Gear mods won't do the trick

[Deewe]

We all know the devs are working in the background to give us more flexibility in terms of gear customization.

 

Simply put: it won't do the trick

 

 

Thing is each time you'll want to switch your gear, you'll have to either transfer all mods to the new gear or have duplicate mods.

• First, even without a fee, switching the mods is a bit tedious.
  
• Then and more important is the gear mod system only works if you consider players don't use more than one set of gear.
  
• Furthermore multiply that by the numbers of companions each character has.
  

 

With TOR mod system, without appearance tabs, the process to have more than one set of gear becomes tedious.

Now with an appearance tab system topped with a wardrobe, you can maintain multiple sets of gear and swap them in a single click and stay fully efficient.

 

Gear mods are a nice tool but you need more than that to compete with others MMO.

[IIII-IIII-IIII]

First, even without a fee, switching the mods is a bit tedious.

Tedious? Really...?

[Zocat]

With TOR mod system, without appearance tabs, the process to have more than one set of gear becomes tedious.

Now with an appearance tab system topped with a wardrobe, you can maintain multiple sets of gear and swap them in a single click and stay fully efficient.

 

Gear mods actually offer more flexibility of customization for a character. "Dont like the mod in item X? Change it with one from item Y". People can prioritize their stats more efficiently.

You dont need to swap the whole item.

 

I also dont really see what prevents you from swapping your whole gear like in other MMOs. If you want to keep the look you can obtain another set and just mod it different.

Sure that is a bit more tedious compared to a single wardrobe - but the advantages (more customization) imho outweights this disadvantage.

[Azzras]

So your choice in gear will actually matter a little bit?

 

I like it.

[Deewe]

Tedious? Really...?

Yup, you need multiple clicks to open the needed UI frames then remove and transfer the mods then equip the items one by one.

 

In LotRo I can one click totally switch between 5+ sets of gear, which btw would even have different shown or hidden gear slots. ie: yes you can hood up/down on most cloaks and hide the shoulder pads too, even the shoes!

Edited February 26, 2012 by Deewe

[IIII-IIII-IIII]

Multiple clicks is hardly "tedious" but too each their own. The fee to swap is the only thing I'd deem "tedious".

[toliman]

i think the problem is if you don't have a few of each mod, that every mod has to come from existing custom gear, or other gear, etc.

 

that's going to be tedious if you don't know what mods you want in advance, or have to take it from existing gear.

 

that said, it's going to be pretty static at this stage, people are already theorycrafting the stats for each class and working out the effect on rotations, etc.

 

i imagine there's already a spreadsheet on how to effectively raid-spec custom gear using commendation/pvp level mods, and how many you need of each, etc. so it wouldn't be any more tedious than collecting the commendations or the gear itself via operations.

[Deewe]

Gear mods actually offer more flexibility of customization for a character. "Dont like the mod in item X? Change it with one from item Y". People can prioritize their stats more efficiently.

You dont need to swap the whole item.

 

I also dont really see what prevents you from swapping your whole gear like in other MMOs. If you want to keep the look you can obtain another set and just mod it different.

Sure that is a bit more tedious compared to a single wardrobe - but the advantages (more customization) imho outweights this disadvantage.

Let's say you want to maintain 3 sets of gear it means either you have to put your hands on 3 exact same mods for each slots (grind) or switch all the mods each time you want to change your gear (click fest).

Then once you done all that you need to go to your inventory and click on each item to equip it (more clicks). BTW all these item will make your inventory even more messy.

 

A bit more tedious, not really it's much more tedious especially if you regularly switch your gear.

 

 

I don't see more customization than in say LotRo. Without even taking into account that in this game I can hide my cloak, my shoulder pads, my glove, even my boots, and that I can dye my gear too ; in that game I can wear any item usable by my class without bothering for it's stats. And I can one hot key switch to any of the presets I have.

 

 

Gear mods are like story for a MMO, a nice topping but they aren't sufficient by themselves. Would the devs implemented them as such, it would have been a great feature but as replacement they aren't as good as appearance tabs.

 

Will this system provide you as much options as the appearance tab you are asking for? No it won’t. But it definitely provides a whole lot more visual customization than a purely drop driven MMO as you can modify the equipment you find/buy in the game with any fitting mod you buy/find/craft.

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[flyersfan]

Thing is each time you'll want to switch your gear, you'll have to either transfer all mods to the new gear or have duplicate mods.

• First, even without a fee, switching the mods is a bit tedious.
  
• Then and more important is the gear mod system only works if you consider players don't use more than one set of gear.
  
• Furthermore multiply that by the numbers of companions each character has.
  

 

Then don't change your gear. If you're not willing to pay the cost, then you just have to live with what you've got. In life, sometimes you have to just live with your decisions and accept the consequences. BioWare shouldn't have to hand you everything on a platter.

 

Also, switching mods takes a grand 15 seconds for each mod. It's not that tedious, especially if you already know what you're taking out and where you're putting it.

[Drake_Hound]

I love gear mods , honestly after collecting 8 tokens of dailies , you atleast have a upgrade.

 

every mod you upgrade is a upgrade , I love the flexibility of min maxing it brings.

And if people are lazy don´t want to do it .

Then so be it , but I love the way you can swap mods out and come out ahead of competition.

 

Cause they wear silly rataka pieces who puts them over the accuracy cap .

All in all , Gead mods is the best thing ever in a game .

Beats tedious transmorg for stats that you cannot even control .

