If you enjoy 10-49 PvP, why 50?

[BourbonDingo]

There is no way that I know of to twink a 49 that would make them something worthy of whining. If you pull all the expertise from level 46 weapons and drop it in the orange PvP set then you get a total of 150 expertise, which comes out to like +4% (also consider this is sacrificing those stat allowance points, so it's an even smaller difference).

 

Besides, level locking might not even be necessary. They could just make it to where you could queue for unranked WZ as 50, and debolster your stats to a level compatible with 10-49. If they went that route they'd have to make sure they locked the rewards of regular level 50 PvP in some way... but I digress.

 

My point was really that gear treadmills ruin PvP, and we have a great example right here because a lot of people can see how it was before/after having your success determined by someone elses gear. The Illum issues and faction balance are directly related... which becomes more of a problem because of how it affects valor and in turn... gear.

 

It's like the game is going great until you hit 50 and then you have to deal with all this balance and counter-balance just to cater to gear whores. Seems like such a waste to satisfy a group that you can never appease for too long, while the people that would be content otherwise pay the price.

 

I wouldn't mind the de-bolster method, but I'd appreciate it even more if they made unranked Warzones just turn off Expertise on all gear.

 

Also, level locking would be okay if they made you do it at about mid-level. 35 or so.

[Almghty_gir]

can't count the amount of times that i said expertise should go, that it was what caused the problems that without it the bolster system would work...

 

nobody listened, and now everyone is crying that 50 queue times are too long, and that pre 50 pvp is the best experience... who'd have thought it.

[BDutch]

I wouldn't mind the de-bolster method, but I'd appreciate it even more if they made unranked Warzones just turn off Expertise on all gear.

 

Also, level locking would be okay if they made you do it at about mid-level. 35 or so.

 

I'd be fine with either as well. Basically whatever yielded the smallest advantage/disadvantage, and I don't even really care which side of that I'd be on.

[OldManRelic]

Yes the patch fixed 1-49 pvp, but it broke 50 pvp. I know eventually there will be a high enough population of 50's that it will eventually balance out. But right now it just sucks. I liked it the way it was before. Each team had 50's and they singled each other out, love hate relationship. I dont even want to pvp on my main anymore, to stressful. And the wait is so long, that if you dont win, it just SUCKS.

 

No, what happened is that certain level 50's found the lowest level player on the other side that they could and repeatedly violated them in horrific, immoral ways.

Edited January 19, 2012 by OldManRelic

[BDutch]

No, what happened is that certain level 50's found the lowest level player on the other side that they could and repeatedly violated them in horrific, immoral ways.

 

*raises hand* Guilty.

[Crazyknight]

Really enjoying pvp atm and have no rush to reach 50s pvp aside from the fact I am questing a lot but hopefully when we all reach level 50 we can make end game pvp fun also.

[Qilz]

Yes the patch fixed 1-49 pvp, but it broke 50 pvp. I know eventually there will be a high enough population of 50's that it will eventually balance out. But right now it just sucks. I liked it the way it was before. Each team had 50's and they singled each other out, love hate relationship. I dont even want to pvp on my main anymore, to stressful. And the wait is so long, that if you dont win, it just SUCKS.

 

Hey Drama Llama...just go sulk in a corner. You post different crap in every thread you enter. You basically wanted to farm noobs and that's all you were good at. No 50's singled out other 50's. I abandoned my 50 because it was boring.

 

Here's you quote from the valor thread:

 

I made 15k+ valor last night from doing WZs why should i get punished?

 

If nothing is popping, how did you get all that valor in WZ's? Then you went and posted a crybaby "50's pvp sucks" thread. If you want to see the suck, look in the mirror.

[Syrocc]

try playing on a sub lvl20 alt and still get owned by 40+

 

you guys seem happy with your lvl40 alts in a 10-49 bracket, still unbalanced and the side with the higher lvls wins just because thats how the talent trees work and give u advantages over somone with less points spent

 

i woudnt mind if gear would mean nothing in pvp and rewards would be just rank/ratings and maybe gear upgrades which bring only bonuses outside of warzones.

 

inside a warzone everyone should be set to default level 50 stats with 0 stat gear

 

You are completely wrong. I've been lvling my powertech from lvl 14 (after sprint) to currently 28 almost only by pvping. Without bragging, I can say that I've been in the top 3 players of my team almost constantly, once I got the hang of the class.

Last night, after the patch, I've been top 1 in all my games, reaching even 11 medals (without Biochem). And yea, I did get pounded by 40+ players, and then, I pounded some myself.

 

Sure, a lvl 47 will always be harder to beat than a lvl 11, however, now, given you know how, you have the POSSIBILITY! Something we never had before when fighting lvl 50's.

 

So, if you learn to play your character, you will find that the new pvp brackets are a lot better (not perfectly) balanced, giving anyone a fighting chance.

[Shockfrosted]

I love being 50.

I was one of the few, who leveled their char exclusively through questing (90% solo) because I genuinely enjoyed the stories and ideas.

 

Let's not kid ourselves, TOR didn't exactly invent the wheel. However, I noticed trademark Bioware writing in so many quests on so many planets, I kept coming back for the actual quest grind. Silly, I know.

 

So when someone tells me to roll an alt and play that for PvP, I must ask... Why?

There's no legitimate reason why 50 PvP shouldn't happen. It comes down to taste.

 

So personally? No, I wouldn't succumb to twinking, I've done that in '05 and it was a hell of a lot more complex than it is in the WoW era, where twinking is simplified to a game of right clicking.

