baseball or something.

 

There is no honourably or not honourably in a community of 1.7 million people with different world views. If BW made a system that depends on people's honour ... on the INTERNET ... opps?

 

Game design is about "will people WANT to do this"? Yes? Good idea. No? Bad idea. If you find yourself asking "will people put up with this because of some code of honour or some other BS" ... you might want to go back to the drawing board. Or set the bar a little higher. Or both.

 

You talk about real life, so sure, I'll toss around some real life for you.

 

You have kids. They are 7. Seven year old kids like to run. You don't want them to run, you want them to clean the house.

 

You can

 

a) SCREAM AT THEM AND TELL THEM NOT TO RUN. Take away toys. Take away food. BEAT THEM IF YOU HAVE TO. Just tell them flat out, NO RUNNING FOR YOU. CLEAN OR I WILL PUNISH YOU. Then punish them as needed.

 

b) Accept that they would clearly rather be running then cleaning the house. Find a way to make cleaning the house fun for them, possible by ... I don't know ... incorporating running!

 

c) hope that the honour and good nature of a 7 year old will win in the end and they will just stop running when they realise it's causing a problem for you.

 

So bad person, good person, or crazy person.

 

Which are you?