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Hi, everyone. I don't know about others, but I enjoy speculating on "what ifs" in various stories. For this one, let's suppose that Mace Windu somehow managed to successfully kill Palpatine before Anakin arrived, and, although probably upset, Anakin somehow managed to barely avoid turning to the dark side. What are your thoughts on what would happen?

 

Would Anakin's secret marriage to Padme and his fathering of children be discovered?

 

Would Anakin be expelled from the Jedi Order, and, if so, would he later turn to the dark side?

 

Would Padme live on to be a mother to Luke and Leia?

 

Would Luke and Leia be taken in as Jedi Younglings/Padawans?

 

If Luke and Leia ended up as Padawans, who would be their respective Masters? (In this case, I think Obi-Wan Kenobi would still end up training Luke, and Ashoka Tano or Bariss Offee would be Leia's Master).

 

What would happen to all the Clone Troopers?

 

After Palpatine's death, would the war continue, or would the Seperatist Droid Armies be defeated?

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My first thought is it would be hard to keep a marriage and children secret, but then again with a whole galaxy to hide in anything's possible! I bet Luke and Leia would definitely be taken on as padawans, since they were so strong in the Force.
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Hi, everyone. I don't know about others, but I enjoy speculating on "what ifs" in various stories. For this one, let's suppose that Mace Windu somehow managed to successfully kill Palpatine before Anakin arrived, and, although probably upset, Anakin somehow managed to barely avoid turning to the dark side. What are your thoughts on what would happen?

 

Would Anakin's secret marriage to Padme and his fathering of children be discovered?

 

Would Anakin be expelled from the Jedi Order, and, if so, would he later turn to the dark side?

 

Would Padme live on to be a mother to Luke and Leia?

 

Would Luke and Leia be taken in as Jedi Younglings/Padawans?

 

If Luke and Leia ended up as Padawans, who would be their respective Masters? (In this case, I think Obi-Wan Kenobi would still end up training Luke, and Ashoka Tano or Bariss Offee would be Leia's Master).

 

What would happen to all the Clone Troopers?

 

After Palpatine's death, would the war continue, or would the Seperatist Droid Armies be defeated?

 

Mace Windu would fall to the dark side as if he did strike down Sidious he would have being doing so out of fear/hate. (at least thats the emotion i got of Samuel L Jackson.)

 

Obi-wan would kill Windu with help from two random jedi knights who would die during the battle. With no order 66 Yoda doesn't leave kashyyyk right away.

 

The clone's would still turn on the Jedi as you know Sidious would have had a back up in place to make sure they did in the event of his death, But as Pademe would still have been on coruscant during the purge she would die (without luke and leia being born) Anikin would fall to the dark side and kill Obi-wan.

 

Once the sepratist realise that the death star plans are in the hand of the republics new leader they all swiftly fall in line.

Yoda having left kashyyyk to late would go straight into exile.

Anikin Skywalker rules the galaxy with an iron fist.

 

After construction of the death star the weapons first target would be Tatooine and Naboo, after a few years of searching he would use the weapon to destroy Degobah.

 

10 years into his reign he would be struck down by his apprentice "Starkiller".

 

The Cycle of evil would continue until the force called apon that special someone to bring balance to the force.

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Hi, everyone. I don't know about others, but I enjoy speculating on "what ifs" in various stories. For this one, let's suppose that Mace Windu somehow managed to successfully kill Palpatine before Anakin arrived, and, although probably upset, Anakin somehow managed to barely avoid turning to the dark side. What are your thoughts on what would happen?

 

You may be surprised at some of the things you can learn if you know where to look. :)

 

Would Anakin's secret marriage to Padme and his fathering of children be discovered?

 

If that was ever meant to be kept secret, it was the worst kept secret in the Republic. Palpatine, his people, as well as the Jedi Order from almost every master, all the way up to all of the members of the Jedi council, knew about Anakin's marriage roughly a week after it happened. They just didn't like talking about it.

 

Would Anakin be expelled from the Jedi Order, and, if so, would he later turn to the dark side?

 

They didn't expel Quinlan Vos when he purposefully butchered a bunch of innocents to convince Dooku that he wasn't a Jedi anymore, so, no, they probably wouldn't have expelled Anakin either.

 

Would Padme live on to be a mother to Luke and Leia?

 

Possibly. As perceptive as Padme was, she likely would have eventually realized just how far into darkness Anakin already was, and tried to run away with the kids, and then Anakin would have found her trying to run away in secret, would have snapped, and choked her to death.

 

Would Luke and Leia be taken in as Jedi Younglings/Padawans?

 

Actually, that one is hard to call. If Anakin didn't go crazy and kill the kids in the eventual blind rage he would have had, then, maybe. The Jedi are very opposed to breeding for traits of strong Force-sensitivity, because they don't like the idea of having a Jedi dynasty that could ultimately grow to challenge the Republic, so, it is possible that they may have been refused because they were too strong. Then again, they might have seen more danger in not training them. Hard to say.

 

If Luke and Leia ended up as Padawans, who would be their respective Masters? (In this case, I think Obi-Wan Kenobi would still end up training Luke, and Ashoka Tano or Bariss Offee would be Leia's Master).

