Damidos Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ok heres my idea. If for example bounty hunter reaches level 50 and has max light side points he could get a option to defect to the republic, and be a bounty hunter for the republic. Or if say a smuggler or jedi knight reached 50 with max dark side they could defect to the empire. each class could get a chain quest for this, a Redemption quest line for light side sith or agent would be epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alundo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ok heres my idea. If for example bounty hunter reaches level 50 and has max light side points he could get a option to defect... No. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 so your epic idea is a faction swap? Based on light side / dark side meter? You Sir are a maverick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokosan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 what's that about being able to /dance from your mount? cool thread bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokosan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 OH OH OH! /ghostride now theres an epic idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivus Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Republic != light Empire != dark playing through the bounty hunter storyline you'd know there are corrupt jedi, and in some ways the republic is every bit as bad as the empire, in some ways the empire is better than the republic. Knowing the history, and from playing a jedi you'd know dark jedi exist within the republic and flirt with the darkside to pursue strength to fight against the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voffi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is not the first time we see this "Epic idea", and i think biowares stance on this has always been no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khemizt Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ok heres my idea. If for example bounty hunter reaches level 50 and has max light side points he could get a option to defect to the republic, and be a bounty hunter for the republic. Or if say a smuggler or jedi knight reached 50 with max dark side they could defect to the empire. each class could get a chain quest for this, a Redemption quest line for light side sith or agent would be epic. I actually thought this is how the game would play out when i first started, if you went dark side you obviously became imp and if you went light side your republic as this is how the movies worked or what i seen of them at least (I'm very limited on SW Lore), and when I first logged on I was disappointed that I had to choose my faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublek Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ok heres my idea. If for example bounty hunter reaches level 50 and has max light side points he could get a option to defect to the republic, and be a bounty hunter for the republic. Or if say a smuggler or jedi knight reached 50 with max dark side they could defect to the empire. each class could get a chain quest for this, a Redemption quest line for light side sith or agent would be epic. I don't think it's all bad. How about, if you are to be allowed to faction swap, swap into the opposite faction's mirror class? Give a one and only chance that can be executed anytime when you're level 50? Might solve some of the faction population imbalance-ness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerda Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I found the only way I could bare to level a Jedi was to make her evil so I wouldn't really want to defect to the dark side so to speak as I've already got one at max doing that role already. I'm not sure this would really help the whole server imbalance problem either. Yes those moving to the Republic side but all those who moved to the Imperial side would just be exacerbating the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alohen Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 what's that about being able to /dance from your mount? cool thread bro LMAO Made me Laugh. Good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadricTycho Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Republic != light Empire != dark playing through the bounty hunter storyline you'd know there are corrupt jedi, and in some ways the republic is every bit as bad as the empire, in some ways the empire is better than the republic. Knowing the history, and from playing a jedi you'd know dark jedi exist within the republic and flirt with the darkside to pursue strength to fight against the Sith. While I am in agreement with most who responded to the OP in this thread, I think the points you made above are quite wrong. There is a difference between being good but having some evil elements, and being evil and having some good elements. The Sith Empire is controlled by the Dark Council who are at their core intrinsically evil. The Empire may have a few rebel good folks, but these are often squashed by the Council. The Republic values are aligned with Jedi values of peace and compassion. There are evil folks within their ranks, but the Republic often seeks justice against these people. What your post suggests is that all values are relative and that neither side is intrinsically evil or good. I am pretty sure that George Lucas would disagree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Althought imo there is a difference between Sith and Jedi I wouldn't go so far to call one evil and one good. Think of the civilians of the Empire that are just ordinary people, some of their family go to war to protect their people just like the other side. There is light and darkness on both sides. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malderak Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah, real original thinking here, nobody ever posted a thread with an idea like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minikara Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I see alot of people just directly bashing the idea with no real reason. I agree with him, and given the first 3 movies what he suggests coincides with what they did in their own lore. Example: Anakin, the most known case. He was a Jedi, if you look now at the movies after playing the game you can almost imagine him having the light/dark choises at every decision he had to do. And every time he chose dark, only to be recruited and become imperial at the end (coinciding to when he would be max dark). It wouldn't be so horrible that at the end, when you reached max dark or max light you get an extra quest, where someone comes and tries to recruit you to the other side, there you would make a choise if you really want to go to other side or stick to the one you are already in. Also, even if many people have already suggested it, it's no reason to bash someone just because it made sense in their head. Suggestion forums are for this, even if multiple times the same things have been suggested. It doesn't hurt anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRyll Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 "Luke, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." While I love the idea of a faction swap, if it was open and available to any player, even if it depended on your light/dark alignment, I think it would kill some servers. With the large faction imbalances, I think a lot of the under represented side would swap. Yes there would be the die hards that wouldn't switch no matter what, but the average player is most likely not that concerned with side as long as there are others around to play with. Now because of the imbalances, I think there should be some sort of rebellion quest line added to allow members of the larger faction to switch over for free. It would have to be restricted to either max level characters or characters who had completed their class quests, because I am not sure how easy it would be to translate your point in your story to the other side's story. The other major hurdles would be companions, and non-Force Users and their weapon options. I think it would be awkward to just lose all your companions and get a group of new ones, but I am not sure you could keep your originals, especially one such as Khem Val for the Inquisitor. I could see some companions defecting with you, but others not so much. As for non-Force Users and their weapon options, this I could see going either way, but I think it would be better for an Imperial Agent to become a Republic Agent and keep their weapon choice as