ZeusThunder Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Just wondering if anyone else who played WoW previously has noticed the QQ about operatives/scoundrels is strikingly similar to the QQ about Rogues from WoW. - "They got me from 100% to 0% while I was stunned the whole time!" - "Stealth is OP!" - "They do too much damage, nerf them nao!!" Edit: I don't play an operative or a scoundrel, don't really care if this class gets nerfed or not I just find all the QQ very funny. Edited January 16, 2012 by ZeusThunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobings Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yeah I made that realization too. I played a rogue in WoW (Powertech now) so it's kind of entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizah Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I was just sad because when one knocked me down, i scraped my chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knifewrench Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hell, the rogue was extremely cooldown dependant to work correctly outside of stealth, too. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just wondering if anyone else who played WoW previously has noticed the QQ about operatives/scoundrels is strikingly similar to the QQ about Rogues from WoW. - "They got me from 100% to 0% while I was stunned the whole time!" - "Stealth is OP!" - "They do too much damage, nerf them nao!!" Edit: I don't play an operative or a scoundrel, don't really care if this class gets nerfed or not I just find all the QQ very funny. Same crap different game. Rogues were and are the least played class in WoW by a large margin. The better pvp players always flock to the "duel class" and have nerfs called for them on a daily basis by the FOTM classes. There is no mage class in this game. They made sages/sorcerers way too boring and easy to play and everyone said as much in beta. Do I look worried Scoundrel/op will become flavor of the month? LOL HELL NO. Same reason I was never worried about rogues becoming fotm. Bad players can't click a ton of keybinds while moving. All these fools are going to do is get to 50, get absolutely destroyed by mediocre players (like themselves) playing ranged and tanks, then they are going to go back to their ranged class again and call for more nerfs. Should be quite entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravinian Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rogues were flavour of the month, there was a time in WoW before they nerfed them that a max level rogue could stunlock kill a person with rusty daggers....dmg...6. This was at a time when most were farming gear for daggers with 50+ damage on them and a rogue could stunlock kill you with rusty daggers you got at level 1. They were flavour of the month, everyone had one, I had one, half my guild had a rogue, because they were stupidly easily to play and could kill anyone without any risk of dying. They were a stupid class in WoW and OP are a stupid class in SWTOR. The fact that some gimps like playing without risk is not a reasonable excuse of their existence. You want to face no risk? Then do no damage. Doing insane damage and facing little to no risk is silly. It was silly in WoW and it is silly in SWToR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihateyouall Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 rogues didn't knock you on the floor forcing you to wait 4 seconds for the stun then 3 more seconds for the animation to get up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivialed Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 rogues didn't knock you on the floor forcing you to wait 4 seconds for the stun then 3 more seconds for the animation to get up 3 seconds with full resolve bar. Which sometimes I like to not use the knockdown and just stunlock people using other things. It is actually funnier because without the full resolve bar they really cant do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evuke Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) It's the same in all games, kids don't like being taken by surprise, and they don't like being stunned, so rogues always cop the nerf cries. It's only when the developers listen it's a problem. Scoundrels are a burst dps class, if you do anything to that burst dps they become useless (because they will have no energy), so the whole class would need re-doing to become a sustained dps class, but then they're now a shadow/assassin, so why not just delete them from the game. Burst dps classes always do well in pvp, stealth always does well in pvp. Edited January 16, 2012 by Evuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufutiz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) to be fair, stealth classes are hit by QQ in most games, not just swtor or WoW. And the reason is always the same - because they are overpowered as **** in pretty much every single case, especially right after launch when players are missing the necessary gear to survive the initial burst :-) I am playing a scoundrel btw. Edited January 16, 2012 by mufutiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Rogues were flavour of the month, there was a time in WoW before they nerfed them that a max level rogue could stunlock kill a person with rusty daggers....dmg...6. This was at a time when most were farming gear for daggers with 50+ damage on them and a rogue could stunlock kill you with rusty daggers you got at level 1. They were flavour of the month, everyone had one, I had one, half my guild had a rogue, because they were stupidly easily to play and could kill anyone without any risk of dying. They were a stupid class in WoW and OP are a stupid class in SWTOR. The fact that some gimps like playing without risk is not a reasonable excuse of their existence. You want to face no risk? Then do no damage. Doing insane damage and facing little to no risk is silly. It was silly