 

The very idea of Ahsoka Tano as a master terrifies me, truly terrifies me. More likely than not, due to Luke's natural affinity for taking his opponent's style and making it his own, with the way he intuitively learns, Obi-Wan would have been a very likely candidate as his master, or Ki-Adi-Mund. Leia...who would train Leia....Shaak Ti? Ki-Adi-Mundi would also be a good choice for her, due to his Cerean brain. Actually, now that I think about it, Mace Windu would be the perfect choice for her. Mace, strives to avoid fighting whenever possible, something Leia would take to well, but when Mace needs to fight, he really can fight, and that would be an area Leia would not be as strong in as others, something Mace could help her with.

 

What would happen to all the Clone Troopers?)

 

They would probably function as a typical military would in peace time, once they won the war.

 

After Palpatine's death, would the war continue, or would the Seperatist Droid Armies be defeated?

 

The CIS were already getting stomped into the ferrocrete before Palpatine dealt the deathblow to them. They had nothing left with which to continue fighting.

 

All that out of the way, if Mace managed to kill Palpatine, I find it highly, highly, likely that he would have fallen to the dark side, assuming of course we are talking about the same set of circumstances we saw in the movie. If that was the case, then Anakin would have most certainly became his apprentice.

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The Galactic Senate would quickly elect a new Supreme Chancellor, who would immediately call upon the Jedi Order to surrender Mace Windu to Republic authorities. Yoda would immediately leave Kashyyyk to reconvene the Jedi Council and institute new members to replace the ones lost in the duel with Sidious. Due to his war hero status and a new need for credibility, Anakin Skywalker would formally be given a seat on the Council. Based on their knowledge of Chancellor Palpatine's status as the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, Grand Master Yoda and the Council would refuse to surrender Mace Windu.

 

The new Chancellor and the Senate, however, would refuse to withdraw their demand and would threaten to declare the Jedi Order "enemies of the Republic" if Mace Windu was not surrendered, arguing that Windu's actions were a coup d'etat. Windu would resign his seat on the Council and his status as a Jedi Master to voluntarily surrender himself, rather than see his beloved Order at odds with the Republic. Windu would be placed on trial. With only Master Skywalker's word that Palpatine had admitted to being a Sith Lord, and thus the one responsible for the ongoing war, Windu would be found guilty of treason and sentenced appropriately.

 

The Jedi Council would split down the middle on deciding how to respond to Windu's conviction. One half, led by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, would argue that the Order maintain its commitment to protecting the Republic, even if the Republic was turning on one of its sworn guardians. The other half, led by Anakin Skywalker, would argue that the Order should no longer recognize the authority of the Senate and the Chancellor, and should instead sever ties with the Republic. These arguments would be mirrored in the ranks of the Order at large, with some younger Jedi leaving the Order entirely.

 

Senator Padmé Amidala would be left with no choice but to resign her position once her marriage to Anakin Skywalker and her pregnancy become public knowledge due to public outrage on Naboo over the death of Palpatine. The Jedi Council and Order would again be split on the issue of this marriage. The conservative, old-guard Jedi would insist that Skywalker be punished in some manner, if not outright expelled from the Order; younger Jedi, however, tempered by war and in awe of the "Hero with No Fear" would argue that the Order should no longer prohibit relationships.

 

Under the weight of these combined disagreements and due to experiences in the war, the Jedi Order would undergo its Fifth Great Schism. Skywalker and his followers would renounce their Jedi titles and depart Coruscant, leaving a diminished Order behind. This new order would more resemble the Jedi Order as depicted in the Tales of the Jedi series - members would be allowed to form attachments, to marry and have families. In fact, members would be encouraged to make use of their emotions to guide their actions through the Force. Skywalker and his followers would model the hierarchy closely upon the Jedi Army of Light, disbanded by the Ruusan Reformation.

 

Meanwhile, the Clone Wars would continue. However, without the leadership of Count Dooku, General Grievous, or Darth Sidious, the Confederacy of Independent Systems would be in the midst of a power vacuum, with no effective leadershiip. As such, many worlds would seek to surrender to and rejoin the Republic, while others would simply seek to consolidate their territory and protect their own worlds, rather than continue to expand. Those worlds that rejoined the Republic would surrender their droid armies, which would be folded into the Grand Army of the Republic. Even the GAR would be affected by the Jedi Schism, as some clonetroopers would desert to follow their former Jedi commanders. Ultimately a stalemate would develop, wherein the CIS would ally with Skywalker's order.

 

Not wanting to be separated from her husband, Padmé Amidala would have followed Anakin Skywalker as he and his followers abandoned the Jedi Order. Skywalker's order would establish itself on the CIS capital Raxus and would be placed in much the same position to the CIS as the Jedi Order was to the Republic. Due to the power vacuum, CIS representatives would initially turn to Amidala for leadership, who would decline due to her pregnancy and continued love of both the Republic and Naboo. Skywalker, as a leading galactic figure and the leader of the CIS's new powerful Force organization, would then be asked to take up the position. He would accept, and would immediately begin reforming the CIS government into a more ordered system with less influence from the business interests. The defecting clonetroopers would form the basis for a new officer corps in the largely droid military, and enlistment would be opened to organics.

 

Amidala and Skywalker's children Qui-Gon and Shmi would be born, and raised by their parents. The CIS - renamed the Galactic Confederacy - would formally become a dynastic system after their birth, with Skywalker's Force order essentially supplanting the previous governmental structures and turning the GC into a hybrid theocratic republic. The Republic would tolerate the existence of the Confederacy out of fear that even the enlarged GAR would not be able to wage a successful war against Skywalker's new government and Force sect. From time to time, Skywalker's rule would be seen by some as "harsh" but his inclination to strike hard at dissent would always be mitigated by his wife. Eventually, Qui-Gon Skywalker would replace his father as high lord of the order, while Shmi Skywalker would take on the responsibility of governing.

