ThinkIdentical Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I am not. And I could care less about getting Battlemaster. I have two characters that are about rank 35, and I am not concerned about getting BM in the least - because I know if I keep playing, I will eventually get it. All I have to do is put in the time. It's just a grind, and it's the worst possible kind of grind, because it's meaningless. Everyone that plays will eventually get it. There's no consequence for losing. Consider this: When WoW released their "warzones" there was a rank grind. And let me tell you, it was an incredible time sink. The amount of time you had to put in to get Grand Marshal or High Warlord was insane (I never achieved either). But when I saw people with those titles, I WAS FREAKING AMAZED. It was an impressive feat, IMO, that people had the determination to play that much. The difference is, if you didn't play games, you LOST RANKING. There was a consequence to not playing. It made the rank meaningful. Sure, you could say everyone that got GM was some basement-dwelling loser with WAY too much time on his hands. I didn't like the rank grind back then, it was way too hardcore for me, and I think the current RBG ranking system is a lot more fair to us non-basement dwellers. But at least it meant something. What frustrates me is, that was Warcraft's first iteration of battleground ranking - and it's better than this system! All of the polish that has gone into their system should not have been lost here. Surely there are some people at Bioware that play WoW.
Amp_ Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 It's just a gear gate grind mechanic to slow progression. I wouldn't take it as some kind of measure of experience or skill rank. I think you're reading into its intention a little too much.
arteous Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 but after you got your rank you could keep the title so you din't care .. you bought your gear when you dinged GM/HW and helped your group grind it back out for the next person while you had your title. I'm sure we'll see something simmilar to this when they revamp the whole ranking and pvp gearing system. right now it's bandaided to hell and back till they can really focus on fixing it.
cashogy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 its not like battlemaster takes much effort to get anyways. i play an hour or so a night max, and i got battlemaster about 2 weeks ago now. i am hoping that with whatever ranking system that bioware adds in, it takes into account losses. you should be ranked poorly if you perform poorly
Makar Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 its not like battlemaster takes much effort to get anyways. i play an hour or so a night max, and i got battlemaster about 2 weeks ago now. i am hoping that with whatever ranking system that bioware adds in, it takes into account losses. you should be ranked poorly if you perform poorly An hour of kill trading and valor exploits is profitable I hear.
Orangerascal Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 you could have changes the title to: You've got 2 level 50's? I'm not impressed here's why: and still conveyed the same message. . . . I really don't understand why people have a need to post these kind of threads.
LanceUpercutt Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 create leaderboards and give top 10 title
cashogy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 An hour of kill trading and valor exploits is profitable I hear. i wouldnt know, i havent kill traded or participated in the valor exploits. if you started playing day 1 of early access, it is completely possible to hit battlemaster as a casual player if you spend the majority of your playtime PvPing
Elmahra Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) No, really? Any loser who brags about his PvP rank in this game is really just saying out loud that he doesn't care about skill in PvP or at least hasn't played real PvP in MMOs because the PvP in this game is a) a joke, and b) completely based on grinding. Most of the people who play MMOs SUCK. Guess what players do in this game? Guess what the Battlemasters do in this game? Yep, they SUCK. Anyone who brags about grinding mindlessly is a noob. You don't go running around bragging that you farmed nodes all day (takes more skill than PvP IMO). So why do you put your Valor ranks in your forum sigs? It can only be because you think getting it is some sort of significant achievement. Well grats on farming lots of nodes. I really can't believe how lifeless some people are when it comes to PvP. If it isn't really fun and really competitive, I can't spend time on it at all. How you guys grind the PvE that this game calls PvP and then feel cool about it makes me wonder how badly some people need to feel like they're good at something. Edited February 10, 2012 by Elmahra
Makar Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 i wouldnt know, i havent kill traded or participated in the valor exploits. if you started playing day 1 of early access, it is completely possible to hit battlemaster as a casual player if you spend the majority of your playtime PvPing Not really with only an hour of PVP a day... NOW if you PVPd exclusively to level, and then just recently started playing an hour a day... maybe. But I'm more inclined to think you're one of the mindless zerg.
Doozzer Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I don't understand your contradictory attitude. First, you say that you respect high warlords/grand marshals. Then you accuse them of being basement dwellers because of their time investment, and then you say that their achievement has value because in order for the basement dweller to keep it, he has to stay in the basement. So, if I hit my hand with a hammer, would you respect me for living with the pain? Then when the bones began to mend, I would hit my hand again to keep myself in agony. For this you would respect me, and then turn around and call me stupid for inflicting meaningless pain upon myself? Which one is it? You either consider it an achievement or you don't. Who cares if Battlemaster is a foregone conclusion? Why do you assign merit to someone who is a 'basement dweller' but then convince yourself that you don't? That's asinine. The rank 14 honor grind was an archaic, stupid, and punishing system that lacked transparency and rewarded time over effort. There's a reason it doesn't exist anymore, and any developer would be stupid to resurrect it.