 

 

Having said that:

I would appreciate if people could stop leveling and play their twink PvP experiences!

Many of my friends greatly enjoy the lower levels and the PvP content thereof, I don't see why they shouldn't be entitled to their fun. After all, I'm asking to have mine as well, it's only fair everybody gets to enjoy the whole game the way they want to.

 

I'm certain this is something that'll come eventually, I'd just encourage some patience and humility to accompany the wishes.

The fact that you feel so passionately about un-implemented (or broken) game features, means there's some affection for the game there. Take a sip of iced tea, think about something else to do, enjoy yourself.

Anger isn't that healthy.

[Syrocc]

Anger isn't that healthy.

 

Peace is a lie!

 

Just kidding, agreed with what you've said. And I took your 05 twinking experience as a hint to Anarchy Online. Might be wrong tho!

[Shockfrosted]

Peace is a lie!

 

Just kidding, agreed with what you've said. And I took your 05 twinking experience as a hint to Anarchy Online. Might be wrong tho!

 

You're correct.

Twinking in DAoC wasn't really doing it for me, then I learned of the wonderful world of wrangle begging.

Ended up playing it '02 to '08.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Shockfrosted
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[Spifnar]

Just so you all know, L50 PvP is still fun. The sides are a bit more even now that there are less free-kills on each side. And I just hit 50 five days ago, so I'm not waxing nostaligic about beating up on lowbies.

 

Expertise on gear was never even HALF of the issue:

 

• Consumables: stims, adrenals, medpacks and pvp consumables (mostly fixed)
   
  
• L50s geared out in Lvl 50-55 purples (Champ gear) beating on L30's in blues from a couple levels back (completely fixed)
   
  
• Then add expertise on the Cent/Champ/BM gear
  

 

But anyway. I'm looking forward to PvP levelling an alt...but PvP on my main at 50 is still fun. Ilum is not just kill trading (well, technically that's *all* world PvP is), it's moving more towards what people think world PvP should be.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Spifnar

[Syrocc]

Same here, played since 02 or 09 or so. And I still miss the twinking there. Did you play on RK1 or RK2?

[Shockfrosted]

RK1.

 

I was a part of the infamous Synergy Factor for the longest (and best) time in the game.

[ZenBones]

Level-50 warzones actually weren't bad last night either. We actually had some wins, as Republic, and I wasn't just getting steamrolled by the enemy team constantly. Sometimes, but not constantly. (for reference, I just hit 50 this week and have no PVP gear).

 

But I'm guessing most of the Imperial uber-geared twinks were spawn camping in Illum instead of hitting the warzones, which leveled the playing field a bit. My evidence for this is that we had a Republic-vs-Republic Huttball last night, which I hadn't seen before.

[Syrocc]

I most likely know you then, played as Xtralmofo/Syrock there. Glad to see oldschool MMO'ers in SWTOR

[Heru-Ra]

Lol i stop tryign lvl to and kinda actually enjoy pvp more.

 

they still need to make more world pvp and able to recieve valor from wordly pvp

 

also need gear system for low lvls its only lv20,lv40,lv50 pvp gears

 

and level 50 in Ilum get like 200 valor per kill ***?

[Tirithius]

I'm lvl 45 and I couln't be happier about it.

 

See you guys on the Void Star.

[Catlana]

Lol i stop tryign lvl to and kinda actually enjoy pvp more.

 

they still need to make more world pvp and able to recieve valor from wordly pvp

 

also need gear system for low lvls its only lv20,lv40,lv50 pvp gears

 

and level 50 in Ilum get like 200 valor per kill ***?

 

Ilum was a complete f-up, but the new brackets have made low level pvp more fun. I would prefer to not hit 50 on my alt anymore.

[Caeliux]

PvP is so fun now in the 1-49, I am loving it.

[maradigamer]

It's nice that pre-50 pvp is reborn. But if they allow a level lock, a quick accumulation of decked out level 49 premade teams will kill it again.

[VahlkThasan]

Wouldn't it make sense to just make Expertise and Non-Expertise WZ's? So you can select which WZ you want to enter. If you have expertise gear and select the Non-Expertise WZ, you will receive a DEBUFF much like the BUFF currently in game?

[Val-Shoreil]

I have to reply to this. And I have to agree.

 

Have had an almost maxed BM for weeks now. And i is boring and dull without comparison.

 

Now I have a low level knight. and no expetise and no uber gear difference. PvP is so much more enjoyable I could quite litterally do it all day. And will more than likely do all of my levelling through this apart from the main story line.

 

Lvl 50 pvp is a total disaster

remove the expertise stat. let people wear what they want and this game will shine again

First we had win trading

Now we have secret groups trading kills in secret locations due to factional imbalances on our server.

 

And what's up with Valor.. I made over 15k valor in less than an hour on Ilum yesterday.. patch 1.1 is ... worst mistake in an mmo apart from SWG CU and NGE

 

Val

Edited January 19, 2012 by Val-Shoreil

[ColoBones]

Yup, I agree too!

 

I never even got to 50 with my main, I was so frustrated with pvp pre-patch that I rolled up some alts just for fun. Now I am enjoying all my characters in all phases of the game, but especially PvP.

 

ZERO incentive for me reach 50 at the moment.

[DrekorSilverfang]

It's nice that pre-50 pvp is reborn. But if they allow a level lock, a quick accumulation of decked out level 49 premade teams will kill it again.

 

Twinked L49's are not as strong as you think. In fact the only real noticeable difference would be from the fact it would be a premade group of 49s rather than their gear.