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Vadar did not absorb the power that was being directed to him by Palpitine, he died from it shortly after ! If it wasn't for the suit that had been modified to take Force Lighting by Vadar so he could fight a Jedi who used Force lightning , he would have lasted less against Palpitine's power .
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Vadar's power was mostly used to control the suit he wore , it was designed that was so he would not be a threat to Palpitine . In the end Vadar had more Hate after he was disfigured and had to learn how to control it better because of the suit .

 

If Vadar never was disfigured and had more time to learn from the Jedi , he would have been not only the most powerful force user but also know how to use it . His lack of knowledge made him no threat to the Emperor who had many plans to combat anything Vadar did , including Clone Bodies .

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The only time we get to see Vader in action (in the suit that is) is when he's old and out of practice. Nearly all the Jedi had been wiped out long before ESB and he probably just has to intimidate people or force choke them to get them to submit.
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Vadar's entire story is about a Tool in the most true use of the name .

You can go all day in what you think or can debat all day long , in the end he was a tool and never could be anything but . He did nothing but what he was told and what he did on his own the Emperor had already planned for it.

 

TOOL TOOL TOOL

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Even if he couldn't deflect blaster shots with his lightsaber (which he can) his armor could withstand them.

 

In the movie he blocks them with his bare hands and in the game he takes shots withotu any problems.

 

He used the force absorb power to suck up Han's shot at Cloud City, that blast actually made him stronger. He probably also used it to soak up some of Palpatine's lightning which explains how he kept all his implants from frying until he threw him off.

 

But yeah, compared to someone like Ulliq or Exar Kun he was a wuss. For some reason he's received the same ultra ****** treatment as Boba Fett in the expanded universe though, which I never really understood...

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He used the force absorb power to suck up Han's shot at Cloud City, that blast actually made him stronger. He probably also used it to soak up some of Palpatine's lightning which explains how he kept all his implants from frying until he threw him off.

 

But yeah, compared to someone like Ulliq or Exar Kun he was a wuss. For some reason he's received the same ultra ****** treatment as Boba Fett in the expanded universe though, which I never really understood...

 

Man this goes down hill from here lol .

 

Vadar died because of the force lighting he recieved from Palpitine

Vadar did not absorb blaster shots lol , he deflected them . Which can be considered a mighty feat being most Jedi or force users used lightsabers to do that .

 

Again Vadar was a TOOL ! End of line .........................

 

Edite , you do realise that Vadar was mostly machine after ObiWan owned him ? Just checking ....

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Man this goes down hill from here lol .

 

Vadar died because of the force lighting he recieved from Palpitine

Vadar did not absorb blaster shots lol , he deflected them . Which can be considered a mighty feat being most Jedi or force users used lightsabers to do that .

 

Again Vadar was a TOOL ! End of line .........................

 

Edite , you do realise that Vadar was mostly machine after ObiWan owned him ? Just checking ....

 

Yes, but most of the reason he never took on the emperor before that point was that he knew that force lightning would fry his implants, which pretty much not only kept him alive but made him able to move at all... He must have absorbed some of the attack, or he would have dropped like a sack of puppies after the first blast, with a series of tiny pops and sparks signifying all his servomotors burning down to slag.

 

Also, Vader using force absorb on that shot is pretty much considered canon, he even adorns the page with the "Force absorb" power in the D20 RPG...

 

Edit: I also dug this up from the wiki, not exactly a peer reviewed source, but the fact that the line of text has survived this long on the page says something at least: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_absorb

 

"Darth Vader used this ability to absorb Han Solo's shots during their meeting on Cloud City" It's cited to source link 16 on the page.

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Well for those that played Star Wars Battle Front 2 Darth Vader was horrible, but then again so was Yoda. Vader is too bulky. Also, you have to consider that even Darth Sidious wanted to replace Vader after he was defeated on Mustafar and burned. He wanted to recruit a new replacement for Vader. Or at least certain books make it seem that way.

 

 

Battlefront 1, my most feared line

 

"Darth Vader has arrived on the field"

 

 

OH SH**...

