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Kyanion

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I must admit I have been stumped on what to pick here. I mostly do PvE as PvP is almost totally dead on my server. I have 619 bonus damage, 32.86% crit, 76.13% surge multipler. I was thinking of going with a crit adrenal or a force adrenal. I saw the upcoming changes to surge and I wonder if an adrenal would run into DR.

 

So what do you guys think?

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The issue with the adrenals is the raw magnitude of the stats they give you. 300-600 of any stat is enough to start hitting massive DR, even if you have none on your gear.

 

For example, I have 1575 Willpower, 244 Power, 1210 Force Power, 222 Surge, 449 Crit, and 195 Alacrity in my current gear (finally found a decent source of Power/Surge enhancements, so I can start ditching some of that crit!). That puts me at 681.9 Bonus Damage, 35.18% crit, 79.61% Surge, and 6.41% Alacrity raid buffed.

 

Now let's analyze Force Lightning (with my 13/28 spec) with these changes. Force Lightning has a base 3 second cast time and ticks 4 times for 127.19 + 79% Force Damage Bonus over that period, with a 10% increased crit chance and 12% increased damage from skills (specifically, Calcify and Disintegration). The standard equation I'll be using is:

 

DPCT = [(Base + Coeff*FBonus)*(Modifiers)*(1 + Crit%*Surge%)] / [CastTime*(1 - Alacrity%)]

 

My stats with the various adrenals:

 

Attack: 813.6 Bonus Damage

Critical: 43.92% Crit Chance

Efficacy: 18.24% Activation Speed

Force: 97.92% Crit Multiplier

 

And DPCT calculations:

 

Baseline: [(127.19 + 0.79*681.9)*1.12*(1+0.4518*0.7961] / [3.0 * (1 - .0641)] = 2889.33 DPCT

Attack: [(127.19 + 0.79*813.6)*1.12*(1+0.4518*0.7961] / [3.0 * (1 - .0641)] = 3356.88 DPCT (16.18% increase)

Critical: [(127.19 + 0.79*681.9)*1.12*(1+0.5392*0.7961] / [3.0 * (1 - .0641)] = 3037.18 DPCT (5.12% increase)

Efficacy: [(127.19 + 0.79*681.9)*1.12*(1+0.4518*0.7961] / [3.0 * (1 - .1824)] = 3307.39 DPCT (14.47% increase)

Force: [(127.19 + 0.79*681.9)*1.12*(1+0.4518*0.9792] / [3.0 * (1 - .0641)] = 3065.12 DPCT (6.08% increase)

 

From the above, it's pretty easy to tell that Power is superior. That said, this only accounts for Force Lightning, which is only about 50-55% of your damage as 13/28. Alacrity has no effect on the other 45-50% of your damage (from Deathfield, Crushing Darkness, Affliction, and Chain Lightning, none of which have cast times with this spec). Crit has a larger effect on Deathfield, Crushing Darkness, and Affliction due to the Crit Damage bonus from Creeping Death, but not nearly enough to make up the disparity between the Crit adrenal and the Power one.

 

Basically, the Power adrenal absolutely destroys the other ones in raw benefit. This logic applies to all of the dps specs, and arguably to healing as well (though an argument could be made for the Alacrity adrenal for healers for emergency response healing).

 

Incidentally, this same logic extends to relics.

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Glad to see a well thought out post with some data to sift through!

 

I am running a 7/18/16 build as I don't need a super serious spec right now. I don't enjoy managing force in the deep madness builds. But crit would have less impact for me because I don't have the talents to make my crits do more damage. Yeah I am getting the feeling that my crit is high enough as it is and adrenals wouldn't have great impact. That 10% extra crit chance on Force Lightning means I'm critting a ton so hitting DR will happen quickly.

 

Any thoughts on this upcoming change to surge and how it will change things?

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Any thoughts on this upcoming change to surge and how it will change things?

 

It's gunna hurt a bit, though not as much as some seem to think. At 30% crit raid-buffed and 400 Surge Rating, it's going to be almost exactly a 3% reduction in the raw damage or healing multiplier (ie. a reduction in the multiplier for AvgDmgWithCrits = NonCritDamage * (1 + Crit%*Surge%)), ignoring any effects from talents. This means it can be assumed to be a 2-4% reduction in total raid healing and damage output. The one silver lining is that tanks tend to have less Surge than dps, so they won't get hit as hard, meaning it will be slightly more difficult to pull aggro.

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you want the adrenal of your lowest stat. and power does have DR.

 

Er...no it doesn't. Converts to 0.23 Bonus Damage (0.17 Bonus Healing), period. It's linear.

 

Also, "lowest stat" doesn't always work, because stats don't DR at the same rate. Still, doesn't really matter, Power being linear (and it is) and better than the other stats more or less by default means it's pretty universally the best.

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