Can the Tionese BoP earpieces be RE'ed to learn better versions?

[Zzxe]

For example, Tionese Stalker's Chip or Columni Weaponmaster's Device?

 

I've heard DIFFERENT stories and I'd like to know the truth here. These are the ones that require a biometric crystal alloy or an alien data cube, for example.

 

I've burned through a few of them and have not learned a better recipe of these yet.

 

Anyone?

[Natarii]

Tionese, Columi, and Rakata are the current end game, tiered Operations sets. They are not craftable, and you will not learn how to make them via reverse engineering. I'm not even sure that RE is available on these items, but I wouldnt recommend doing it if it is. If you have the option to attempt this, most likely you will receive the message "there is no reverse engineering data available for this item" upon it's destruction.

 

*Caveat to this is that artificers can learn to craft Rakata relics and Biochemists can learn to craft Rakata ear pieces and implants (someone check me on biochem, as i dont play one personally), but these items are trained directly from the trainer and require no reverse engineering.

Edited January 27, 2012 by Natarii

[Zzxe]

I'm telling you, I can craft both of those items after picking the schematics up from raids. I'm wondering if they can be REed to gain the Critical, Overkill, Redouct and then another RE for the 14 different ones.

 

Can anyone verify?

 

The only semi "Evidence" I have is that a Biochem sold me 2 Columi implants he had crafted that were "Exceptional" and not Mastercraft. This leads me to believe that the items can be reverse engineered for further tiers.

[Natarii]

Your initial post said nothing of learning the items from recipe drops - I read it as taking the item drops and reverse engineering them to learn an upgrade. I cannot comment on the recipe drops from raids in regards to reverse engineering.

[Zzxe]

I apologize, but you cannot learn any BoP earpieces for cybertech from the trainer. I assumed it was implied.

 

I need to know this information if anyone has it. I'm the top cybertech on my server but I don't want to waste all my biometric alloy if it is impossible for me to get a better version, even if torhead lists the upgraded versions...

[Slaign]

I apologize, but you cannot learn any BoP earpieces for cybertech from the trainer. I assumed it was implied.

 

I need to know this information if anyone has it. I'm the top cybertech on my server but I don't want to waste all my biometric alloy if it is impossible for me to get a better version, even if torhead lists the upgraded versions...

 

Unfortunately, no one has reported on this in my guide. With over 1000 posts now it's the most comprehensive discussion on reverse engineering out there, so I like to think that if it had been confirmed it would have quickly made it's way to the discussion there.

 

My guess is that the cost prohibition and the required effort to learn the schematics has prevented adequate research into the matter. What that means is we just do not know yet.

 

TORHead is using information on the systems that we have discovered as a community to try to create a database of items, but without actually seeing the process work in game, it is just speculation on their part about these specific items.

 

So basically what I'm telling you is we just don't know yet. Another thing I hope you take away from my post is that, as the top Cybertech on your server and as you possess the schematic in question, you are in a unique position to do some research yourself.

 

I know it would be expensive and time consuming, and I understand if you don't want to invest in doing it, but if you do, it would be of benefit to the entire crafting community. If you do decide to research this subject, I greatly encourage you to keep us updated by posting in my guide thread, stickied in this forum and linked in my signature.

 

It's important that you remember to keep track of details. For example, if you fail to find improvements, make sure you tell us just how many times you've tried. It's incredibly unlikely that you would be able to produce enough product alone to create a sample size large enough to disprove the ability to upgrade them, but it only takes one success to prove it.

 

Thanks, and good luck!

[Zzxe]

Unfortunately, no one has reported on this in my guide. With over 1000 posts now it's the most comprehensive discussion on reverse engineering out there, so I like to think that if it had been confirmed it would have quickly made it's way to the discussion there.

 

My guess is that the cost prohibition and the required effort to learn the schematics has prevented adequate research into the matter. What that means is we just do not know yet.

 

TORHead is using information on the systems that we have discovered as a community to try to create a database of items, but without actually seeing the process work in game, it is just speculation on their part about these specific items.

 

So basically what I'm telling you is we just don't know yet. Another thing I hope you take away from my post is that, as the top Cybertech on your server and as you possess the schematic in question, you are in a unique position to do some research yourself.

 

I know it would be expensive and time consuming, and I understand if you don't want to invest in doing it, but if you do, it would be of benefit to the entire crafting community. If you do decide to research this subject, I greatly encourage you to keep us updated by posting in my guide thread, stickied in this forum and linked in my signature.