 

After the desertion of so many Jedi, Yoda would retire from his position as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and return simply to teaching the Younglings. Obi-Wan Kenobi would replace him, though Kenobi would never again take on a Padawan of his own. The Jedi would continue to serve the Republic in much the same capacity as they had before, though new laws would be passed to create a Security division within the Republic Justice Department. Rather than answering directly to the Supreme Chancellor, the Jedi Order would thus be placed under the purview of the Justice Department and partnered with the Security division. Wherever a Jedi would go, so would a Republic Security Officer. Some Jedi over the years would chafe under this supervision, and thus would defect to the Confederacy or disappear all together.

 

For 15 years following the end of the war, the Confederacy and the Republic would exist in a state of cold war. That would change when the Republic announced its new flagship - the Eye of Palpatine. It would become known that the plans to this space station were found in Palpatine's home during the investigation into his death, but no one would know where the design had actually originated from. Horrified that some members of the

Senate and the Chancellor would secretly approve the construction of a space station capable of destroying entire worlds, several worlds - including Alderaan, under the guidance of Bail Organa - would secede from the Republic and join the Confederacy.

 

A significant point in this new war would come on Naboo, where the Gungans and Naboo would be in a state of civil war. The Gungans would favor secession to join the Confederacy, whereas the Naboo would insist on remaining loyal to the Republic. Grand Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and High Lord Anakin Skywalker would meet on the battlefield for the first time since the latter left the Jedi Order. Skywalker would win the duel but would stop short of killing his old friend, and would order him to withdraw Republic forces from Naboo. Kenobi would return to the Republic in defeat, with Naboo joining the Confederacy, and the Senate would call for the use of the superweapon against Confederate worlds. The weapon would never have a chance to be used, however, as the Geonosians would inform Anakin that they had originally designed the weapon - and it had a fatal flaw. Qui-Gon Skywalker would lead the starfighter strike team against the Eye of Palpatine and would successfully destroy it.

 

Without the superweapon, and with Skywalker's forces continuing to win victory after victory, the Republic would be forced to pull its military back from aggressive expansion into confederate territory. The war would end with a whimper - Padmé would lead the Confederate delegation in the peace negotiations, after the Republic would sue for a cease fire. This time, the Republic and Confederacy would not be in a cold war - the Republic would be forced to accept the prospect that the Confederacy would exist for years to come. Yoda would still pass away at roughly the same time as he did in the real timeline. Kenobi would live on for several more years before passing away.

 

By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the Confederacy would have continued organic growth with new worlds voluntarily joining what they view as a more efficient, less corrupt government that is better prepared to provide for their citizens. During the invasion, it would become clear relatively quickly that the Confederacy was indeed in a better position to combat the Yuuzhan Vong, as defeat after defeat mounted for the Republic. Anakin would once again step into battle to defend his worlds and would die during the war. The Republic would be forced to ally itself with the Confederacy to survive, and in so doing would cease to exist as a separate government. The Confederacy would defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, who would essentially be extinguished from the face of the galaxy.

 

Shmi and Qui-Gon would both marry within the Force sect. Shmi would have one child - a son named Anakin who would grow to prominence in the Yuuzhan Vong War as a respected warrior and commander. Qui-Gon's children Luke and Leia would also distinguish themselves in that conflict. Anakin would later become the Supreme Commander of the Confederacy's military forces; Leia would replace her father as head of the sect; and Luke would replace his aunt as the head of government.

 

The rise of the One Sith would likewise be short-lived, as no separate galactic government would exist for the Sith to manipulate into waging war. Although defeated militarily, some elements of the One Sith philosophy would be adopted by the Confederacy's Force users to complement beliefs that had already been adopted in the past. By this time, the Confederacy's Force order would most closely resemble the Imperial Knights of the Legacy comic series. The Skywalker dynasty would continue to rule the Galactic Confederacy, which by this time would also include the Chiss Ascendency as a significant member.

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The Galactic Senate would quickly elect a new Supreme Chancellor, who would immediately call upon the Jedi Order to surrender Mace Windu to Republic authorities. Yoda would immediately leave Kashyyyk to reconvene the Jedi Council and institute new members to replace the ones lost in the duel with Sidious. Due to his war hero status and a new need for credibility, Anakin Skywalker would formally be given a seat on the Council. Based on their knowledge of Chancellor Palpatine's status as the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, Grand Master Yoda and the Council would refuse to surrender Mace Windu.

 

The new Chancellor and the Senate, however, would refuse to withdraw their demand and would threaten to declare the Jedi Order "enemies of the Republic" if Mace Windu was not surrendered, arguing that Windu's actions were a coup d'etat. Windu would resign his seat on the Council and his status as a Jedi Master to voluntarily surrender himself, rather than see his beloved Order at odds with the Republic. Windu would be placed on trial. With only Master Skywalker's word that Palpatine had admitted to being a Sith Lord, and thus the one responsible for the ongoing war, Windu would be found guilty of treason and sentenced appropriately.

