borkbork Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) It would be a great day if they put in /xpoff so people like myself could enjoy the game at a stage where I can play on equal terms. An even better idea were to give me the customer the option to choose what league I'd like to play or implement a system where you move up if you are good. Just like soccer leauges hint hint L33t players will frag this post since they get a high from trashing noobs like me. The first MMO that implements this will get many happy customers. Gear crutch players will suffer though. Then again I'm just a noob that gonna stay in 1-49 untill I tire of SWTOR Edited January 19, 2012 by borkbork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serovan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It just shows clearly that giving people pvp gear, and an overwhelming advantage makes pvp a horrid mess. It gets unbalanced, it becomes frustrating for all but the most dedicated who essentially make their characters invincible, yet claim to be the best... there is no spirit of competition. I think the 10-49 bracket is great, the bolstering buff does its job well and you can actually have some FAIR games. What i don't get is these "hard core" pvpers, who want this super gear, so they can what... dominate players who don't stand a chance? That isnt pvp anymore. You arent demonstrating skill anymore.. you are asleep at your keyboard, clicking 1 to 3 buttons. Expertise just needs to go. There should be no gear advantage in pvp. Just skill advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VahlkThasan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Twinked L49's are not as strong as you think. In fact the only real noticeable difference would be from the fact it would be a premade group of 49s rather than their gear. ^This. Level 49 here and although I received a great many kills/objectives, I still died as much as the rest of them. I'm embarrassed to admit I got schooled by a level 34! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOuterspace Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I agree 100%. Reminds me of pvp servers in EQ2 when level locking was allowed and a lot of people locked in at level 11 and made the newb areas full-o-fun for hours and hours on end. I remember having around 5 level 11s. Druid was OP though. Yessssss! Level locking in EQ2 was awesome! Then of course SOE took it away for whatever reason... I'm enjoying low level PvP again as well. Actually feels like PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockfrosted Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Chanell was the char most people knew, though Sheryn ended up being more active after they actually stopped nerfing engineers (temporarily). I play "Chanel" on Zez-Kai Ell if you ever feel like exchanging pointless humor. ;p As for the other points: Nope. I monitored Ilum for six hours of ZKE's prime time and there wasn't any farming going on. Most folks I've seen in Ilum was 3. I also spent nearly 6 hours in queue, though my lvl 50 republic friends report short queue times and fun matches, so it really is a faction issue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehneu Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It had a different feel for it no doubt. For example, it felt like damage was nerfed as in comparison to the previous matches. My damage output was way down when looking at pre-patch matches and the ones yesterday. I have to wonder if they scaled the buff back then as well. The changes to cooldowns were throwing me off so much as well. I think those all affected my game play within the WZ's in a negative way. Perhaps it will just take some time to get used to it. Otherwise, was nice to see players of whom actually were taking damage. lol Will see in due time if I personally like the bracket or not. I am undecided until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriarChuggs Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The level 50 PvP field will look a lot like teh 10-49 field right now when the majority of the player base hits 50. It will then be filled with lots of casual players and only a handful of premades/hard geared players. (similar to the effect of having a level 49 against a level 10, when 49 has all his skills and talents). BW did say that the majority of characters are in their 20s right now, but I suspect a lot of that is alts or true-casual players, and that the average level of most regular players is in the 40s now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanchong Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I agree. I'm thinking of re-rolling every time I hit lvl 49. There is actually skill involved in PVP now. Its not skill imo if you dominate because you have the best gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiaaa Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Because destroying lowbies with lvl 49 twinks, is anything better then having lvl 50s in same bracket? Just lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaniardInfinity Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I am actually considering leveling up a second Vanguard, simply because of how much fun I've had in PvP sub-50 bracket. For the first time, there was actually something resembling teamwork and cooperation, and dare I say it, enjoyment in the (PvP) gameplay. I could stand up to enemies in their upper 40s, while not being invincible to those below me. To me, that's exactly how multiplayer combat should be, but understand in an MMO where stats are so important that may never truly be the case. I really do regret levelling my Commando to 50 so fast now. I more or less leveled him to 40 without more than 10 hours in PvP, and as a result, I frankly play PvP like it. While it might say I'm Lv50, I undoubtedly play like a Lv30 (but experise is starting to have a noticeable improvement, and hopefully then it will become enjoyable again). As a side note, I'd support a Expertise-free Level 50 bracket, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volkkor Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 If you actually have fun doing 10-49 WZ and maybe the rare world PvP while leveling, would you opt out of end-game PvP entirely? That is, if you could continue to play in the 10-49 bracket, but you could not gain the rewards of level 50 PvP, including Illum, would you? My alt is creeping up on 50 and it just makes me want to make another alt. Long queue times, uber valor/gear/expertise gaps, faction