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Vadar's entire story is about a Tool in the most true use of the name .

You can go all day in what you think or can debat all day long , in the end he was a tool and never could be anything but . He did nothing but what he was told and what he did on his own the Emperor had already planned for it.

 

TOOL TOOL TOOL

 

And Revan wasn't? Revan was a tool that easily became Vitate's doll. Vitate influenced Revan so much that Revan had to be mind-wiped by the Jedi.

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Eh, I think they could have done a lot better with Darth Vader considering he was supposed to be "the chosen one" to bring balance to the force. Not to mention he had a stronger connection to the force than even Master Yoda. He should have been a lot more powerful than he was and he should certainly have been more powerful than Palpatine.

 

I've never understood this opinion on the "prophesy", he did bring balance to the force. Before him there were many Jedi and few Sith, afterwards the force user numbers were balanced.

 

He would have been much more powerful if he had started training at a younger age, but then he would have been less likely to have turned to the dark side as he wouldn't have had the emotional attachments he formed as a child. He only had something like 12 years of training before being given the rank of master, rather than training for 20 years before earning the knight rank as was the norm.

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"Balance to the Force" has nothing to do with how many force users there are.

 

The force itself basically retaliated to the efforts at the Sith to create life. It created Anakin as a means of destroying the works of Plaguis and Palpatine, who had discovered how to control the Midichlorians.

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I'm just thinking Darth Vader is huge and slow he can't shoot lighting and he can barley move his lightsaber. The only reason he killed the emperor is because he manned up in front of his son and threw THREW not fight THREW him in the pit. Anyone can take vader like that just keep your distance or you'll be on Vaders back.

 

He is stated to have 8/10 of the power of the greatest Sith lord in history (if not the greatest force user seen at this time). He is DARTH VADER how dare you lol

 

Also, do people really think lightning determines force power? There are a few other force abilities...

 

His lightsaber fighting style is a varient of shien, so its gonna be hard aggressive hits rather than the finesse of something like Count Dooku's style.

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Well for those that played Star Wars Battle Front 2 Darth Vader was horrible, but then again so was Yoda. Vader is too bulky. Also, you have to consider that even Darth Sidious wanted to replace Vader after he was defeated on Mustafar and burned. He wanted to recruit a new replacement for Vader. Or at least certain books make it seem that way.

 

Online vader was pretty ripped. I remember rounds where half the ppl where vader, and everyone was getting force pulled, choke, and cut to pieces.

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Quite simply nobody beats Vader in a sword fight. This is a man with enough strength and implants to throw a car at you without the force.

 

If you block a strike from Vader your wrist breaks from the sheer force of the impact against your saber.

 

He could rip your arms off like you were an action figure.

 

And his rage... dear god his rage. No one harbors more hate and anger than Vader.

 

Quite simply nobody is even close to as strong as Vader, and no one else can take hits like Vader can.

 

He is a the very definition of Juggernaut. He is the physical manifestation of the dark side.

 

He is the most recognized, feared, and respected villain in the entire world.

 

He is Darth Vader.

 

He will DESTROY you.

 

Don't you dare forget it.

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Quite simply nobody beats Vader in a sword fight. This is a man with enough strength and implants to throw a car at you without the force.

 

If you block a strike from Vader your wrist breaks from the sheer force of the impact against your saber.

 

He could rip your arms off like you were an action figure.

 

And his rage... dear god his rage. No one harbors more hate and anger than Vader.

 

Quite simply nobody is even close to as strong as Vader, and no one else can take hits like Vader can.

 

He is a the very definition of Juggernaut. He is the physical manifestation of the dark side.

 

He is the most recognized, feared, and respected villain in the entire world.

 

He is Darth Vader.

 

He will DESTROY you.

 

Don't you dare forget it.

 

And yet he gets his *** handed to him by wonder boy and then dies to force lightning.

 

As a matter of fact, LOTS of darksiders that are redeemed seem to die right afterwards... So the light side doesn't seem to be quite as forgiving as the jedi seem to think.

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And yet he gets his *** handed to him by wonder boy and then dies to force lightning.