 

The Jedi Council would split down the middle on deciding how to respond to Windu's conviction. One half, led by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, would argue that the Order maintain its commitment to protecting the Republic, even if the Republic was turning on one of its sworn guardians. The other half, led by Anakin Skywalker, would argue that the Order should no longer recognize the authority of the Senate and the Chancellor, and should instead sever ties with the Republic. These arguments would be mirrored in the ranks of the Order at large, with some younger Jedi leaving the Order entirely.

 

Senator Padmé Amidala would be left with no choice but to resign her position once her marriage to Anakin Skywalker and her pregnancy become public knowledge due to public outrage on Naboo over the death of Palpatine. The Jedi Council and Order would again be split on the issue of this marriage. The conservative, old-guard Jedi would insist that Skywalker be punished in some manner, if not outright expelled from the Order; younger Jedi, however, tempered by war and in awe of the "Hero with No Fear" would argue that the Order should no longer prohibit relationships.

 

Under the weight of these combined disagreements and due to experiences in the war, the Jedi Order would undergo its Fifth Great Schism. Skywalker and his followers would renounce their Jedi titles and depart Coruscant, leaving a diminished Order behind. This new order would more resemble the Jedi Order as depicted in the Tales of the Jedi series - members would be allowed to form attachments, to marry and have families. In fact, members would be encouraged to make use of their emotions to guide their actions through the Force. Skywalker and his followers would model the hierarchy closely upon the Jedi Army of Light, disbanded by the Ruusan Reformation.

 

Meanwhile, the Clone Wars would continue. However, without the leadership of Count Dooku, General Grievous, or Darth Sidious, the Confederacy of Independent Systems would be in the midst of a power vacuum, with no effective leadershiip. As such, many worlds would seek to surrender to and rejoin the Republic, while others would simply seek to consolidate their territory and protect their own worlds, rather than continue to expand. Those worlds that rejoined the Republic would surrender their droid armies, which would be folded into the Grand Army of the Republic. Even the GAR would be affected by the Jedi Schism, as some clonetroopers would desert to follow their former Jedi commanders. Ultimately a stalemate would develop, wherein the CIS would ally with Skywalker's order.

 

Not wanting to be separated from her husband, Padmé Amidala would have followed Anakin Skywalker as he and his followers abandoned the Jedi Order. Skywalker's order would establish itself on the CIS capital Raxus and would be placed in much the same position to the CIS as the Jedi Order was to the Republic. Due to the power vacuum, CIS representatives would initially turn to Amidala for leadership, who would decline due to her pregnancy and continued love of both the Republic and Naboo. Skywalker, as a leading galactic figure and the leader of the CIS's new powerful Force organization, would then be asked to take up the position. He would accept, and would immediately begin reforming the CIS government into a more ordered system with less influence from the business interests. The defecting clonetroopers would form the basis for a new officer corps in the largely droid military, and enlistment would be opened to organics.

 

Amidala and Skywalker's children Qui-Gon and Shmi would be born, and raised by their parents. The CIS - renamed the Galactic Confederacy - would formally become a dynastic system after their birth, with Skywalker's Force order essentially supplanting the previous governmental structures and turning the GC into a hybrid theocratic republic. The Republic would tolerate the existence of the Confederacy out of fear that even the enlarged GAR would not be able to wage a successful war against Skywalker's new government and Force sect. From time to time, Skywalker's rule would be seen by some as "harsh" but his inclination to strike hard at dissent would always be mitigated by his wife. Eventually, Qui-Gon Skywalker would replace his father as high lord of the order, while Shmi Skywalker would take on the responsibility of governing.

 

After the desertion of so many Jedi, Yoda would retire from his position as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and return simply to teaching the Younglings. Obi-Wan Kenobi would replace him, though Kenobi would never again take on a Padawan of his own. The Jedi would continue to serve the Republic in much the same capacity as they had before, though new laws would be passed to create a Security division within the Republic Justice Department. Rather than answering directly to the Supreme Chancellor, the Jedi Order would thus be placed under the purview of the Justice Department and partnered with the Security division. Wherever a Jedi would go, so would a Republic Security Officer. Some Jedi over the years would chafe under this supervision, and thus would defect to the Confederacy or disappear all together.

 

For 15 years following the end of the war, the Confederacy and the Republic would exist in a state of cold war. That would change when the Republic announced its new flagship - the Eye of Palpatine. It would become known that the plans to this space station were found in Palpatine's home during the investigation into his death, but no one would know where the design had actually originated from. Horrified that some members of the

Senate and the Chancellor would secretly approve the construction of a space station capable of destroying entire worlds, several worlds - including Alderaan, under the guidance of Bail Organa - would secede from the Republic and join the Confederacy.

 

A significant point in this new war would come on Naboo, where the Gungans and Naboo would be in a state of civil war. The Gungans would favor secession to join the Confederacy, whereas the Naboo would insist on remaining loyal to the Republic. Grand Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and High Lord Anakin Skywalker would meet on the battlefield for the first time since the latter left the Jedi Order. Skywalker would win the duel but would stop short of killing his old friend, and would order him to withdraw Republic forces from Naboo. Kenobi would return to the Republic in defeat, with Naboo joining the Confederacy, and the Senate would call for the use of the superweapon against Confederate worlds. The weapon would never have a chance to be used, however, as the Geonosians would inform Anakin that they had originally designed the weapon - and it had a fatal flaw. Qui-Gon Skywalker would lead the starfighter strike team against the Eye of Palpatine and would successfully destroy it.

