Valsdad Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Not for the illogical it isn't. This is where I give up arguing with you.
SDFX Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 At this point, I have a hard time hating on the players for kill trading even though I think it's wrong, lame, and not fun. I just refuse to participate and leave others to their farming. I blame the development team on this one as there are simply too many design and conceptual flaws with Illium for it to work in a modern game regardless of population balance. Meta-gaming will reap reward on Illium...
nickncf Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 With the current state of Ilum PvP, I, along with many, many others, have zero incentive to do my dailies/weekly the "non-carebear" way. Our server imbalance is insane and the republic group had 14 players in this screenshot. I logged onto a republic toon to check their numbers and they had 24 players on the fleet and 15 in Ilum. Imps, on the other hand, had upwards of 60 players cramping Ilum 1. So before you guys try to reason your way to thinking kill trading is horrible, why don't you consider this: 1) Skill Level- Base fishing/camping/zerging Republic groups versus kill trading requires an equal amount of skill. You click a buff and sit in a raid group. There's no such thing as "earning your kills/valor" in Ilum because no effort was ever necessary. Zero skill is required to be BM valor+ in full BM gear right now. 2) Fun- Base fishing vs. Kill trading.... hmm. Both are boring as hell. 3) Time Consumption- 3+ Hours for the weekly completion vs. 30 minutes. Is this even a question? 4) Incentives/rewards- The incentives would easily outweigh the risks... if there were risks. Check the post on the PvP forums from late January. A GM responds to a petition about kill trading and he says it's "Working as intended". Ilum is a huge joke. Why should any of us condone Bioware's lack of responsibility? Republic toons have no reason to even come to Ilum unless they plan on base fishing. Does this look enticing? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/screenshot2012012617050.jpg/ Kill trade and both factions are rewarded. ________________________________________________________________________ So in the end, Cerberus, who actually didn't stop the kill trade at all (in fact, he and his 3 buddies were continuously destroyed and simply contributed to the Republic's weekly effort), is the only one here being trolled. Bioware is playing a huge joke on him and the rest of the PvP community and he's simply too blind and shortsighted to see that. See you next Tuesday Cerb <3 I like it when people who admit to kill trading try to convince you that it's a completely logical way of dealing with a broken system, and how valor rank doesn't mean anything and it doesn't take any skill to achieve. And then they flaunt their valor rank in their signature. I lol'd.
Pulpp Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Kill trading doesn't matter, it's efficient within the system BW created. Why drag out the process with zerg fights/camping when the goal is still the same? As for the OP, Bio+already BM+no hotkeys+unmoved group bars= scrub hypocrite.
Valsdad Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Kill trading doesn't matter, it's efficient within the system BW created. Why drag out the process with zerg fights/camping when the goal is still the same? As for the OP, Bio+already BM+no hotkeys+unmoved group bars= scrub hypocrite. I thought the goal was PvP? Did I miss a memo that proclaimed otherwise?
Pulpp Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) I thought the goal was PvP? Did I miss a memo that proclaimed otherwise? Illum pvp isn't fun for most people (for a variety of reasons), so no -- the goal for most is dailies/weeklies. Edited February 15, 2012 by Pulpp
SDFX Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 I thought the goal was PvP? Did I miss a memo that proclaimed otherwise? Problem is that for so many players the goal and "fun" is the loot rather than the actual play. As a fightin sort... That kinda kills me inside.
LaManoNera Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 This is hilarious. In any other MMO I played, people caught trading kills or farming one of their own characters would be hunted down mercilessly and tormented endlessly. If you got caught, you'd pretty much have to retire that character. What a great community we have here.
Virbius Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 This is where I give up arguing with you. Because you proved yourself to be illogical? You're missing the point. Ilum is broken and Ilum is not fun for me and many others. Why prolong my daily/weekly completion?
CaptianFordo Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 This is hilarious. In any other MMO I played, people caught trading kills or farming one of their own characters would be hunted down mercilessly and tormented endlessly. If you got caught, you'd pretty much have to retire that character. What a great community we have here. And people get mad when you say the truth; that the people who were banned from Alliance and Horde ended up here. Ha! No truer statement has ever been made. I wish this is how they were dealt with, but the problem is that it's become such a "culture of farming" (pun intended), that change won't come about unless you can find honest people willing to prevent it from happening. I'd like to organize some guilds on my server to crash the party and keep following them all over the map until they give up.
