Kaladorei Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im doing a raid, i need to understand my groups healing dps and threat, i need to know if somethings wrong and how to fix it. im currently basically blind in fights and have to just guess wwho needs swapping out and what needs changing. when enough people are raiding there will be more complaints about this, just fix it now its like a 2 day program + some testing time go go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brool Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im doing a raid, i need to understand my groups healing dps and threat, i need to know if somethings wrong and how to fix it. im currently basically blind in fights and have to just guess wwho needs swapping out and what needs changing. when enough people are raiding there will be more complaints about this, just fix it now its like a 2 day program + some testing time go go you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Jake_Steel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" I have to agree. If you think someone isn't up to par/slacking, then be observant and pay attention to them during fights. You can also inspect players gear and make sure they're at suitable levels. I understand wanting to get better gear to increase your numbers (it's the psychological basis of these types of games), but the people you're doing operations with are, well, people. You can't just throw them away when you can't use them like you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythhammer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 In a word. NO. Having eight 85's in that game whose Dread Name must not be mentioned... ^^ I've seen how recount, gear score and such have been abused. Yes, its possible to use them in a responsible fashion. But thats NOT how they end up being used. It would be best if ToR kept all add on's forbidden. Backing it up with perma bans for anyone caught, just to drive the point home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatTripp Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" What happened is certain games allowed them and it degraded the all around ability of most people. Now everyone wants it to see that they are good instead of knowing there class and how not to pull aggro and still get the max amount of DPS possible. These days people dont want to learn the ins and outs of there classes, they just want to know who is slacking so they can remove them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimudthesecond Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" /agree, remember when ppl used to play games based on skill?... Personal logs will be more then enough imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladorei Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" recounts been there since day one, anyone who didnt use it and wondered why they wiped 30 times befre they killed a boss is the reason i want one, i dont care for your, i want it this way attitude , u dont like it, dont use it, but i should have the CHOICE, ide rther wipe once not 30 times cause someone is stupid enough to stand in fire andim to busy tanking a boss to check that kinda stuff. maybe ull never raid, maybe u suck or are a terribad and "dont like addons". i dont care, i should have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsbacka Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you need to practice more and improve you're own leadership skills then. Personal combat logs yes, meters or recount not needed and not wanted. (personal opinion) What happened to the good old days when people used tactics and practiced their execution instead of needing a silly digital number to tell them how they failed. Just another request for an "ez button" Well in the good old days boss fights werent as challenging as we used nowdays, you could carry bad DPS but if they are gonna implent any hard fights in this game with enrage timers that needs optimized raid DPS its impossible to almost all guilds to beat the content. There is no way to tell how other DPS is doing since you cant monitor it IN ANY WAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klarick Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im doing a raid, i need to understand my groups healing dps and threat, i need to know if somethings wrong and how to fix it. im currently basically blind in fights and have to just guess wwho needs swapping out and what needs changing. when enough people are raiding there will be more complaints about this, just fix it now its like a 2 day program + some testing time go go Get a little more experience raiding before leading them. You dont need this crutch. WoW has you believing you need "tools" to be "Pro". You don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinksock Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'd like some kind of meter (or at least combat log parses), but is it all that necessary right now? Plenty of PUGs have gone through the current raid content, so something tells me min/maxing is kind-of a non-issue. Unless, that is, new patch content gets significantly more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya_Halberd Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 recounts been there since day one, anyone who didnt use it and wondered why they wiped 30 times befre they killed a boss is the reason i want one, i dont care for your, i want it this way attitude , u dont like it, dont use it, but i should have the CHOICE, ide rther wipe once not 30 times cause someone is stupid enough to stand in fire andim to busy tanking a boss to check that kinda stuff. maybe ull never raid, maybe u suck or are a terribad and "dont like addons". i dont care, i should have the choice. I will take you seriously when you learn to spell. If you cannot at least attempt to be intelligent then I cannot take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 when im doing a raid, i need to understand my groups healing dps and threat, i need to know if somethings wrong and how to fix it. im currently basically blind in fights and have to just guess wwho needs swapping out and what needs changing. when enough people are raiding there will be more complaints about this, just fix it now its like a 2 day program + some testing time go go I led raids in EQ and Vanilla WoW as raid leader and Main tank. In WoW we made it all the way up to the Twin Emps and the knight boss guys in Necrop before our guild broke apart (people didn't want to raid if all the raid gear would be out done by greens in BC) Not once did we ever use recount damage meters or even threat meters. It's called leadership and skill go get some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladorei Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Get a little more experience raiding before leading them. You dont need this crutch. WoW has you believing you need "tools" to be "Pro". You don't. you missing the point, wether i need it or not, i want to have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurrelio Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi there! We currently have a very active thread discussing this topic. You can find that thread here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=158454 Please feel free to continue this discussion therein. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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