 

Without the superweapon, and with Skywalker's forces continuing to win victory after victory, the Republic would be forced to pull its military back from aggressive expansion into confederate territory. The war would end with a whimper - Padmé would lead the Confederate delegation in the peace negotiations, after the Republic would sue for a cease fire. This time, the Republic and Confederacy would not be in a cold war - the Republic would be forced to accept the prospect that the Confederacy would exist for years to come. Yoda would still pass away at roughly the same time as he did in the real timeline. Kenobi would live on for several more years before passing away.

 

By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the Confederacy would have continued organic growth with new worlds voluntarily joining what they view as a more efficient, less corrupt government that is better prepared to provide for their citizens. During the invasion, it would become clear relatively quickly that the Confederacy was indeed in a better position to combat the Yuuzhan Vong, as defeat after defeat mounted for the Republic. Anakin would once again step into battle to defend his worlds and would die during the war. The Republic would be forced to ally itself with the Confederacy to survive, and in so doing would cease to exist as a separate government. The Confederacy would defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, who would essentially be extinguished from the face of the galaxy.

 

Shmi and Qui-Gon would both marry within the Force sect. Shmi would have one child - a son named Anakin who would grow to prominence in the Yuuzhan Vong War as a respected warrior and commander. Qui-Gon's children Luke and Leia would also distinguish themselves in that conflict. Anakin would later become the Supreme Commander of the Confederacy's military forces; Leia would replace her father as head of the sect; and Luke would replace his aunt as the head of government.

 

The rise of the One Sith would likewise be short-lived, as no separate galactic government would exist for the Sith to manipulate into waging war. Although defeated militarily, some elements of the One Sith philosophy would be adopted by the Confederacy's Force users to complement beliefs that had already been adopted in the past. By this time, the Confederacy's Force order would most closely resemble the Imperial Knights of the Legacy comic series. The Skywalker dynasty would continue to rule the Galactic Confederacy, which by this time would also include the Chiss Ascendency as a significant member.

 

Magnificent!!!!

Outstanding!!!!

Alternate time-lines are indeed fascinating, and I'd love to see this as a series.

Hey, it seems to be working for Star Trek :D.

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The Galactic Senate would quickly elect a new Supreme Chancellor, who would immediately call upon the Jedi Order to surrender Mace Windu to Republic authorities. Yoda would immediately leave Kashyyyk to reconvene the Jedi Council and institute new members to replace the ones lost in the duel with Sidious. Due to his war hero status and a new need for credibility, Anakin Skywalker would formally be given a seat on the Council. Based on their knowledge of Chancellor Palpatine's status as the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, Grand Master Yoda and the Council would refuse to surrender Mace Windu.

 

The new Chancellor and the Senate, however, would refuse to withdraw their demand and would threaten to declare the Jedi Order "enemies of the Republic" if Mace Windu was not surrendered, arguing that Windu's actions were a coup d'etat. Windu would resign his seat on the Council and his status as a Jedi Master to voluntarily surrender himself, rather than see his beloved Order at odds with the Republic. Windu would be placed on trial. With only Master Skywalker's word that Palpatine had admitted to being a Sith Lord, and thus the one responsible for the ongoing war, Windu would be found guilty of treason and sentenced appropriately.

 

The Jedi Council would split down the middle on deciding how to respond to Windu's conviction. One half, led by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, would argue that the Order maintain its commitment to protecting the Republic, even if the Republic was turning on one of its sworn guardians. The other half, led by Anakin Skywalker, would argue that the Order should no longer recognize the authority of the Senate and the Chancellor, and should instead sever ties with the Republic. These arguments would be mirrored in the ranks of the Order at large, with some younger Jedi leaving the Order entirely.

 

Senator Padmé Amidala would be left with no choice but to resign her position once her marriage to Anakin Skywalker and her pregnancy become public knowledge due to public outrage on Naboo over the death of Palpatine. The Jedi Council and Order would again be split on the issue of this marriage. The conservative, old-guard Jedi would insist that Skywalker be punished in some manner, if not outright expelled from the Order; younger Jedi, however, tempered by war and in awe of the "Hero with No Fear" would argue that the Order should no longer prohibit relationships.

 

Under the weight of these combined disagreements and due to experiences in the war, the Jedi Order would undergo its Fifth Great Schism. Skywalker and his followers would renounce their Jedi titles and depart Coruscant, leaving a diminished Order behind. This new order would more resemble the Jedi Order as depicted in the Tales of the Jedi series - members would be allowed to form attachments, to marry and have families. In fact, members would be encouraged to make use of their emotions to guide their actions through the Force. Skywalker and his followers would model the hierarchy closely upon the Jedi Army of Light, disbanded by the Ruusan Reformation.

 

Meanwhile, the Clone Wars would continue. However, without the leadership of Count Dooku, General Grievous, or Darth Sidious, the Confederacy of Independent Systems would be in the midst of a power vacuum, with no effective leadershiip. As such, many worlds would seek to surrender to and rejoin the Republic, while others would simply seek to consolidate their territory and protect their own worlds, rather than continue to expand. Those worlds that rejoined the Republic would surrender their droid armies, which would be folded into the Grand Army of the Republic. Even the GAR would be affected by the Jedi Schism, as some clonetroopers would desert to follow their former Jedi commanders. Ultimately a stalemate would develop, wherein the CIS would ally with Skywalker's order.

