Dementza Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I got like hundreds of commendations now (champion ones) Uhmm what? 25 % chance you say Bioware? When the **** are you ACTUALLY going to STOP lying to your customers? You suckers!
Bluetickone Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 its just stupid. what is the point in giving Champ commissions? Every rank 60 valor player is decked out already. They just need to rethink the rewards entirely for 60+ yes some dev mentioned 25 percent, but its pretty obvious they have no clue whats coded into their own game....
mordredz Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I got like hundreds of commendations now (champion ones) Uhmm what? 25 % chance you say Bioware? When the **** are you ACTUALLY going to STOP lying to your customers? You suckers! so you have bad luck? k there fault, every other BM i talk to including me its around 25 if not a lil higher, so grats on having crap luck and blaming others... move along...
Dementza Posted February 10, 2012 Author Posted February 10, 2012 They just want us to keep paying for their *********** game until we are getting our full BM gear ... Do you know how I actually say every *********** day I do my 2 pvp dailies and I get 0 BM comms? 'Tomorrow is a new day' Just to find myself ''tomorrow'' that when I open the BM bag I get CUCU again! Seriously Bioware, I dont mind grinding for gear, I am rank 66 almost now ... it's my choice of doing that and spending hours doing that! But *********** reward us at some POINT? I will prolly get rank 70 soon and still having only 2 pieces of BM gear on?
Illwill- Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 so you have bad luck? k there fault, every other BM i talk to including me its around 25 if not a lil higher, so grats on having crap luck and blaming others... move along... Actually, if you go by statistics, I am pretty sure he has a point. Can't be arsed to do the math due to him not providing exact numbers, but I am willing to bet that it's in the 1% zone. As for "blaming" others. I am soon rank 60 (rank 59, but it takes longer if you don't grind Ilum) and I still wear one centurion piece (changed mods on it though, but still). I have horrible luck and that's why I prefer skill-based systems.
Dementza Posted February 10, 2012 Author Posted February 10, 2012 so you have bad luck? k there fault, every other BM i talk to including me its around 25 if not a lil higher, so grats on having crap luck and blaming others... move along... WoW it seems the entire population of BMs are on your server then right? Go away please! Ofc I am talking about bad luck and actually its about their bloody *********** system! Bioware, Increase the req. commendations for a BM piece and give us 1 BM comm per bag! At least I know that, at SOME POINT, I will actually get my pieces !
Dinokaze Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 At least I know that, at SOME POINT, I will actually get my pieces ! You already know that at some point you will get your pieces. And yes, I've opened about 60 BM bags and have gotten 17 tokens. Maybe you should stop complaining and play the game to have fun. Gear is a means to progress, not a reason to.
Alchropie Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 why the hell are you still here? Go back to WoW if you hate this game so much. Every post of yours is bashing the game. go. away.
ErrantMercenary Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I got like hundreds of commendations now (champion ones) Uhmm what? 25 % chance you say Bioware? When the **** are you ACTUALLY going to STOP lying to your customers? You suckers! Pro tip: You as an individual are not a statistically significant case. For every thread that gripes "Oh nooooo I haven't seen any BM commendations. This CLEARLY isn't 25%" please remember, that someone who has exceptional luck with Battlemaster bags and sees >25% success rates has no incentive to come here in this troll-infested toxic hate-fuled rage engine of a forum and mention it to anyone. To give you some perspective on the matter, this game has a listed ~1.7 million active subscriptions. Let's say only half of those people PvP. Of the 850,000 remaining participants, let's say 5% of them are Battlemasters. That's 42,500 people. You can generate 16 bags a week, so let's play conservative and assume everyone has been garnering Battlemaster bags for an average of two weeks, or a total opened of 32. That's 1.36 million Battlemaster bags opened. Your 20 bags constitutes 0.0015% of the statistical pool. Or in other words, this would be equivalent to losing 1/1000th of ONE coin toss if you were to flip the coin 100 times.
alement Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I have to side with the OP on this one. It's a bit of a grind to get to Valor 60, only to have a chance to get a Battlemaster commendation. I'm not a fan of RNG at all, as an empty bag isn't rewarding me for spending 3 hours to complete a Daily quest.
ForceWelder Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I am one of those valor level 60 guys who couldn't get a BM commendation if their life depended on it. To be frank, the champion commendations are worthless to me. I had all that gear long before I hit 60. And with the new changes with champion bags, so will everyone else coming up in ranks. Offering something we all already have is pointless and shows a disconnect with your player base. No, changes do need to happen with Battlemaster bags. It is frustrating as hell the amount of play time I have to do just to get 3 wins in warzones and then I only get more frustrated when I pop the bag only to get more champion garbage commendations.
ComeAndSee Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I got my first BM comm after 18 bags... now I get 1 a day.
Ryotknife Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I got like hundreds of commendations now (champion ones) Uhmm what? 25 % chance you say Bioware? When the **** are you ACTUALLY going to STOP lying to your customers? You suckers! technically that could be bad luck. im sure someone can post what the odds are, its been too long since ive graduated from school to remember how to do that stuff.
snakester Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I got like hundreds of commendations now (champion ones) Uhmm what? 25 % chance you say Bioware? When the **** are you ACTUALLY going to STOP lying to your customers? You suckers! The first thing you have to understand is "chance" 25% chance does not mean you are going to get 25 out of every 100. It means you have a 25% chance every single time to possibly get one.