 

It's important that you remember to keep track of details. For example, if you fail to find improvements, make sure you tell us just how many times you've tried. It's incredibly unlikely that you would be able to produce enough product alone to create a sample size large enough to disprove the ability to upgrade them, but it only takes one success to prove it.

 

Thanks, and good luck!

 

Will do, thanks. I've already crafted 8 and reverse engineered those with no results. I have to run more hard modes to get more alloy.

[Blutelf]

They cannot be REd to learn a different schematic. Why the hell would they if a Columi schematic exists for each one of them?

 

"Exceptional" is the Biochem crit suffix.

[Zzxe]

They cannot be REd to learn a different schematic. Why the hell would they if a Columi schematic exists for each one of them?

 

"Exceptional" is the Biochem crit suffix.

 

How do you know? Other schematics in the game that you craft can be RE'ed into 2 higher tiers. There is no need for you to be rude about it, especially when torhead lists different versions of the item just like every other cybertech earpiece you can make:

 

http://www.torhead.com/schematic/b9FHpL7/tionese-stalkers-chip

[TheGamerJake]

If you find more info definitely post it here as I am curious myself, If I had more Alien Data Cubes I would experiment but don't have enough yet to do so.

[Almghty_gir]

i just made 2x rakata war leaders belt (schematic costs 8000 creds or there about, from trainer), RE'd them and got nothing (but some materials) back.

 

that's not to say it can't be done, i'm just saying they can be RE'd at this point and a wider sample is required before we can conclusively suggest that you get no better schematic.

 

what is known:

if you find a blue level 50 schematic (primeval seekers headgear)

 

 

you can RE it up to purple (redoubt primeval seekers headgear)

 

 

you can FURTHER RE it up to a tier 2 purple (anti-armour primeval seekers headgear [superior])

 

which implies that at the very least, dropped schematics still follow the rules found here regardless of whether they started as green or blue schematics.

 

since the rakata ones are purchased, and the materials to make them are quite costly, it would take a lot of work to get a sample size large enough to tell (i would start with at least 100).

 

also, a schematic dropped for me in eternity vault last night that creates a bind on equip item (yay!), but again, i'm unsure if this would follow the same rules. i would like to believe it does (which would make crafting somewhat worthwhile) however the mats to make it are both inordinately rare, and expensive, so again finding a big enough sample size for a definitive answer will be hard.

[-Quantum-]

Hi all, i know its little offtopic, but from my crafting/RE experience (Artifice) i can say the following:

1) Exist items that doesn't allow RE(for example some offhand shields). As artificer i can craft/re some of them, but others has RE button disabled

2) Exist items that on RE disappear with message "No reverse engineering information for item"

3) All other items who on RE return some materials(and probably new schematics)

 

So, if you are able to RE your item, and it returns to you some material then i think it probably can give you new schematics

Edited January 28, 2012 by -Quantum-

[Sky_walkerPL]

Problem is that a chance of hitting new schematic even for lvl49 purple item is somewhere around 1/30 - 1/50 so I doubt there's much of a point in running for RE of purple lvl50 item using biometric crystal alloy.

Perhaps purple lvl50 bind on equip item would work but these drop extremly rarely (ps. Can you tell me which boss dropped this schematic for you in EV?)

[Zzxe]

I'm up to 12 of the items REed that use the biometric crystal alloy. I haven't even crafted a critical one yet with an augment slot.

 

I'll keep trying as I have no other use for my alloy.

[Monotwo]

Problem is that a chance of hitting new schematic even for lvl49 purple item is somewhere around 1/30 - 1/50 so I doubt there's much of a point in running for RE of purple lvl50 item using biometric crystal alloy.

Perhaps purple lvl50 bind on equip item would work but these drop extremly rarely (ps. Can you tell me which boss dropped this schematic for you in EV?)

 

all the bosses seem to have dropped schematics for all crafting skills from my observation.

[DaceEspada]

Problem is that a chance of hitting new schematic even for lvl49 purple item is somewhere around 1/30 - 1/50 so I doubt there's much of a point in running for RE of purple lvl50 item using biometric crystal alloy.

Perhaps purple lvl50 bind on equip item would work but these drop extremly rarely (ps. Can you tell me which boss dropped this schematic for you in EV?)

 

While the odds might be slim to say that it's not worth it would be erroneous at best. If you /can/ RE better schematics for these items, that would me the T2 version of the raid drop schematic would literally be the best item in game for that tier. The stat upgrades getting even a T1 RE alone would be worth as typically the upgraded schematic as a significantly better item rating.

 

If it /can/ be done, then those that have this gear on farm status will and should be RE'ing it as often as possible for a chance at even better gear. Expensive? Certainly, but at level 50, you don't have much need for your credits anyway.