 

Not wanting to be separated from her husband, Padmé Amidala would have followed Anakin Skywalker as he and his followers abandoned the Jedi Order. Skywalker's order would establish itself on the CIS capital Raxus and would be placed in much the same position to the CIS as the Jedi Order was to the Republic. Due to the power vacuum, CIS representatives would initially turn to Amidala for leadership, who would decline due to her pregnancy and continued love of both the Republic and Naboo. Skywalker, as a leading galactic figure and the leader of the CIS's new powerful Force organization, would then be asked to take up the position. He would accept, and would immediately begin reforming the CIS government into a more ordered system with less influence from the business interests. The defecting clonetroopers would form the basis for a new officer corps in the largely droid military, and enlistment would be opened to organics.

 

Amidala and Skywalker's children Qui-Gon and Shmi would be born, and raised by their parents. The CIS - renamed the Galactic Confederacy - would formally become a dynastic system after their birth, with Skywalker's Force order essentially supplanting the previous governmental structures and turning the GC into a hybrid theocratic republic. The Republic would tolerate the existence of the Confederacy out of fear that even the enlarged GAR would not be able to wage a successful war against Skywalker's new government and Force sect. From time to time, Skywalker's rule would be seen by some as "harsh" but his inclination to strike hard at dissent would always be mitigated by his wife. Eventually, Qui-Gon Skywalker would replace his father as high lord of the order, while Shmi Skywalker would take on the responsibility of governing.

 

After the desertion of so many Jedi, Yoda would retire from his position as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and return simply to teaching the Younglings. Obi-Wan Kenobi would replace him, though Kenobi would never again take on a Padawan of his own. The Jedi would continue to serve the Republic in much the same capacity as they had before, though new laws would be passed to create a Security division within the Republic Justice Department. Rather than answering directly to the Supreme Chancellor, the Jedi Order would thus be placed under the purview of the Justice Department and partnered with the Security division. Wherever a Jedi would go, so would a Republic Security Officer. Some Jedi over the years would chafe under this supervision, and thus would defect to the Confederacy or disappear all together.

 

For 15 years following the end of the war, the Confederacy and the Republic would exist in a state of cold war. That would change when the Republic announced its new flagship - the Eye of Palpatine. It would become known that the plans to this space station were found in Palpatine's home during the investigation into his death, but no one would know where the design had actually originated from. Horrified that some members of the

Senate and the Chancellor would secretly approve the construction of a space station capable of destroying entire worlds, several worlds - including Alderaan, under the guidance of Bail Organa - would secede from the Republic and join the Confederacy.

 

A significant point in this new war would come on Naboo, where the Gungans and Naboo would be in a state of civil war. The Gungans would favor secession to join the Confederacy, whereas the Naboo would insist on remaining loyal to the Republic. Grand Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and High Lord Anakin Skywalker would meet on the battlefield for the first time since the latter left the Jedi Order. Skywalker would win the duel but would stop short of killing his old friend, and would order him to withdraw Republic forces from Naboo. Kenobi would return to the Republic in defeat, with Naboo joining the Confederacy, and the Senate would call for the use of the superweapon against Confederate worlds. The weapon would never have a chance to be used, however, as the Geonosians would inform Anakin that they had originally designed the weapon - and it had a fatal flaw. Qui-Gon Skywalker would lead the starfighter strike team against the Eye of Palpatine and would successfully destroy it.

 

Without the superweapon, and with Skywalker's forces continuing to win victory after victory, the Republic would be forced to pull its military back from aggressive expansion into confederate territory. The war would end with a whimper - Padmé would lead the Confederate delegation in the peace negotiations, after the Republic would sue for a cease fire. This time, the Republic and Confederacy would not be in a cold war - the Republic would be forced to accept the prospect that the Confederacy would exist for years to come. Yoda would still pass away at roughly the same time as he did in the real timeline. Kenobi would live on for several more years before passing away.

 

By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the Confederacy would have continued organic growth with new worlds voluntarily joining what they view as a more efficient, less corrupt government that is better prepared to provide for their citizens. During the invasion, it would become clear relatively quickly that the Confederacy was indeed in a better position to combat the Yuuzhan Vong, as defeat after defeat mounted for the Republic. Anakin would once again step into battle to defend his worlds and would die during the war. The Republic would be forced to ally itself with the Confederacy to survive, and in so doing would cease to exist as a separate government. The Confederacy would defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, who would essentially be extinguished from the face of the galaxy.

 

Shmi and Qui-Gon would both marry within the Force sect. Shmi would have one child - a son named Anakin who would grow to prominence in the Yuuzhan Vong War as a respected warrior and commander. Qui-Gon's children Luke and Leia would also distinguish themselves in that conflict. Anakin would later become the Supreme Commander of the Confederacy's military forces; Leia would replace her father as head of the sect; and Luke would replace his aunt as the head of government.

 

The rise of the One Sith would likewise be short-lived, as no separate galactic government would exist for the Sith to manipulate into waging war. Although defeated militarily, some elements of the One Sith philosophy would be adopted by the Confederacy's Force users to complement beliefs that had already been adopted in the past. By this time, the Confederacy's Force order would most closely resemble the Imperial Knights of the Legacy comic series. The Skywalker dynasty would continue to rule the Galactic Confederacy, which by this time would also include the Chiss Ascendency as a significant member.