Zutha Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 So what you are saying is: People who put in the time rather than people who are the best should get the good stuff? I'll tell you this right now, I can confidently say I'm a good player and far above what I deem is an average player, but by having a life and a job it'll take me a god awful time to get BM. In your eyes I deserve to get nothing I'll look forward to you entering the real world
laslaya Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 its not like battlemaster takes much effort to get anyways. i play an hour or so a night max, and i got battlemaster about 2 weeks ago now. i am hoping that with whatever ranking system that bioware adds in, it takes into account losses. you should be ranked poorly if you perform poorly You play an hour max a night, and you've A. managed to get to 50 and B. managed to get BM TWO WEEKs ago? If you're going to lie, don't make it so obvious.
cashogy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Not really with only an hour of PVP a day... NOW if you PVPd exclusively to level, and then just recently started playing an hour a day... maybe. But I'm more inclined to think you're one of the mindless zerg. i pretty much leveled off of pvp and my class quest. and i only have a few hours tops every day if that to play, and i enjoy pvp the best. one of bioware's better decisions in this game was allow us to level using whatever playstyle we prefered best
Zethlis Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) its not like battlemaster takes much effort to get anyways. i play an hour or so a night max, and i got battlemaster about 2 weeks ago now. i am hoping that with whatever ranking system that bioware adds in, it takes into account losses. you should be ranked poorly if you perform poorly This. Not so much losses though, but overall performance (medals, KDR, damage, healing, etc.) because I've lost A LOT of matches due to a HORRENDOUS team. Edited February 10, 2012 by Zethlis
ThinkIdentical Posted February 10, 2012 Author Posted February 10, 2012 I don't understand your contradictory attitude. Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison were both great artists. I am amazed when I listen to their music. But I could fault them for a host of other reasons, and they paid a price for those faults. Getting rank 14 is impressive. I can find fault in it, but I am still impressed that people actually achieved it. The rank 14 honor grind was an archaic, stupid, and punishing system that lacked transparency and rewarded time over effort. There's a reason it doesn't exist anymore, and any developer would be stupid to resurrect it. Except they did resurrect it. In SWTOR. I'm equating getting to R100 with getting to R14 in vanilla WoW. It's just a time sink. EXCEPT here, it's meaningless. The point of my rant was this: WoW has gone through several iterations of battleground ranking. Why didn't BW pay attention and learn from the good and the bad?
Katharsis Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Correction to owner of thread ; No you were not loosin ranks at wow , it was only for highest rank race and once you reach it you were stay at that rank. Rest of rank grind prety much same with Swtor .
Makar Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Correction to owner of thread ; No you were not loosin ranks at wow , it was only for highest rank race and once you reach it you were stay at that rank. Rest of rank grind prety much same with Swtor . The original WoW's rank grind had you competing with other people, if you didn't get enough honor to stay at your rank or progress, it was possible to lose rank.
Crujido Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Rank 35 valor is like a full day of pvp once. Why are we taking your pvp opinion seriously if you barely pvp with that kind of valor?
Archendrus Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I'm not terribly impressed with any accomplishments in this game. It's like, what, two months after release? So many people have already "finished" the game.
Badlander Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Rated WZ's are coming. It has already been said in an interview. I would think you would want the best gear you can get for pvp before they arrive.
Sky_walkerPL Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Ever since they implemented Ilum valor gains - the Battlemaster title become meaningless. 1 week of doing battles on Ilum every day and you are as much set up for battlemaster as possible. Currently the Valor per minute you get there is insane. Insane is also a fact that all the valor exploiters on bugged ilum NEVER were punished.
Carbonated Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Most people that got GM/HW in wow had multiple people playing the account. If breaking the rules is meaningful the I'm afraid MMO's should be destroyed.
Zilvafein Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Consider this: When WoW released their "warzones" there was a rank grind. And let me tell you, it was an incredible time sink. The amount of time you had to put in to get Grand Marshal or High Warlord was insane (I never achieved either). But when I saw people with those titles, I WAS FREAKING AMAZED. It was an impressive feat, IMO, that people had the determination to play that much. The difference is, if you didn't play games, you LOST RANKING. There was a consequence to not playing. It made the rank meaningful. The consequence was that unless you did'nt have a job, or did'nt take your study/school seriously, you could'nt get the rank. It was an abysmal system and a horrible design philosophy. I played during that one too, got the rank "sergeant major" and thats about how much I bothered with that horrible, horrible idea of a system. And it did'nt require skill back then to get the title either, it simply required that you spent a lot of time on this. As such it was as meaningless as the title you complain about, in fact, moreso, because it meant that this was an example of a player who had spent so much time repeating the same thing, over and over again, that it could have been spent far better elsewhere. If anything BW's present system is leaning too much towards the same faulthy philosophy of spending a lot of time on meaningless repetition, but its far superior to the version you had in the original introduction of the BG's in wow. As for rated warzones carrying titles? Sure, if the game gets popular enough, but right now there are enough things stopping that, as well as enough things stopping "serious" PvP. The lag each time a new figure is loaded for example (if you don't know what I mean, go to your ship, put autowalk on, open your backpack while walking. nothice the split second lag? Thats a scripting faulth -until such issues are fixed you'll see limited competition). Regards
Ewgal Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Well, it depends and I don't agree with OP. It does take some effort and dedication to get to BM and beyond even if you are fortunate enough to be playing for the larger faction (IMPERIAL) and control Ilum most of the time. If you are BM on the smaller faction (republic) then you really do have stellar dedication to get their as all the cards are stacked against you in terms of faction numbers and control of Ilum. Edited February 10, 2012 by Ewgal
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