Ryotknife Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I am one of those valor level 60 guys who couldn't get a BM commendation if their life depended on it. To be frank, the champion commendations are worthless to me. I had all that gear long before I hit 60. And with the new changes with champion bags, so will everyone else coming up in ranks. Offering something we all already have is pointless and shows a disconnect with your player base. No, changes do need to happen with Battlemaster bags. It is frustrating as hell the amount of play time I have to do just to get 3 wins in warzones and then I only get more frustrated when I pop the bag only to get more champion garbage commendations. would be nice if you could spend champ commendations on items like rare crafting mats or epic modifications (and make them expensive to buy)
Ryotknife Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The first thing you have to understand is "chance" 25% chance does not mean you are going to get 25 out of every 100. It means you have a 25% chance every single time to possibly get one. well, it does mean that on average you should get 25 out of 100 given a massive sample size (say millions of bags opened)
Dementza Posted February 10, 2012 Author Posted February 10, 2012 The first thing you have to understand is "chance" 25% chance does not mean you are going to get 25 out of every 100. It means you have a 25% chance every single time to possibly get one. I dont think this is actually accurate! From what you are saying, it means that 25 % chance for EVERY bag that will be opened = an actually HIGHER rate of a drop. It doesn't feel that way so far!
SynapseX Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Valor rank 67 here (dont farm ilum for valor either, its all warzones) and ive gotten 8 bm bag tokens since v60, doing the daily and weeklies every single day since I hit 50.
Aharx Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I look at it both ways. Sure the chances seem a little low sometimes. They could be a little better. But then I see lots of fully geared BM's who complain that they don't have any new gear to acquire. You need some form of balance. I only recently started my PVP gear quest. I have opened 10 Champion Bags so far and have been quite lucky so far. First 2 were nothing, the five after that I got five different champion pieces, the last three were just commendations which I then used to purchase one piece of Centurion gear. It gives me a means to play though. I could care less how long it takes to get fully geared to be honest. I am at rank 28 for Valor now and I will probably be in full Champion by the time I hit 60 Valor (I am hoping). So as I said, it goes hand in hand. People will complain that it takes too long... but then those same people will just end up complaining that there is no new gear for them to acquire at max rank.
Baitling Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) technically that could be bad luck. im sure someone can post what the odds are, its been too long since ive graduated from school to remember how to do that stuff. I believe that the odds of getting zilch 20 times in a row on a 25% individual chance are roughly 0.0000000000001%... (1 in a trillion) Not zero, but very, very improbable... Again, if the numbers that we were given are actually correct... Edited February 10, 2012 by Baitling
AstralProjection Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Actually, if you go by statistics, I am pretty sure he has a point. Can't be arsed to do the math due to him not providing exact numbers, but I am willing to bet that it's in the 1% zone. As for "blaming" others. I am soon rank 60 (rank 59, but it takes longer if you don't grind Ilum) and I still wear one centurion piece (changed mods on it though, but still). I have horrible luck and that's why I prefer skill-based systems. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the probability of what happened to him is closer to three tenths of a percent, so three in every thousand people, if the drop rate is really 25%. With over a million people playing the game is it possible for some people's luck to suck that bad? Absolutely. In fact, it's would've happened to over 5,000 people assuming the whole game's population opened 20 BM bags. People just don't get probability. BioWare's not messing anything up. Some of us just don't have good luck (myself included, at least prior to the patch), and so we feel like we're getting screwed. That's why we hate the RNG to begin with in the bag system. I just don't get why they'd take out the RNG factor for one tier and not the other, short of dragging the grind out for high levels, which is the more obvious answer, and arguably (?) justifiable. Some would say that the highest tier gear should always be very hard to get, or it's pointless. But yeah, I'd probably be mad too if I got nothing out of 20 bags and was told it was a 25% drop rate. Edited February 10, 2012 by AstralProjection
Fdzzaigl Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 its just stupid. what is the point in giving Champ commissions? Every rank 60 valor player is decked out already. They just need to rethink the rewards entirely for 60+ yes some dev mentioned 25 percent, but its pretty obvious they have no clue whats coded into their own game.... I personally won't mind a DPS offset, playing a tank, close to hitting BM.
Antidentite Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 could just be luck, but i've had a lot more success since they changed the bags...makes me think they ninja'd a buff to them to boost drop rate, while claiming it was 25% all along.
ErrantMercenary Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) I believe that the odds of getting zilch 20 times in a row on a 25% individual chance are roughly 0.0000000000001%... (1 in a trillion) Not zero, but very, very improbable... Again, if the numbers that we were given are actually correct... Math still wins out here, you're just using statistics the way marketers do: Skewing it to your cause. See the front page for my exact math, but even assuming a conservative sample size of less than 1.4 million Battlemaster bags opened, you could still take EVERY thread on this forum complaining about the drop rate, COMBINE their bags opened and still end up with less than 1% of the statistical test pool. You HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO remember that as an individual in a game with millions of subscribers, you ARE NOT a statistically significant test case. Furthermore, someone who has incredible success with Battlemaster bags, or even slightly above average success, has no incentive to come on the forums and report it because all they would be greeted with is "Grats you lucky bastard, Ess tee eff you and gee tee eff oh". Stop believing in skew, and do the math right and proper. Edited February 10, 2012 by ErrantMercenary
Aharx Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 There is a 25% chance that you will get a BM Token. It is still a chance... whether it is 25% or 99%. It is entirely possible (however unlucky or unfair it may seem to you) that you have just been getting a 75% rate of failure every single time. As with any chance there is a negative. It happens. It is also possible that you will always get the 75% fail rate instead of the 25% success rate. That is the issue when dealing with chances. Who knows... you could go into a great success streak where you open 10 bags and get the 25% rate each time. Just got to keep trying.
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