Darth_Menace Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) If I am level 12 in a warzone there is no way in hell I should be winning or fighting against a higher level player. If they ever add brackets then bolster effect needs to go, all bolster does is keeps you alive longer and raises your stats, this is not teaching players anything. I remember getting crushed in WOW against higher levels but that was my choice, I was killed a lot but it made me a better player. This is some form of Candyland PVP. I also understand if bolster is removed now without the brackets then all low levels will be crushed, thats why they need to add all of the brackets and remove the bolster effect. Yet it seems like a no win situations because a level 12 player will be crying because they got killed by a level 19 player and cry for nerfs. You want real PVP? Remove the bolster effect and watch all the slaughter that takes place!! /Rant off I have to get to level 13:D TLDR: Remove Bolster effect and the real pvp happens. Edited January 27, 2012 by Darth_Menace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwal Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The servers simply don't support the populations required to this. Bolster is better than no PvP at all. You want real PVP? I'd rather just play computer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmonSWTOR Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If I am level 12 in a warzone there is no way in hell I should be winning or fighting against a higher level player. If they ever add brackets then bolster effect needs to go, all bolster does is keeps you alive longer and raises your stats, this is not teaching players anything. I remember getting crushed in WOW against higher levels but that was my choice, I was killed a lot but it made me a better player. This is some form of Candyland PVP. I also understand if bolster is removed now without the brackets then all low levels will be crushed, thats why they need to add all of the brackets and remove the bolster effect. Yet it seems like a no win situations because a level 12 player will be crying because they got killed by a level 19 player and cry for nerfs. You want real PVP? Remove the bolster effect and watch all the slaughter that takes place!! /Rant off I have to get to level 13:D TLDR: Remove Bolster effect and the real pvp happens. Imo PvP is something that should be fun for everyone, not just high lvl players. Also at lvl 12, u really only beat higher lvl players who have no clue what they are doing, due to all the missing skills, stats arent everything after all. In WoW, like u said, u chose to get smacked by higher lvls, well do the same here, roll a pvp server and get ganked by bored high lvls. If that is ->your<- definition of funy pvp, so be it. I just dont think that really is a way to go for the masses, just something for bored high lvl gankers. Im lvl 50, close to full champ set and i dont see any kind of purpose in beating undergeared, underlvled players. No fun for me, no sign of any kind of skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decazut Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Why not fight on equal terms? The bolster mechanic is something brilliant BW brought to this genre , it makes low level PvP fun and viable for leveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norr Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If I am level 12 in a warzone there is no way in hell I should be winning or fighting against a higher level player. I remember getting crushed in WOW against higher levels but that was my choice, I was killed a lot but it made me a better player. This is some form of Candyland PVP. So your definition of PvP is "higher levels and/or better gear wins"? Yeah, forget that newby crap. I'll stick with even(ish) pre 50 PvP and win with skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabaker Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Why not fight on equal terms? The bolster mechanic is something brilliant BW brought to this genre , it makes low level PvP fun and viable for leveling. Well, i also killed many Imps on my lvl 11 Sentinel Yesterday. Did it make me feel good? No, because i knew that i won against extremely bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolnamesrtaken Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) So you're level 12 and you killed a higher level player? What's the problem? Bolster makes things less about gear and level and more about skill. Low level's abilities do more damage sure, but they don't have the utilities or the talent points that the higher level players do. It's basically a handicap there to prevent you from being totally demolished by anyone that's a higher level than you simply because of what they are: a higher level than you. Besides all of that, there's not enough players in every tier of level to not keep the current system. Edited January 27, 2012 by coolnamesrtaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krystaf Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Ok, what!? 10-49 pvp is fun as hell and there seems to be mutual agreement on this even on the forums. Yes there's qq about this and that class being OP, but you are the first to complain about bolster. Higher level has more utility than lower, that's difference enough. Personally I don't mind getting owned by lower level player. It's a fairly even playing field, get used to the fact that you need skill to beat someone (not counting possibly OP classes). edit: Personally I think that all the players should have same set of skills, equipment and stats (affected only by your class) when entering WZ. Edited January 27, 2012 by Krystaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorwinOfAmber Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Bolster is ok and working as intended. The problem is that higher level players loosing benefits from bolster gradually, dont keep their gear up to date. If you gear up properly, at any point, at any level you will be in huge advantage over bolstered players. If you are lvl 40 in lvl20 green gear, that only relied on bolster in warzones - well, too bad for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorgonKara Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) I don't think you are right about that. I have a lvl 15 Sorcerer and a Mercenary that have topped the charts in Warzones. If you don't like the bolster roll on a PvP server and once you leave the capital world you'll see just how much the bolster evens the odds. A lvl 12 would get one-shot by a lvl 50. Sorry but that's not good PvP. Edited January 27, 2012 by MorgonKara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soazak Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Bolster is fine. If you're unhappy fighting on equal terms, go gank lowbies questing. Bolstering in thr 1-49 bracket is actually better for a lot of people than the 50 bracket. PvP is supposed to be about skill and ability, rather than how many hours of quest dialogue you've sat through. Edited January 27, 2012 by Soazak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lykurgus Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Disagree 100% It allows me play pvp with rl mates even tho we are all different levels. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badseed Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 i'm pretty sure the OP is higher level, and he gets killed regularly by lowbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolnamesrtaken Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 i'm pretty sure the OP is higher level, and he gets killed regularly by lowbies. was just thinking that... reverse the rolls in his post. I mean, who comes to forums saying "WHOA I'M SAY TOO STRONG- NERF ME." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risq Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If I am level 12 in a warzone there is no way in hell I should be winning or fighting against a higher level player. If they ever add brackets then bolster effect needs to go, all bolster does is keeps you alive longer and raises your stats, this is not teaching players anything. I remember getting crushed in WOW against higher levels but that was my choice, I was killed a lot but it made me a better player. This is some form of Candyland PVP. I also understand if bolster is removed now without the brackets then all low levels will be crushed, thats why they need to add all of the brackets and remove the bolster effect. Yet it seems like a no win situations because a level 12 player will be crying because they got killed by a level 19 player and cry for nerfs. You want real PVP? Remove the bolster effect and watch all the slaughter that takes place!! /Rant off I have to get to level 13:D TLDR: Remove Bolster effect and the real pvp happens. I too disagree. Unless Bolster was changed, all Bolster does is raise your "Base" stats. That means you are the same level as the highest player around you. "But" if they have better gears, and the level 50's were competing with the better PVP gear before their bracket was added, then set bonus's and such were still making them have better hit points and giving bonuses to some skills. I remember when I took my JG there and I was wondering how players were getting shoved off of the platform in Void Star and Hutt Ball. It wasn't until "I" got that skill that it made it more fun. Nothing helps like pushing the ball carrier off the bridge into the fire below like force push. But you don't have that skill at 12. So if you beat a player with more available skills than you pat yourself on the back, they should have been able to push you around better than they did. Maybe it was also their first time and they had no idea what to really do either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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