 

As a matter of fact, LOTS of darksiders that are redeemed seem to die right afterwards... So the light side doesn't seem to be quite as forgiving as the jedi seem to think.

 

really because he was allowed to live on immortally afterwards thanks to the lightside of the force. Something that despite the EU treats like it was candy being that anyone could go out and buy, it was suppose to be rare and un-attainable, George Lucas has been very vocal that in his canon only lightsiders can be force ghosts because darksiders can't let go of their passions and pass into the ghost state.

 

LUKE was every bit of vader's dueling equal because he fought using vader's style, the same mechanic of blows so powerful they could break a limb also were present in his blows which allowed him to battle his father on equal footing. In the End LUKE opened himself to the force and raged much like his father and thus was fighting his father on equal footing, the only difference Vader has less ability to draw upon the force as luke does through his body.

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really because he was allowed to live on immortally afterwards thanks to the lightside of the force. Something that despite the EU treats like it was candy being that anyone could go out and buy, it was suppose to be rare and un-attainable, George Lucas has been very vocal that in his canon only lightsiders can be force ghosts because darksiders can't let go of their passions and pass into the ghost state.

 

LUKE was every bit of vader's dueling equal because he fought using vader's style, the same mechanic of blows so powerful they could break a limb also were present in his blows which allowed him to battle his father on equal footing. In the End LUKE opened himself to the force and raged much like his father and thus was fighting his father on equal footing, the only difference Vader has less ability to draw upon the force as luke does through his body.

 

Ok, so where did Luke learn his style?

Also, if he could use it doesn't that mean that despite Vader's implants that was supposed to grant him superior strength to even that of jedi, anyone can pull off his fighting style as long as they can use the force?

 

On top of that, since Luke drew on the dark side when he hacked his arm off, isn't that a pretty good indication of just how awesome the sith way of channeling really is?

 

You can spend decades of hard work and meditation to get a little bit better, or you can just get pissed off, "Easier and more seductive" indeed.

 

As for how the EU treats the force and dying, the difference between what happens when random Joe lightsider dies and when Yoda passes on is that whether the body disappears or not is probably no indication of the person becoming an actual force ghost. Most lightsiders just become one with the force like any other living thing, they become a part of it and can't (And probably wouldn't want to) manifest or do other stuff like that.

 

Particularly trained or motivated individuals of great strength in the light side like Yoda and Obi-Wan know how to sort of sidestep the issue, they become a part of the force but does not join it fully, which allows them to manifest as ghosts.

 

Take Anakin Solo for example, he literally burns himself out using the light side to keep himself in the fight despite his injuries, he dies a true jedi but he still doesn't even fade away.

 

Darksiders that are powerful enough goes all Alma when they die and keeps their consciousness forcibly separate from the force, basically animating it through constantly drawing on the dark side. They are able to physically interact with the world in various ways but they are more incorporeal undead than true spirits.

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Quite simply nobody beats Vader in a sword fight. This is a man with enough strength and implants to throw a car at you without the force.

 

If you block a strike from Vader your wrist breaks from the sheer force of the impact against your saber.

 

He could rip your arms off like you were an action figure.

 

And his rage... dear god his rage. No one harbors more hate and anger than Vader.

 

Quite simply nobody is even close to as strong as Vader, and no one else can take hits like Vader can.

 

He is a the very definition of Juggernaut. He is the physical manifestation of the dark side.

 

He is the most recognized, feared, and respected villain in the entire world.

 

He is Darth Vader.

 

He will DESTROY you.

 

Don't you dare forget it.

 

This needs to be quoted because it's exactly right.

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It's worth remembering that Vader was very much indeed powerful enough to kill Sidious and replace him as the new emperor. That's why when Luke was confronted by him he offered a chance for his son to rule by his side. Sidious knew this, which is why he wanted Luke to kill his father. There was a deceptive power struggle going on between Vader and his master. I happen to think that if Luke had turned during his first encounter with his father, Vader would have easily defeated Sidious.

 

Vader never quite attained the title of being the most powerful Sith lord ever, but he was certainly capable of becoming such had he not turned back from the dark side.

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