PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 "The number of commendations in Champion and Battlemaster Bags has been greatly increased, and the direct item trade tokens appear less frequently in Champion Bags. This change allows players to obtain PvP gear at a steady and significantly more predictable rate with an occasional bonus." This is a early April fools joke right? I do the dailies and weeklies and turn in all my points for bags as it is and usually 90% of the time already get commendations and when I dont get commendations, I get doubles. This is what I have so far Head-7 Chest-5 Gloves-1 Belt-2 Legs-4 Boots-1 Bracers-0 MH-0 OH-0 Relic-6 Implant-4 Earpiece-0 And they are talking about nerfing champ bags and even nerfing pvp armor in general makes me think they dont want people to pvp at all at this rate. This coupled with the Biochem nerf really makes me doubt how long they are going to keep people playing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersloup Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If they really wanted to reduce RNG with pvp gear they would simply add centurion bags. Rank 1-30 -> blue pvp gear 30-44 -> Centurion bags 45-59 -> Champion bags 60+ Battlemaster bags (you can now buy BM bag instead of being limited to 2 a day) Centurion bags give centurion commendations Champion bags give champion commendations Battlemaster bags give battlemaster commendations [insert ammount of commendations per bag here] Each bags cost 150/150. blue pvp gear cost something like 100/100 per piece Dailys offer one centurion/champion/BM bag (you depending on your rank) This may not be the best solution ever but it would get rid of RNG and allow people to get pvp gear at a steady rate and allow for some gear progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Well that def sounds like a step in the right direction other then this crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasukua Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) where does it actually refer to, from BW what you are speaking of. I'd just like to see their post about it Edited February 2, 2012 by Kasukua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragiel Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If they really wanted to reduce RNG with pvp gear they would simply add centurion bags. Rank 1-30 -> blue pvp gear 30-44 -> Centurion bags 45-59 -> Champion bags 60+ Battlemaster bags (you can now buy BM bag instead of being limited to 2 a day) Centurion bags give centurion commendations Champion bags give champion commendations Battlemaster bags give battlemaster commendations [insert ammount of commendations per bag here] Each bags cost 150/150. blue pvp gear cost something like 100/100 per piece Dailys offer one centurion/champion/BM bag (you depending on your rank) This may not be the best solution ever but it would get rid of RNG and allow people to get pvp gear at a steady rate and allow for some gear progression. this is actually concept that could work... Hell, im getting champs comendations from Battlemaster bag? ***.. im looking for battlemaster gear, not champion.. same with champs vs. centurion.. just do it as vas quoted and enjoy.. you have happy players from now on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediDuckling Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 the game is going to fail at this rate bioware i realy had high hopes for them but now im begining to lack faith in them in genral :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediDuckling Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If they really wanted to reduce RNG with pvp gear they would simply add centurion bags. Rank 1-30 -> blue pvp gear 30-44 -> Centurion bags 45-59 -> Champion bags 60+ Battlemaster bags (you can now buy BM bag instead of being limited to 2 a day) Centurion bags give centurion commendations Champion bags give champion commendations Battlemaster bags give battlemaster commendations [insert ammount of commendations per bag here] Each bags cost 150/150. blue pvp gear cost something like 100/100 per piece Dailys offer one centurion/champion/BM bag (you depending on your rank) This may not be the best solution ever but it would get rid of RNG and allow people to get pvp gear at a steady rate and allow for some gear progression. i already came up with something like this ages ago and kept bumping the thread nothing was taken in it seems. ii dont think bioware actualy read the forums at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patatt Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If they really wanted to reduce RNG with pvp gear they would simply add centurion bags. Rank 1-30 -> blue pvp gear 30-44 -> Centurion bags 45-59 -> Champion bags 60+ Battlemaster bags (you can now buy BM bag instead of being limited to 2 a day) Centurion bags give centurion commendations Champion bags give champion commendations Battlemaster bags give battlemaster commendations [insert ammount of commendations per bag here] Each bags cost 150/150. blue pvp gear cost something like 100/100 per piece Dailys offer one centurion/champion/BM bag (you depending on your rank) This may not be the best solution ever but it would get rid of RNG and allow people to get pvp gear at a steady rate and allow for some gear progression. This is THE best solution I have seen to this problem yet. The ability to accrue pvp gear PRE level 50 (with expertise, mind you), would make for a much diminished gap between those with BM gear and those without. If I could pick up expertise gear starting at level 30, I wouldn't be dreading hitting 50 and having to actually begin the 10 valor level grind. As it stands now, the 1-49 bracket it actually fun, and is the reason why I'm keeping my character valor capped until I can begin to grind out the BM valor rank at lvl 50. This shouldn't be how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartes Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 yeah, this puzzles me why I pick centurion comms from champion bags anyway. I am way past Centurion I need champion. I have like 200+ centurion comms and with the rate I am getting doubles from champ bags I don't even spend it to buy gear for my companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patatt Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 i already came up with something like this ages ago and kept bumping the thread nothing was taken in it seems. ii dont think bioware actualy read the forums at all. You mighta been before your time... =P We've reached that 1 month point where it's become obvious a change needs to be made, and more people overall can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 the game is going to fail at this rate bioware i realy had high hopes for them but now im begining to lack faith in them in genral :/ ^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alter- Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Look on the bright side, Guild Wars 2 will be out in not long. Cant wait to do some proper PvP again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchyslick Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 So I have to wait until valor 60 now to have a good chance at champion gear? *** is up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 So now from Valor 1-60 you will be stuck with little to no champion gear, making it even WORSE then it already is in warzones to compete because all the new 50s will not have the gear for an even longer amount of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfondles Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) where does it actually refer to, from BW what you are speaking of. I'd just like to see their post about it it's in the patch notes for the next patchhttp://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2419221#edit2419221 Edited February 2, 2012 by Mcfondles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyyuga Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) So I have to wait until valor 60 now to have a good chance at champion gear? *** is up with that. to get equivalent pve gear u have to raid a whole lot, do u think bw should just throw epics at you? this is NOT wow...and before valor 60 u gat a CHANCE (even if its a low one) to get that gear. in my opinion, this is fair Edited February 2, 2012 by Hyyuga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are you kidding me? Have you even been in a raid? We ran ONE fresh 50 BH through EV today and hes already at 4 pieces of armor and has his OH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefool Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 to get equivalent pve gear u have to raid a whole lot, do u think bw should just throw epics at you? this is NOT wow...and before valor 60 u gat a CHANCE (even if its a low one) to get that gear. in my opinion, this is fair To get equivalent PVE gear, you have to go through a progression of increasingly difficult PVE content that rewards you with increasingly better gear. To get the PVP gear on the other hand, you start at the hardest difficulty and then everything becomes easier everytime you get a new piece of gear. Tell me again why you can even consider comparing these two progressions and how the PVP one even makes any kind of sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suiken Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Being a somewhat casual player without much time to grind gear for extended periods of time, I realise that I will progress slower than others. However, from approximately 30 champion bags (to some people that is probably not much) I have gotten exactly 2 champion tokens and accumulated enough centurion comms to get 3 pieces of centurion gear providing the largest upgrade for me at the time (two implants and an offhand). With the new patch, my seemingly atrocious luck and being on a low population server, I sincerely doubt that I am ever going to see any champion gear again ever - unless I get to valor 60 which on my server means either being steamrolled in WZ or trading kills on illum, defeating the purpose of pvp and pvp progression entirely. No matter what some people might think, that is hardly any fun, which is what this game should be, right? To summarise, RNG is bollocks Get rid of it and close the gap between newer pvpers with little or no expertise and veterans with battlemaster gear as previous posters already pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef_Cake Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I made a thread basically saying the same this... My Idea/suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erenax Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 People are really complaining about having more control over the gear they get from champion bags? Really? Kids these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyyuga Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 To get equivalent PVE gear, you have to go through a progression of increasingly difficult PVE content that rewards you with increasingly better gear. To get the PVP gear on the other hand, you start at the hardest difficulty and then everything becomes easier everytime you get a new piece of gear. Tell me again why you can even consider comparing these two progressions and how the PVP one even makes any kind of sense? i do not WANT to not compare the two u just cant, but the only thing i hear is crying that u dont get more tokens out of the champion bags and i think this is plain stupid, because why should u get a token out of 10 wzs (to get 200/200 comms), this would be inappropriate... ah maybe no one understands me bcause english is not my native language, whatever... ps.: if u suck at as team in pve and cannot kill a boss u get nothing, if u suck at pvp u get at least commendations and valor, it just needs more time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-poopar Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The number of commendations in Champion and Battlemaster Bags has been greatly increased, and the direct item trade tokens appear less frequently in Champion Bags. This change allows players to obtain PvP gear at a steady and significantly more predictable rate with an occasional bonus. Says nothing about battlemaster bags, thank god. I do not like the roll system however...im currently rank 59 and still no weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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