 

That's kinda brilliant.

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Hi, everyone. I don't know about others, but I enjoy speculating on "what ifs" in various stories. For this one, let's suppose that Mace Windu somehow managed to successfully kill Palpatine before Anakin arrived, and, although probably upset, Anakin somehow managed to barely avoid turning to the dark side. What are your thoughts on what would happen?

 

Would Anakin's secret marriage to Padme and his fathering of children be discovered?

 

Would Anakin be expelled from the Jedi Order, and, if so, would he later turn to the dark side?

 

Would Padme live on to be a mother to Luke and Leia?

 

Would Luke and Leia be taken in as Jedi Younglings/Padawans?

 

If Luke and Leia ended up as Padawans, who would be their respective Masters? (In this case, I think Obi-Wan Kenobi would still end up training Luke, and Ashoka Tano or Bariss Offee would be Leia's Master).

 

What would happen to all the Clone Troopers?

 

After Palpatine's death, would the war continue, or would the Seperatist Droid Armies be defeated?

 

I like these, mostly. Here's my take on the questions.

1. Obi-wan had his suspicions about Anakin and Padme and I believe he would have figured it out. In the movie Padme's shamed silence at Ob-wans question of Anakin being the father actually takes place after Windu and Papa Palpatine fight so that event wouldn't have happened in this scenerio.

2. Yes, Anakin would have been expelled. From reading the books, Obi-wan had a fling with another Jedi named Siri. The Masters found out about it and gave them a choice, their love or the Order. Which makes me wonder to what lengths he would have gone to to help Anakin and Padme knowing that several years earlier he was in the same position.

3. It's said that Padme died of a broken heart. Her will to live crushed. So I believe that yes she would have lived.

4. Despite being expelled from the Order and most likely forbidden to do so, I believe that Anakin would have in fact trained Luke and Leia to the best of his ability.

5. The Clones would most likely have been used to defeat the remaining Droid Army and eventually ended up as GA soldiers serving along side the Jedi. In fact, they would have been a great asset during the Vong wars had they still been around.

 

This is all just how I envision the scenario playing out. I'm sure everyone has their own version.

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The Galactic Senate would quickly elect a new Supreme Chancellor, who would immediately call upon the Jedi Order to surrender Mace Windu to Republic authorities. Yoda would immediately leave Kashyyyk to reconvene the Jedi Council and institute new members to replace the ones lost in the duel with Sidious. Due to his war hero status and a new need for credibility, Anakin Skywalker would formally be given a seat on the Council. Based on their knowledge of Chancellor Palpatine's status as the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, Grand Master Yoda and the Council would refuse to surrender Mace Windu.

 

The new Chancellor and the Senate, however, would refuse to withdraw their demand and would threaten to declare the Jedi Order "enemies of the Republic" if Mace Windu was not surrendered, arguing that Windu's actions were a coup d'etat. Windu would resign his seat on the Council and his status as a Jedi Master to voluntarily surrender himself, rather than see his beloved Order at odds with the Republic. Windu would be placed on trial. With only Master Skywalker's word that Palpatine had admitted to being a Sith Lord, and thus the one responsible for the ongoing war, Windu would be found guilty of treason and sentenced appropriately.

 

The Jedi Council would split down the middle on deciding how to respond to Windu's conviction. One half, led by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, would argue that the Order maintain its commitment to protecting the Republic, even if the Republic was turning on one of its sworn guardians. The other half, led by Anakin Skywalker, would argue that the Order should no longer recognize the authority of the Senate and the Chancellor, and should instead sever ties with the Republic. These arguments would be mirrored in the ranks of the Order at large, with some younger Jedi leaving the Order entirely.

 

Senator Padmé Amidala would be left with no choice but to resign her position once her marriage to Anakin Skywalker and her pregnancy become public knowledge due to public outrage on Naboo over the death of Palpatine. The Jedi Council and Order would again be split on the issue of this marriage. The conservative, old-guard Jedi would insist that Skywalker be punished in some manner, if not outright expelled from the Order; younger Jedi, however, tempered by war and in awe of the "Hero with No Fear" would argue that the Order should no longer prohibit relationships.

 

Under the weight of these combined disagreements and due to experiences in the war, the Jedi Order would undergo its Fifth Great Schism. Skywalker and his followers would renounce their Jedi titles and depart Coruscant, leaving a diminished Order behind. This new order would more resemble the Jedi Order as depicted in the Tales of the Jedi series - members would be allowed to form attachments, to marry and have families. In fact, members would be encouraged to make use of their emotions to guide their actions through the Force. Skywalker and his followers would model the hierarchy closely upon the Jedi Army of Light, disbanded by the Ruusan Reformation.

 

Meanwhile, the Clone Wars would continue. However, without the leadership of Count Dooku, General Grievous, or Darth Sidious, the Confederacy of Independent Systems would be in the midst of a power vacuum, with no effective leadershiip. As such, many worlds would seek to surrender to and rejoin the Republic, while others would simply seek to consolidate their territory and protect their own worlds, rather than continue to expand. Those worlds that rejoined the Republic would surrender their droid armies, which would be folded into the Grand Army of the Republic. Even the GAR would be affected by the Jedi Schism, as some clonetroopers would desert to follow their former Jedi commanders. Ultimately a stalemate would develop, wherein the CIS would ally with Skywalker's order.

