Nyghoma Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Thanks for being total spineless developers and not putting the dmg and evasion nerf in your patch notes BW. Zero compensation or trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryvirath Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Could you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsenex Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yes please post your findings and give a comparative analysis against previous values.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyghoma Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Yes please post your findings and give a comparative analysis against previous values.... I'm working on it. But currently I'm hitting for about 30% less dmg then I was yesterday with my full attack chain. Evasion is easy. It's simply is not removing any dots on you at all. Avoidance training is now a sham. Edited January 19, 2012 by Nyghoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrdude Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah I was assuming it was due to 4 buff stacking vs 2. I havnt checked dmg tooltips to see if anything changed. Only did my dailies and had to jet. I'll check it out once I get home. I'm in full bm gear and over 700 expertise and the stacking nerf is a significant delta to our burst. I'm hoping there wasn't an additional nerf above the buff one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iivewire Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 so you're actually implying they stealth nerf'd operative damage across the board by 30%.... lmao... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecup Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is the only report I've seen of it. Haven't really noticed a nerf myself, but I will look more closely at the numbers. There's pretty much nothing lower than a stealth nerf. So I really, really hope this isn't true. Not just for the sake of a class I'm playing, but for the future of the game really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyoMamoru Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Are you sure it isn't that you are now fighting people that have Expertise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyghoma Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah I was assuming it was due to 4 buff stacking vs 2. I havnt checked dmg tooltips to see if anything changed. Only did my dailies and had to jet. I'll check it out once I get home. I'm in full bm gear and over 700 expertise and the stacking nerf is a significant delta to our burst. I'm hoping there wasn't an additional nerf above the buff one. Typically I never needed to stack more then 2 of the buffs, usually the relic and adrenal. My HS was critting in the 6k range. I'm in half champ gear with 8 BM pieces, sitting close to 600 expertise. Today I'm lucky to break 5k on a HS. Lacerate, shiv and Backstab are also hitting like a wet noodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyghoma Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Are you sure it isn't that you are now fighting people that have Expertise? I mostly queue WZ against other premades and competitive guilds. I was sitting at 67 Valor last night. You really think I don't know how much I hit other BMs or Champs for? Don't insult our intelligence. Edited January 19, 2012 by Nyghoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecup Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) My PvE damage seems to be about the same as I remember. The problem is that I am level 39, so I don't know about max level. I don't do PvP at all, so I don't know about that either. All I know is that there hasn't been a 30% nerf to MY damage in PvE. Edited January 19, 2012 by thecoffeecup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durzaka Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Typically I never needed to stack more then 2 of the buffs, usually the relic and adrenal. My HS was critting in the 6k range. I'm in half champ gear with 8 BM pieces, sitting close to 600 expertise. Today I'm lucky to break 5k on a HS. Lacerate, shiv and Backstab are also hitting like a wet noodle. just saying, 5k isnt exactly something to bat an eye at. If you are 'lucky' to break 5k, what are these 'wet noodles' looking like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghamsar Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 i just jumped on and gave a WF a try....I seemed to be hitting for less as well me lvl 42 vs lvl 22 BH....acidblade HS opener 1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brilderee Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 IF we got nerfed it would say in the notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotIceHunter Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 IF we got nerfed it would say in the notes. Not necessarily, sometimes the person in charge of putting the notes together just messes up and something slips by, they're only human after all. Sometimes changes are purposefully not listed in the notes so as not to draw attention the the changes (usually nerfs). It's pretty sleazy when they do that, and that's why the original poster is saying it's a stealth nerf, as in, a nerf that happened that didn't get logged in the patch notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myber Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 well.. if you look around you will realise BW has added a ton, and i mean, a TOOOON of hidden nurfs / changes that they did not include in the notes. Why they did i cant say but they did. Allso i did feel abit weaker lastnight so im guessing whatever they did, they f''ked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antne Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I only hit for 5k now instead of 8k in 1 shot. Instead of taking away 1/2 health of someone it's only 1/3 of it. I can't kill someone in 5 seconds now....BOOOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guurzak Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You're missing the point, Antne. The issue isn't that there was a nerf (if there was one) the issue is that if there was a nerf it should have been documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antne Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I agree with them needing to document everything and be forthcoming with the changes. I just like toying with the people who seem to be negative all the time. P.S. I'm not saying this as a player who plays another class. I have a level 50 sniper and my operative is close too. I love the IA class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylerlee Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I think its mroe the fact that your playing vs lvl 50 only now, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewcreech Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They did publish in the patch notes a change to BIOCHEM, so if you were using adrenals and consumable stacking to acheive your high numbers, then you will see a significant change. From patch notes:Below, you'll notice some changes to high-end Biochem and Cybertech crafted items that reduce their output. We understand that these changes may cause concern for Biochemists and Cybertechs, but we've made them in order to prevent a situation where any specific crafting skill becomes the objective "best choice" for players challenging endgame content or PvP. We only make this type of change after very careful consideration, and only to ensure a level and fun playing field for all players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniWes Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I noticed the exact same thing. In PVE my dmg hasn't changed, I can still down mobs in the same rotation. But in PVP I have an increasingly hard time to kill opponents, whereas before I could usually take down enemies provided I engaged them from stealth and used a trinket. Currently I'm not even going above 3k anymore with crits, which is lower than every other class can do to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koyy Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 People are grabbing stuff, I'm playing Operative and I have not noticed any change to my dmg on 12% expertise players. You will not do your 5k dmg single hit medal on people wearing full champ/BM stuff, get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrdude Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) People are grabbing stuff, I'm playing Operative and I have not noticed any change to my dmg on 12% expertise players. You will not do your 5k dmg single hit medal on people wearing full champ/BM stuff, get used to it. Yeah, you will -- and I do. Fully geared expertise is only a 13%ish reduction (and whatever armor they have and such) -- which is countered by your own expertise. 5k hits are easy. 6k is doable on your alpha. More is doable with other party short-time buffs. However, you wont see the 30%ish extra damage from buff stacking. Which, in the end, effects us the most as we rely most on burst. Thus, the buff stacking was the biggest nerfs to Ops (relatively speaking). Edited January 19, 2012 by jbrdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinworms Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'm a Battlemaster Op, and I haven't noticed any changes to my damage in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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