Virbius Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 I like it when people who admit to kill trading try to convince you that it's a completely logical way of dealing with a broken system, and how valor rank doesn't mean anything and it doesn't take any skill to achieve. And then they flaunt their valor rank in their signature. I lol'd. If there was a ranked system right now all of the top guilds would be actively kill trading because Bioware allows it. It increases the gear and valor difference between yourself and others who don't use it. You don't learn to play your character in Ilum; you sit there, buff, and occasionally AOE. If you played wow at the beginning of their dragonsoul release, you'd remember all of the top guilds using a dungeon finder exploit in the first week to get their full tier bonus and outgear the rest of the competitive raiding community. If Blizzard condoned that behavior would they have stopped? **** no. a) Blizzard punished them with a 1 week ban b) Blizzard FIXED THEIR GAME AND THEIR PROBLEM c) Blizzard took away the acquired gear To argue against kill trading you have to be upset that you're not getting the benefits others are getting. Otherwise, why would you care to be commenting on this post? It doesn't involve you. If Bioware says kill trading is "working as intended", then why do you think any kill traders would care about what you have to say?
JediDuckling Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 kill trading is lame and we all know it hes a great pic http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/matthmaroo/fdafeasfesf-1.png i have to agree with you i cant stand exploiting bug abusing morons either. id be happy with a valor rollback even though id lose my battlemaster rank myself and i got it legitly through hard earned pvp not kill trading. roll everyones valor back to rank 50 after the kill trading has been fixed
Acindo Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 I hate traders. I was 6k valor from BM and got asked to trade. Of course I refused then I message my friends to come to Ilum and we rolled the Reps while the other Imps sat back abusing us. The reps had 1-2 more then us but quit after losing a few times aw. I was happy to earn Battlemaster in real open world PvP.
Dreadspectre Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Um...it's a PvP zone. You're going to be "kill on sight" anyway to Republics...do you let red names walk by you? No you do not, you kill them. That being said that is a sadly large number of lamers trading.
Warcranium Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 This whole game is just *********** silly.
RealAeiouy Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Bads kill trade. Keep up the righteous fight op.
maticlandarr Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 With your reasoning why do we even play the game? Who needs better gear? Why progress? You need to realize I'm doing what you're doing... just alot faster. Your opinion doesn't mean anything to me or anyone else. Why do YOU play the game? Seriously i have enough difficulty justifying playing an mmo period. I cant imagine justifying the kind of real hardcore time-wasting that some people are doing when they login. But people are different. And like it or not, killtrade or not, bioware needs to step up and take their share of the blame for this situation.
AJMTL Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 One of the reasons PvP in this game is a joke... A big circle jerk for "1337" gear.
Koopababy Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 I feel blessed my pvp server does none of this. Must be the mentality of the people on those few servers. The things i take for granted. That SS with them all clumped together like tools is hilarous, whats the point of playing, looks more like a job than fun.
Koopababy Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 I like it when people who admit to kill trading try to convince you that it's a completely logical way of dealing with a broken system, and how valor rank doesn't mean anything and it doesn't take any skill to achieve. And then they flaunt their valor rank in their signature. I lol'd. Ya i noticed that as well. Big Balls.
Valsdad Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Because you proved yourself to be illogical? You're missing the point. Ilum is broken and Ilum is not fun for me and many others. Why prolong my daily/weekly completion? I'm sorry, but if you're kill trading; it's you who is missing the point my friend. I can understand how you've come to your conclusion, but I do not agree. When you're debating someone you can't toss about words like illogical without being able to prove the logical fallacy your counterpart is using.
Jarreth Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Don't blame the players- blame the system. Stat padding is annoying, and I don't think you can be truly rid of it. However, a few tweaks to the system (and open world pvp) it could at least be reduced. First step is to make it less lucrative to trade kills... No, you blame the players. They could very easily be actively engaging in PvP. Thirty kills per day, a hundred and fifty kills per week. But they don't want to space it out and do it over time. They want it done as soon as possible so they can have their rewards right now.
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