WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Recently got Talos as a tankasin and it was taking me forever to kill small packs. I was used to Andy and using his AOE at same time as mine to down packs quickly, worked well. With Talos default skills on he was mostly just standing there spraying green beams or grey carbon goop. I turned off carbon spray and med scan, just left jolt field dress and kolto pack on since they are instants and he keeps me full just fine. MUCH BETTER now IMO. Would like to hear what others think, anyone else try this yet. Give it a shot and lemme know Edited January 26, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Recently got Talos as a tankasin and it was taking me forever to kill small packs. I was used to Andy and using his AOE at same time as mine to down packs quickly, worked well. With Talos default skills on he was mostly just standing there spraying green beams or grey carbon goop. I turned off carbon spray and med scan, just left jolt field dress and kolto pack on since they are instants and he keeps me full just fine. MUCH BETTER now IMO. Would like to hear what others think, anyone else try this yet. Give it a shot and lemme know The grey goop as u call it is pretty dope its a CC that allows you to get maul if timed correctly less baby sitting if he takes aggro. I have zero problems getting healed with all his skills turned on with him in medscan mode. oops typo meant med-watch... Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForwardObserver Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Like the guy above me said, carbonite spray is amazing when fighting 4-5 guys at once. He'll sit there and keep one locked down for quite a bit and heal you at same time. Also nice if he uses it on an elite, allows you to get behind the target, or to recup your focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkcheng Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The grey goop as u call it is pretty dope its a CC that allows you to get maul if timed correctly less baby sitting if he takes aggro. I have zero problems getting healed with all his skills turned on with him in medscan mode. OP's issue wasn't with him healing, OP is saying he turned those abilities off and were able to down mobs faster while still being kept at full hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) OP's issue wasn't with him healing, OP is saying he turned those abilities off and were able to down mobs faster while still being kept at full hp. My point is the same the difference is minuscule period and lost is way greater than the gain silly rabbit tricks are for kids.... But then it's all an eye ball test until real parsers are introduced into the game. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 The grey goop as u call it is pretty dope its a CC that allows you to get maul if timed correctly less baby sitting if he takes aggro. I have zero problems getting healed with all his skills turned on with him in medscan mode. I tried utilizing his spray for just this, however I still found it way faster to down a group without it. Give it a run, lemme know how your mileage varies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Like the guy above me said, carbonite spray is amazing when fighting 4-5 guys at once. He'll sit there and keep one locked down for quite a bit and heal you at same time. Also nice if he uses it on an elite, allows you to get behind the target, or to recup your focus. actually he cannot do ANYTHING while he is carbon spraying as it is channeled. My issue was that was all he was doing, well that and his other channeled (med scan) Edited January 26, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) actually he cannot do ANYTHING while he is carbon spraying as it is channeled. My issue was that was all he was doing, well that and his other channeled (med scan) Never ever had an issue with it and I use him against every tough elite mob lol. If he is in med-watch not medscan lol he's baller as is. From torhead Carbonized Stream Activation: Instant Range: 30 m Traps the target in carbonite for up to 8 seconds. Damage to the target causes this effect to end prematurely. Targets may only be affected by Carbonized Stream once every 30 seconds. Its instant not channeled not sure if we are playing the same game... I guess you feel that while his heals are on CD you rather him do nothing to each his own. His heals all have cool downs from 6 seconds to 15S reduced by Med-watch. The key is when your full he do squat when you don't need heals and squat just waiting on cool downs = waste. Against a pack of mobs I normally CC the strong he CC another dps the pack down fight the strong Elite its win win simple and clean. You take less damage and need less healing and do more damage pretty simple. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Darkstar Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I just turned both his attacks and his CC off so he concentrated on healing, I never though about what you have suggested but will give it a go tonight. I definitely do not want the CC on, having your healer distracted for 8 seconds is bad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyVale Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I asked similar questions a few days ago, here is some more feedback. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=226723 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Never ever had an issue with it and I use him against every tough elite mob lol. If he is in med-watch not medscan lol he's baller as is. From torhead Carbonized Stream Activation: Instant Range: 30 m Traps the target in carbonite for up to 8 seconds. Damage to the target causes this effect to end prematurely. Targets may only be affected by Carbonized Stream once every 30 seconds. Its instant not channeled not sure if we are playing the same game... I guess you feel that while his heals are on CD you rather him do nothing to each his own. His heals all have cool downs from 6 seconds to 15S reduced by Med-watch. The key is when your full he do squat when you don't need heals and squat just waiting on cool downs = waste. Against a pack of mobs I normally CC the strong he CC another dps the pack down fight the strong Elite its win win simple and clean. You take less damage and need less healing and do more damage pretty simple. you beter check in game it is 100% channeled. it starts instant but he has o stand ther spraying. like force lightning. med scan and med watch are totally different and not even close to same thing. I think you are playing a different game. Edited January 26, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) you beter check in game it is 100% channeled. it starts instant but he has o stand ther spraying. like force lightning. med scan and med watch are totally different and not even close to same thing. I think you are playing a different game. No kidding sherlock med-watch is his healing stances again all i am saying to you is the loss is way more than the gain its pretty silly in my book to gimp ur companion for little to no gain. On a mob his spray is another interrupt the more the mob is interrupted the less damage they can do and the more freedom for me to go behind and maul it. It's simple yeah gimp him it's your loss not mine. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) No kidding sherlock med-watch is his healing stances again all i am saying to you is the loss is way more than the gain its pretty silly in my book to gimp ur companion for little to no gain. On a mob his spray is another interrupt the more the mob is interrupted the less damage they can do and the more freedom for me to go behind and maul it. It's simple yeah gimp him it's your loss not mine. Let me spell this out slowy for you very very slowly. 0.1) I Do leave him in Med WATCH. 1) While he is channeling either skill he is DOING NOTHING else for 3+ seconds. a) instead of doing nothing useful he could be attacking for that time and doing ok dmg. 2) I DONT want him incaping weak mobs because they are not worth it when even a pet can 4-5 shot em. 3) I am taking out group FASTER then with these skills on with NO DOWNTIME. 4) With med scan on he was constantly OVERHEALING me, since he would start channeling the second I took even 1 point of damage. 5) I get force when I parry/dodge/shield an attack that means the more I get hit the more dmg I do and in turn the faster I kill stuff. 6) If it takes 2 mins to kill a group of 5 before doing this but less than a minute with this set up and both leave me at FULL HP. Which is the gimped now 7) Please take some time to understand the difference between instant, cast, and channeled abilities as clearly this confuses you. Really though guy, I only came here to ask people to try it and see what milage they get. IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO TRY PLEASE STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD AS YOU ARE ONLY TROLLING! Edited January 26, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Some people are vnhemotly oppsed to new things, and some people are stupid; occasionaly the two overlap. For everyone else..... Give this a go and see how it works for you. PS yes his dmg is awesome compared to doing little to no dmg. Try it or go away, unless your scared. Edited January 26, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Some people are vnhemotly oppsed to new things, and some people are stupid; occasionaly the two overlap. For everyone else..... Give this a go and see how it works for you. PS yes his dmg is awesome compared to doing little to no dmg. Try it or go away, unless your scared. Been done and his damage is no where near that good we all can see a 2x jump in our DPS from using our HEALING companion isn't possible. Man if our healing companion gives us a 2x increase in our dps I call for a nerf or Andi and Ashara should go on strike.. It's a simple math problem and all the math + cool downs don't add up period to a 2x increase in our dps over 5 mobs just doesn't. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkav Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Been done and his damage is no where near that good you must be smoking some good stuff in fact please share than we all can see a 2x jump in our DPS from using our HEALING companion. Man if our healing companion gives us a 2x increase in our dps I call for a nerf or Andi and Ashara should go on strike.. It's a simple math problem and all the math + cool downs don't add up period to a 2x increase in our dps over 5 mobs just doesn't. I get the feeling from your responses that you are not playing as a tank. As a tank, incoming damage is not really a problem - Talos can usually keep us topped off just fine. You are most efficient AOEing groups down and do not need the CC because you will just break it. Maul as a tank is a waste of force so worrying about positioning is not an issue. So while I agree that if you are playing deception or something that is bursting down single targets, his CC is great. As a tank though, it is rather pointless. Talos is not more DPS than the other DPS focused companions, but most of the time as a tank we have zero downtime with Talos so overall I feel like my efficiency is higher with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkcheng Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Been done and his damage is no where near that good we all can see a 2x jump in our DPS from using our HEALING companion isn't possible. Man if our healing companion gives us a 2x increase in our dps I call for a nerf or Andi and Ashara should go on strike.. It's a simple math problem and all the math + cool downs don't add up period to a 2x increase in our dps over 5 mobs just doesn't. I already think Talos is OP when he can keep me at 90% hp after killing a level 50 heroic 2+ champion at over 100k health. If he can double my dps as well, then I think we should just take 4 Assassins with 4 Talos to Operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I get the feeling from your responses that you are not playing as a tank. As a tank, incoming damage is not really a problem - Talos can usually keep us topped off just fine. You are most efficient AOEing groups down and do not need the CC because you will just break it. Maul as a tank is a waste of force so worrying about positioning is not an issue. So while I agree that if you are playing deception or something that is bursting down single targets, his CC is great. As a tank though, it is rather pointless. Talos is not more DPS than the other DPS focused companions, but most of the time as a tank we have zero downtime with Talos so overall I feel like my efficiency is higher with him. Actually I AOE trash as well as deception base still cc incoming damage even for short amounts is damage you will not take or need to heal from. When using Talos its true same vs using Ashara or ANdi less damage = less time healing more time killing. I can walk away from a pack almost full health either way and kill non stop vs trash. I use Ashara for packs with strong mobs and Talos for packs with gold elites and thats where his true value lies I can't see him giving a 2x edge in dps ever. Talos dps if turn off all his heals pales in comparison to Ashara or Andi its a no contest. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I already think Talos is OP when he can keep me at 90% hp after killing a level 50 heroic 2+ champion at over 100k health. If he can double my dps as well, then I think we should just take 4 Assassins with 4 Talos to Operations. LMAO man you hurt my side with that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkcheng Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 LMAO man you hurt my side with that one... Sad thing was, I never discovered how great he was until I Googled how to defeat Thanaton for the class quest. Prior to that I had spent my whole toon-life using Khem and Xalek as I felt only a tank can allow me to use Maul effectively with my build (0/18/23 hybrid). It was after that fight I realized I could take on Heroic 2+ champions when I'm in Dark Charge, haven't actually tried using Lightning Charge against Champions, might try that next time I'm soloing the Belsavis Heroic 2+ daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Sad thing was, I never discovered how great he was until I Googled how to defeat Thanaton for the class quest. Prior to that I had spent my whole toon-life using Khem and Xalek as I felt only a tank can allow me to use Maul effectively with my build (0/18/23 hybrid). It was after that fight I realized I could take on Heroic 2+ champions when I'm in Dark Charge, haven't actually tried using Lightning Charge against Champions, might try that next time I'm soloing the Belsavis Heroic 2+ daily. Yeah his heals are OP the first champion I met I took on after I got him and geared him was like a walk in the park no contest full deception in dark charge mode the sucker did hit hard lol. Edited January 26, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkav Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Actually I AOE trash as well as deception base still cc incoming damage even for short amounts is damage you will not take or need to heal from. When using Talos its true same vs using Ashara or ANdi less damage = less time healing more time killing. I can walk away from a pack almost full health either way and kill non stop vs trash. I use Ashara for packs with strong mobs and Talos for packs with gold elites and thats where his true value lies I can't see him giving a 2x edge in dps ever. Talos dps if turn off all his heals pales in comparison to Ashara or Andi its a no contest. Well, I am certainly not arguing that he is 2x better than the other companions (that was someone else). And I do agree that if you are deception, the extra CC is nice. As a tank though, I'd rather he used a dps ability if he has extra time (as meager as they are). At any rate, I have a tank spec and most of the time I quest in DPS gear with Talos (with his CC off) - seems to work pretty good for me. I switch to tank gear for soloing heroic quests. I am sure I would run a little different setup if I had a DPS spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Darkstar Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Tried this last night as a Sorceror and disabling his med-scan made it hard for him to heal me, though disabling his Carbonite definitely prevents him from pretty much wasting time. CC is never any good unless you control where and when to use it, and as it is channeled he is much more use just DPSing or healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenVonTronje Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I haven't used Talos much except for the last class quest battle but I'm pretty sure he's a Mako clone. I always keep her in heal stance and turn off the channelled CC; the channelled stun is decent, in theory, when fighting multiple strongs or elites (if vulnerable) but truth be told you're better off CCing them yourself and keeping the heals up, especially since who he uses it on will be random and it's interrupted by damage (assuming he's a Mako clone as I think he is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordbishopX Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) lol its a silly argument the CC is actually just an interrupt if you do it right not a big deal at all less damage you take less healing you need period. Its a preference and doesn't make a huge difference at all certainly not a 2x increase in your dps from your healing companion in any way shape or form. Stating I don't like he CC okay I get that I personally don't mind it when he stops a strong wandering mob that aggros him instead of taking it to the face and we both need heals... Edited January 27, 2012 by LordbishopX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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