balance issues, Illum mechanics being a work in progress... I actually enjoy 10-49 PvP, why would I want to trade it for this crap? If I could level-lock I would--not because I want to twink what little there is to twink, but because 10-49 is better PvP. Just curious if anyone else out there is avoiding level 50 PvP and/or enjoying 10-49 PvP. Ummm if you don't have a lvl 50, how can you say that 10-49 is better pvp? I'm sith on an heavily imbalanced server in favor of the sith. I haven't noticed much difference at all in queue times and the pvp so far has been incredible. Only just hit 50 Monday so I only have about 4 pieces of gear so far. I haven't had much of an issue with survivability unless I was severely outnumbered. Bad thread is bad, k thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDutch Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Because destroying lowbies with lvl 49 twinks, is anything better then having lvl 50s in same bracket? Just lol... Like any level 49 gear compares to rating 140 epics with expertise. There is no gear that's even in the same ball-park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiaaa Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You can stack expertise from pvp weapons in to your gear with mods, nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox_McCloud Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah, I have to say, expertise does really make me wonder why join in level 50 pvp? If they removed expertise from pvp, then they could balance the game properly. This is not an area they should have copy and pasted WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanchong Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Because destroying lowbies with lvl 49 twinks, is anything better then having lvl 50s in same bracket? Just lol... Its not as lopsided as you think. Many 40s get rolled by lower lvl players that actually know what skills to use in a particular situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDutch Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 You can stack expertise from pvp weapons in to your gear with mods, nothing new. For a grand total of 150 expertise, aka 4.33% bonus. This also comes at the cost of the stat expertise is taking up based on the item rating, so you're talking about less than a 4% in/out bonus on items that are like 40 out of 140 rating lower than the best level 50 pvp gear. Like I said, it's not even in the same ball-park. Comparing twinked level 49s to what lower level people had to play against a couple days ago is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiaaa Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Then at that point, is better to make another bracket from 40-49. Instead of having lvls 10 in same warzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDutch Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Then at that point, is better to make another bracket from 40-49. Instead of having lvls 10 in same warzone. When you have anywhere near as many level 10s coming to the forum complaining about level 49s for the hour that they play the game and stay level 10... instead of lower levels coming to the forum and saying how awesome WZs are now... then yeah, at that point maybe we'll need another bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayshadow Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 If you actually have fun doing 10-49 WZ and maybe the rare world PvP while leveling, would you opt out of end-game PvP entirely? That is, if you could continue to play in the 10-49 bracket, but you could not gain the rewards of level 50 PvP, including Illum, would you? My alt is creeping up on 50 and it just makes me want to make another alt. Long queue times, uber valor/gear/expertise gaps, faction balance issues, Illum mechanics being a work in progress... I actually enjoy 10-49 PvP, why would I want to trade it for this crap? If I could level-lock I would--not because I want to twink what little there is to twink, but because 10-49 is better PvP. Just curious if anyone else out there is avoiding level 50 PvP and/or enjoying 10-49 PvP. This thread is alot more friendly then mine http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=198904 My thread is full of idiots who don't seem to PvP at all making uninformed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlpirate Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yep, I honestly see myself just rolling alt after alt for pvp now and limiting my main to pve. FPS and RTS communities would be enraged if playing a game longer gave their opponents a mathematical advantage =p fps and rts? try any competitive communtiy. just say no to lvl 50. Entering as a fresh 50 to fight BM geared players isnt gonna be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crujido Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Because the average casual can't keep up with someone who put time into the game. I actually can't believe there are topics saying "I don't want to level anymore so I can pvp against lowbies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlpirate Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You can stack expertise from pvp weapons in to your gear with mods, nothing new. 500+ comms per weapon. I dont even think this is even worth doin at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halefthaut Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yesterday's low-level PvP made me buy a gamecard and keep playing . http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1855993#post1855993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasherUK Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They should let us freeze experince gain at 49. Or remove expertise gear and put everyone in the same warzones again. Level 50 pvp queues are just to long on some realms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaviyago Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Couldn't agree more that 10-49 PvP was much, much more enjoyable. But would it make me shy away from level 50 PvP? I'll have to see when I get there. I have already seen PUG Flashpoint groups requiring characters to be "geared", and I can imagine that these same people would probably drop out of a Warzone at the beginning if they Inspect a fellow teammate and see they are not "geared". When this crap starts to happen then I will forfeit level 50 PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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