opposed to all of a sudden they are a Smuggler with pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raximillian Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Republic != light Empire != dark playing through the bounty hunter storyline you'd know there are corrupt jedi, and in some ways the republic is every bit as bad as the empire, in some ways the empire is better than the republic. Knowing the history, and from playing a jedi you'd know dark jedi exist within the republic and flirt with the darkside to pursue strength to fight against the Sith. This... Republic are not the "good" guys, and the empire are not the "bad" guys. So the OPs idea makes little sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jxspyder Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) While I am in agreement with most who responded to the OP in this thread, I think the points you made above are quite wrong. There is a difference between being good but having some evil elements, and being evil and having some good elements. The Sith Empire is controlled by the Dark Council who are at their core intrinsically evil. The Empire may have a few rebel good folks, but these are often squashed by the Council. The Republic values are aligned with Jedi values of peace and compassion. There are evil folks within their ranks, but the Republic often seeks justice against these people. What your post suggests is that all values are relative and that neither side is intrinsically evil or good. I am pretty sure that George Lucas would disagree with you there. They are? You've pretty clearly not played the Trooper story, the Jedi Knight story, the Sith Warrior story, the Imp. Agent story.......actually, have you played any of them? Neither faction is intrinsically good or evil. Because both factions have bits of both good and evil within them. And while there is an overall tone of good or evil within the faction, it's absolutely not all-encompassing. As for the "epic idea" of faction swap? No. Edited February 2, 2012 by Jxspyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadricTycho Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 So you are telling me that the Dark Council has a bunch of good guys on it? Or that the Jedi Council has a bunch of bad guys? I am talking about their core positions, not the whims or actions of individuals. I have played Sith Warrior, Sith Sorceror, and Sniper to level 50. I have played a few republic toons into their 20s. I do not have to see every storyline in the game to know what the movies themselves taught about the two factions and what the game has carried forward. Republic desires peace, Empire desires war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frigidman Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Republic desires peace, Empire desires war. I just desire credits, and will work for whoever pays the most. Why is there not a faction for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va_wanderer Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ok heres my idea. If for example bounty hunter reaches level 50 and has max light side points he could get a option to defect to the republic, and be a bounty hunter for the republic. Or if say a smuggler or jedi knight reached 50 with max dark side they could defect to the empire. each class could get a chain quest for this, a Redemption quest line for light side sith or agent would be epic. Oh, you haven't played a Trooper yet, have you? You don't want to be a defecting Empire type. It's not pretty, ask Elara Dorne. You don't want to be a defecting Republic type either, it's pretty blatant what the Empire does then. Use you and lose you, but trust you? Forget about it. And LS/DS isn't a mirror to Republic/Empire in any case. It just feels more "natural" in a lot of cases- but I've done fine chugging along on my Sorcerer picking up LS points left and right, even on Korriban at the beginning. You don't have to be a jerk in the Empire, it's just a potential job perk if you want it. You want alignments to matter, have companions that require LS/DS (or neither!) for use. If you don't qualify, the companion is greyed out (won't work with you) for everything until you once again meet their expectations. Of course, this probably means we need more companion choices than the basic storyline ones. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordarn Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The panda idea has come already NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonnn Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Republic != light Empire != dark playing through the bounty hunter storyline you'd know there are corrupt jedi, and in some ways the republic is every bit as bad as the empire, in some ways the empire is better than the republic. Knowing the history, and from playing a jedi you'd know dark jedi exist within the republic and flirt with the darkside to pursue strength to fight against the Sith. Ok well I don't know if you re-read your post, it seems to me that you actually agreed with the idea that Republic=light, Empire=dark, which you have basically agreed that those are in fact the base characteristics and the guiding principles of each group. Any formal group is defined by its guiding principles rather than by any members of that group who falsely present themselves and do not actually adhere to the guiding principles. It's called Idealism... adhering to a set of principles with the faith that the principles themselves are of the highest priority, and that adhering to the principles results in both noticeable and unnoticeable benefits predicted by the people(s) who originated the principles in the first place. The Republic is guided by good principles, while the Empire is guided by evil principles. One of the principles of the Republic (particularly of the Jedi order) is that true strength is not found in dark side crafts. Even setting that issue aside, I think Imperial characters able to defect to the Republic sounds like an awesome idea, it would most definitely make for an interesting environment for the first several months that defection was possible. Sith warriors running around Carrick Station? lol i hear they make a mean veggie omelette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jxspyder Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 So you are telling me that the Dark Council has a bunch of good guys on it? Or that the Jedi Council has a bunch of bad guys? I am talking about their core positions, not the whims or actions of individuals. I have played Sith Warrior, Sith Sorceror, and Sniper to level 50. I have played a few republic toons into their 20s. I do not have to see every storyline in the game to know what the movies themselves taught about the two factions and what the game has carried forward. Republic desires peace, Empire desires war. When did the Jedi Council become the Republic? The whims and actions of individuals affect the core position. Especially individuals who are in positions of power. So while, again, there is an overall theme to the factions as a whole, with the republic being generally good and the Empire being generally evil, you simply can't make absolute statements. The Republic desires peace...except for the Dark Jedi, corrupt politicians, and ruthless generals who don't desire peace, but rather the eradication of the Sith through any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandan Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I don't think it's all bad. How about, if you are to be allowed to faction swap, swap into the opposite faction's mirror class? Give a one and only chance that can be executed anytime when you're level 50? I have one problem with this: the story wouldn't make sense in some cases, such as how could you have been a slave if just before you were a Jedi Consular? Also, if I'm interpreting this wrong, can anyone tell me what reason there is for changing sides if not for story? To experience any of this properly, wouldn't a level cap increase be involved? Would there be anything to separate the defectors and the others? Would you keep anything, such as items, abilities, companions? Or would you completely start over - powers and all - from level 1, only maintaining your appearance? I just think that (unless I'm thinking about this wrong) faction swapping would be difficult to implement, and the same effect could be achieved by making an identical character on the other side with a slightly different name. Edited February 23, 2012 by gandan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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