[Deewe]

Then don't change your gear. If you're not willing to pay the cost, then you just have to live with what you've got. In life, sometimes you have to just live with your decisions and accept the consequences. BioWare shouldn't have to hand you everything on a platter.

 

Also, switching mods takes a grand 15 seconds for each mod. It's not that tedious, especially if you already know what you're taking out and where you're putting it.

Not tedious?

 

A character can equip 7 items that have an impact on its look = 20 mods * 15 secs = 300 sec == 5 minutes

 

I bet that I can do it in less than that Still unless you are doing item by item you'll also need 20 inventory slots for the mods + 7 for the new items just for switching one set of gear.

 

Now think companions (= x5) and maybe you'd like more than one set per character or companion. I'll let you do the math here.

 

Can we agree it's tedious? Even more as the UI isn't handy too.

 

Versus, for example LotRo, this system doesn't stands more than, I concede, 15 secs.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Deewe

[Drake_Hound]

but wasn´t the purpose of gear swapping and min maxing , or fixing gear suppose to be tedious effort

Something most people enjoy doing for another 30 min , on the republic fleet or near a bank.

 

Isn´t it a awesome feeling once you upgraded your gear , you can cascade pieces down to your companions ?

Instead ok I keep it for comestic values ...

[flyersfan]

Not tedious?

 

I just said it's not that tedious. I'm not trying to say it's a grand adventure of excitement, but it's not that bad. You said it yourself, it only takes five minutes. I'm not sure who does that for all their companions either. Most people I know only use one of them.

[DalrisThane]

Deleted. No point. Everyone is TLDR these days. +See Sig. Edited March 31, 2013 by DalrisThane

[Deewe]

I just said it's not that tedious. I'm not trying to say it's a grand adventure of excitement, but it's not that bad. You said it yourself, it only takes five minutes. I'm not sure who does that for all their companions either. Most people I know only use one of them.

Tedious is when grinding does not rewards you.

 

It's a game after all. We should not be required to do unfun activities to enjoy something.

 

 

Go tell a LotRo RPer they'll now need 5 minutes to switch their gear. I'm not sure you'll be that much welcomed. Their system is better, we both know that.

 

The mod system is a nice topping not an alternative. At least not how BioWare implemented it. Now TOR could be better than LotRo would they want it so. They "just" have to combine both systems.

[DaxRendar]

The mod system is a nice topping not an alternative. At least not how BioWare implemented it. Now TOR could be better than LotRo would they want it so. They "just" have to combine both systems.

 

The Mod System is a pretty cool system for Stats Customization and tailoring, but as Deewe has said it's an extremely poor solution for Cosmetic/Roleplaying purposes.

 

It kinda amazes me that anybody would defend it for those purposes.

 

Why wouldn't people want both?

[illgot]

We all know the devs are working in the background to give us more flexibility in terms of gear customization.

 

Simply put: it won't do the trick

 

 

Thing is each time you'll want to switch your gear, you'll have to either transfer all mods to the new gear or have duplicate mods.

• First, even without a fee, switching the mods is a bit tedious.
  
• Then and more important is the gear mod system only works if you consider players don't use more than one set of gear.
  
• Furthermore multiply that by the numbers of companions each character has.
  

 

With TOR mod system, without appearance tabs, the process to have more than one set of gear becomes tedious.

Now with an appearance tab system topped with a wardrobe, you can maintain multiple sets of gear and swap them in a single click and stay fully efficient.

 

Gear mods are a nice tool but you need more than that to compete with others MMO.

 

I agree fully with you. Many at the end of beta also agreed that their mod system was great for modifying an item but not a suitable replacement for an appearance tab.

[DalrisThane]

Deleted. No point. Everyone is TLDR these days. +See Sig. Edited March 31, 2013 by DalrisThane

[face_hindu]

Then don't change your gear. If you're not willing to pay the cost, then you just have to live with what you've got. In life, sometimes you have to just live with your decisions and accept the consequences. BioWare shouldn't have to hand you everything on a platter.

 

First time I've EVER agreed with a Flyers fan about anything, but this is right on, man.

 

But Philly still sucks, except for Pronger, hope he plays again... Matty Read's good. Giroux. But Bryz is going to choke in the playoffs... you know it.

[Deewe]

I probably don’t understand the question, but I’ll answer the one I think you meant.

 

I’m against any form of min-maxing.

My understanding is you can have both mods and appearance tabs in the same game.

 

Now about your min/max point there's a difference between wanting to be efficient and maxed out. Thing is without an appearance tab (or like) system you can't conveniently manage your equipment and display the gear you like without a big trade off on stats.

 

So while some players do want to max out their stats and look cool without being someone else twin, I dare saying most players are more into having fair stats and a good look without the hassle of managing multiple mods and piece of equipment through a not very convenient UI.

Edited February 29, 2012 by Deewe

[DalrisThane]

Deleted. No point. Everyone is TLDR these days. +See Sig. Edited March 31, 2013 by DalrisThane

[Deewe]

I just want more than one "acceptable" path to play or gear up, hence why I get worried about UI, and builds, as I don't want to "have" to do build-a with gear-b as the only way to beat encounter-c...

Yup that's the point with going farther than gear mods.

 

I can understand the devs wants players to "earn" their look eventually grinding be needed mods for multiple gear sets. However in the end the players will take the shorter path and one of them goes through doing it elsewhere in more user friendly games like LotRo, Aoc, Rift,... even WoW!