 

Not wanting to be separated from her husband, Padmé Amidala would have followed Anakin Skywalker as he and his followers abandoned the Jedi Order. Skywalker's order would establish itself on the CIS capital Raxus and would be placed in much the same position to the CIS as the Jedi Order was to the Republic. Due to the power vacuum, CIS representatives would initially turn to Amidala for leadership, who would decline due to her pregnancy and continued love of both the Republic and Naboo. Skywalker, as a leading galactic figure and the leader of the CIS's new powerful Force organization, would then be asked to take up the position. He would accept, and would immediately begin reforming the CIS government into a more ordered system with less influence from the business interests. The defecting clonetroopers would form the basis for a new officer corps in the largely droid military, and enlistment would be opened to organics.

 

Amidala and Skywalker's children Qui-Gon and Shmi would be born, and raised by their parents. The CIS - renamed the Galactic Confederacy - would formally become a dynastic system after their birth, with Skywalker's Force order essentially supplanting the previous governmental structures and turning the GC into a hybrid theocratic republic. The Republic would tolerate the existence of the Confederacy out of fear that even the enlarged GAR would not be able to wage a successful war against Skywalker's new government and Force sect. From time to time, Skywalker's rule would be seen by some as "harsh" but his inclination to strike hard at dissent would always be mitigated by his wife. Eventually, Qui-Gon Skywalker would replace his father as high lord of the order, while Shmi Skywalker would take on the responsibility of governing.

 

After the desertion of so many Jedi, Yoda would retire from his position as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and return simply to teaching the Younglings. Obi-Wan Kenobi would replace him, though Kenobi would never again take on a Padawan of his own. The Jedi would continue to serve the Republic in much the same capacity as they had before, though new laws would be passed to create a Security division within the Republic Justice Department. Rather than answering directly to the Supreme Chancellor, the Jedi Order would thus be placed under the purview of the Justice Department and partnered with the Security division. Wherever a Jedi would go, so would a Republic Security Officer. Some Jedi over the years would chafe under this supervision, and thus would defect to the Confederacy or disappear all together.

 

For 15 years following the end of the war, the Confederacy and the Republic would exist in a state of cold war. That would change when the Republic announced its new flagship - the Eye of Palpatine. It would become known that the plans to this space station were found in Palpatine's home during the investigation into his death, but no one would know where the design had actually originated from. Horrified that some members of the

Senate and the Chancellor would secretly approve the construction of a space station capable of destroying entire worlds, several worlds - including Alderaan, under the guidance of Bail Organa - would secede from the Republic and join the Confederacy.

 

A significant point in this new war would come on Naboo, where the Gungans and Naboo would be in a state of civil war. The Gungans would favor secession to join the Confederacy, whereas the Naboo would insist on remaining loyal to the Republic. Grand Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and High Lord Anakin Skywalker would meet on the battlefield for the first time since the latter left the Jedi Order. Skywalker would win the duel but would stop short of killing his old friend, and would order him to withdraw Republic forces from Naboo. Kenobi would return to the Republic in defeat, with Naboo joining the Confederacy, and the Senate would call for the use of the superweapon against Confederate worlds. The weapon would never have a chance to be used, however, as the Geonosians would inform Anakin that they had originally designed the weapon - and it had a fatal flaw. Qui-Gon Skywalker would lead the starfighter strike team against the Eye of Palpatine and would successfully destroy it.

 

Without the superweapon, and with Skywalker's forces continuing to win victory after victory, the Republic would be forced to pull its military back from aggressive expansion into confederate territory. The war would end with a whimper - Padmé would lead the Confederate delegation in the peace negotiations, after the Republic would sue for a cease fire. This time, the Republic and Confederacy would not be in a cold war - the Republic would be forced to accept the prospect that the Confederacy would exist for years to come. Yoda would still pass away at roughly the same time as he did in the real timeline. Kenobi would live on for several more years before passing away.

 

By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, the Confederacy would have continued organic growth with new worlds voluntarily joining what they view as a more efficient, less corrupt government that is better prepared to provide for their citizens. During the invasion, it would become clear relatively quickly that the Confederacy was indeed in a better position to combat the Yuuzhan Vong, as defeat after defeat mounted for the Republic. Anakin would once again step into battle to defend his worlds and would die during the war. The Republic would be forced to ally itself with the Confederacy to survive, and in so doing would cease to exist as a separate government. The Confederacy would defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, who would essentially be extinguished from the face of the galaxy.

 

Shmi and Qui-Gon would both marry within the Force sect. Shmi would have one child - a son named Anakin who would grow to prominence in the Yuuzhan Vong War as a respected warrior and commander. Qui-Gon's children Luke and Leia would also distinguish themselves in that conflict. Anakin would later become the Supreme Commander of the Confederacy's military forces; Leia would replace her father as head of the sect; and Luke would replace his aunt as the head of government.

 

The rise of the One Sith would likewise be short-lived, as no separate galactic government would exist for the Sith to manipulate into waging war. Although defeated militarily, some elements of the One Sith philosophy would be adopted by the Confederacy's Force users to complement beliefs that had already been adopted in the past. By this time, the Confederacy's Force order would most closely resemble the Imperial Knights of the Legacy comic series. The Skywalker dynasty would continue to rule the Galactic Confederacy, which by this time would also include the Chiss Ascendency as a significant member.

 

Write a book please.

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