Loupe Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ I haven't been keeping up closely with these guys. But Keen is uncannily right in his perceptions a vast majority of the time. Besides his assessments, in addition I can not tolerate the bugs and poor design elements which just make you wonder about the designers professionalism, if not their talent. Also the general game management structure and failure of proper public relations and in game support. It was great while it lasted and save something biblical in effect to change how the game plays and feels, I do not see this title lasting. I'll hang out a while longer, probably go back to an older title like DDO.. I'm sure they've added content by now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldwyn Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Good read, summarizes how a lot of folks feel. The comments are also very insightful from a large amount of gamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkin Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ in addition I can not tolerate the bugs and poor design elements which just make you wonder about the designers professionalism, if not their talent. Kinda makes me wonder. People have put up with far worse and even now tout how awesome it was. Has the gamer nation as a whole turned into such wusses? Edited February 24, 2012 by Genkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaste Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Kinda makes me wonder. People have put up with far worse and even now tout how awesome it was. Has the gamer nation as a whole turned into such wusses? Yes. I give you the MMO-Lite player base; they want it here, now and easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiam Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ I haven't been keeping up closely with these guys. But Keen is uncannily right in his perceptions a vast majority of the time. Besides his assessments, in addition I can not tolerate the bugs and poor design elements which just make you wonder about the designers professionalism, if not their talent. Also the general game management structure and failure of proper public relations and in game support. It was great while it lasted and save something biblical in effect to change how the game plays and feels, I do not see this title lasting. I'll hang out a while longer, probably go back to an older title like DDO.. I'm sure they've added content by now.. Good, quick, to the point write-up. I agree with it completely. Hopefully at least 1 of the 2 games I'm beta testing will be better, would be awesome if they both were great Edited February 24, 2012 by Tiam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernetic Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Kinda makes me wonder. People have put up with far worse and even now tout how awesome it was. Has the gamer nation as a whole turned into such wusses? Yes. I give you the MMO-Lite player base; they want it here, now and easy. It's funny that people keep saying things like this about TOR. TOR is the easiest, most casual friendly MMO I've ever played. It's a complete joke. Anyone who thinks they are "hardcore" because they pay to beta test a game is delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaskaszh Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Kinda makes me wonder. People have put up with far worse and even now tout how awesome it was. Has the gamer nation as a whole turned into such wusses? Your typical gamers nowadays are entitled, self-important, generally immature (at least as far as their public persona goes), unrealistic, and have no idea what they want out of a game. This isn't a troll or "rude behavior", it's just what I notice on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quraswren Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ I haven't been keeping up closely with these guys. SNIP I could counter about 80 - 90 % of what they said so you wont mind if I dismiss a random blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magubins Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 well written stuff pretty much sums things up for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaste Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's funny that people keep saying things like this about TOR. TOR is the easiest, most casual friendly MMO I've ever played. It's a complete joke. Anyone who thinks they are "hardcore" because they pay to beta test a game is delusional. Hence why my statement was made? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaMayhem Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 That was just another 'I quit' post disguised as a blog. Nothing to see here. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kashaun Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I could counter about 80 - 90 % of what they said so you wont mind if I dismiss a random blog. Have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esaru Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Logged in just to post here. I agree completely... pretty much exactly how I'm feeling at this point. The game has no long lasting value, especially at the rate that things are being implemented and fixed (read: far too slow). SWTOR is a decent game for a short amount of time until you realize how incredibly shallow and simple it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypsezero Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://www.keenandgraev.com/2012/02/14/copy-gold-leader-out/ I haven't been keeping up closely with these guys. But Keen is uncannily right in his perceptions a vast majority of the time. Besides his assessments, in addition I can not tolerate the bugs and poor design elements which just make you wonder about the designers professionalism, if not their talent. Also the general game management structure and failure of proper public relations and in game support. It was great while it lasted and save something biblical in effect to change how the game plays and feels, I do not see this title lasting. I'll hang out a while longer, probably go back to an older title like DDO.. I'm sure they've added content by now.. Stopped reading the blog post after the first sentence. They went into the game expecting it to suck, so that is all they got from the game. When you have already made your mind up about something before you try it then all your doing is wasting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uidLucid Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 To put it gently, I didn't bother reading their opinions as I am capable of forming my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPaq Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Your typical gamers nowadays are entitled, self-important, generally immature (at least as far as their public persona goes), unrealistic, and have no idea what they want out of a game. This isn't a troll or "rude behavior", it's just what I notice on a regular basis. Pretty much this. I made my own idea during the 2 beta. As for being hard... let me talk to you about Naxx/40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esaru Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Your typical gamers nowadays are entitled, self-important, generally immature (at least as far as their public persona goes), unrealistic, and have no idea what they want out of a game. This isn't a troll or "rude behavior", it's just what I notice on a regular basis. Clearly you didn't even read the article. All the points he makes are valid, completely level-headed and fair. Edited February 24, 2012 by Sireene rude/uninviting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaskaszh Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I should also point out that the bloggers' main problem with SWTOR is fairly obvious; it's not World of Warcraft. On several occasions, they bemoan SWTOR in direct comparison to WoW, but they never compare SWTOR to any other MMO (except once compparing it, negatively, to Warhammer Online and DCUO). Anyone whose first MMO was WoW is going to feel this way about any game released. In fact, since WoW hit the market, can anyone here name one single MMO which has "made it"? No? That's because you have 12+ million MMO newbies who got into the genre with WoW and who have no other real point of reference. Every MMO they play gets compared to their first love, and fails, be it AION, WAR, DCUO, STO, Champions Online, DDO (until it went F2P), EQ2, Auto Assault...*all...of...them*. It isn't that WoW is such an awesome game, because it's just not. It's a simplified MMO-with-training-wheels which took the genre's best (Everquest, Asheron's Call and DAOC) and made it accessible to the masses with simplified graphics and gameplay. it's just that all these millions of ex-WoWers want all MMOs to be WoW 2.0, and nothing else at all will satisfy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowerslayer Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Your typical gamers nowadays are entitled, self-important, generally immature (at least as far as their public persona goes), unrealistic, and have no idea what they want out of a game. This isn't a troll or "rude behavior", it's just what I notice on a regular basis. Nail. On. Head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esaru Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Nail. On. Head. lol you people are truly unbelievable. because someone doesn't enjoy playing the game anymore, they're immature, entitled spoiled brats? are you actually serious here? get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The exposition pretty much hits the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeimp Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Clearly you didn't even read the article. All the points he makes are valid, completely level-headed and fair. Theyre not level headed at all. They are very biased. Edited February 24, 2012 by Sireene reply to edited post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
souloferdrick Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Its a fair criticism I think. Im the only guy left out of a guild of 15 people who left other games to try our hand here. All of them said pretty much the same thing and there is no shortage of posters who have told the same story. That tells me there must be something to it other than its just the nature of the MMO player-beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkin Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 lol you people are truly unbelievable. because someone doesn't enjoy playing the game anymore, they're immature, entitled spoiled brats? are you actually serious here? get a gripGet a grip? The blogger complains about gear treadmills! I literally facepalmed at that. Welcome to every MMO that has come out in the last 10 years whinning blogger dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSkyywalker Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Move Along, Move Along. SWTOR is better off without all these wow thumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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