in WoW and it is silly in SWToR. Rogues were never OP in WoW outside one patch with fan of knives. What are you smoking? I could do twice the dmg on my DK, Warrior or Ret Paladin then I could on my rogue in any given patch in WoW inside a battleground. What could I do with the rogue? Kill those classes one on one in a duel. As far as 3 on 3 (the only bracket anyone cared about) they were close to equal (depending on patch). In 5 v5 ? The Rogue was useless compared to the other melee classes with warrior being the best. LOL at you claiming that rogues had higher numbers then Ret Paladins, or DK's. The only class played less then rogue is warlock and that is only because mages were so far above all the other casters that playing anything else was pointless unless you were a healer. http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=85&maxlevel=85&servertypeid=-1 You and your guildmates prob made rogue twinks got to 85 and shelved them just like everyone else. Oh and I love your comment of doing insane dmg and little risk.... What the hell do you call RANGED DAMAGE... If a rogue class does less dmg then a warrior class that can zip around they are pointless unless given EXTREME cc. You want stunlock in this game? Sure thing. I will be more then happy to dominate players with the CC I had at my disposal in WoW. Shiv enrages, prep, aoe slow, kidney shot, gouge, shadowstep. I am sure people will LOVE having more CC in this game LOL. Edited January 16, 2012 by biowareftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kshahdoo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Well, rogues were helpless vs warriors in vanilla WoW. And operatives can penetrate any armor pretty good... Edited January 16, 2012 by Kshahdoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Same crap different game. Rogues were and are the least played class in WoW by a large margin. Buahahahaha, oh wait you were serious BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No, rogues were the most played class, even by Blizzard's own admission. At least 50% of the class population were rogues. Rogue's were the furthest from least played class. They might be less played now after Cataclysm, but anyone using that statement to claim rogues are the least played class really lost all cred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Well, rogues were helpless vs warriors. And operatives can penetrate any armor pretty good... No they weren't. Warriors were one of the easiest classes to one on one in the game for a rogue. Shiv enrages. Bleed kite. and two disarms with prep. GG. The only class that beat a rogue one on one in WoW was a frost mage depending on patch (aka when Kalgan made his frost mage). Tanks were as easy to kill as warriors. You shived of all enrages and your recuperate outhealed any pitiful damage they could put out. Seriously you 1500 rated heroes need to stop posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufutiz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Rogues were never OP in WoW outside one patch with fan of knives. What are you smoking? Rogues were OP in very regular intervals throughout the entirety of the game (I should know, I played one. but me being an exceptionally awesome player is also an explanation I will accept) After vanilla we never reached the same heights again(ok maybe there was a short intermezzo going by the name of "mace stun") but that wasn't really necessary for our occasional place in the sun anyway. Edited January 16, 2012 by mufutiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazzerswords Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 the major demograpic of PVP is males 18- 25 . That demograpic is the most emotional fragile type of person. Anything that hurts this fragile ego, is going to get pages after pages of nerf threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Buahahahaha, oh wait you were serious BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No, rogues were the most played class, even by Blizzard's own admission. At least 50% of the class population were rogues. Rogue's were the furthest from least played class. They might be less played now after Cataclysm, but anyone using that statement to claim rogues are the least played class really lost all cred. I link statistics. You link garbage. Serious pvp for you probably involves level 19 twinking though...There are a ton of rogues there... The only time I saw rogues was in high end arena and they were almost always in one comp PMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kshahdoo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) No they weren't. Warriors were one of the easiest classes to one on one in the game for a rogue. Shiv enrages. Bleed kite. and two disarms with prep. GG. The only class that beat a rogue one on one in WoW was a frost mage depending on patch (aka when Kalgan made his frost mage). Tanks were as easy to kill as warriors. You shived of all enrages and your recuperate outhealed any pitiful damage they could put out. Seriously you 1500 rated heroes need to stop posting. Lol, there weren't arenas in vanilla WoW, so it shows pretty well who's clueless here. Edited January 16, 2012 by Kshahdoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazzerswords Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rogues were never OP in WoW outside one patch with fan of knives. What are you smoking? I could do twice the dmg on my DK, Warrior or Ret Paladin then I could on my rogue in any given patch in WoW inside a battleground. What could I do with the rogue? Kill those classes one on one in a duel. As far as 3 on 3 (the only bracket anyone cared about) they were close to equal (depending on patch). In 5 v5 ? The Rogue was useless compared to the other melee classes with warrior being the best. LOL at you claiming that rogues had higher numbers then Ret Paladins, or DK's. The only class played less then rogue is warlock and that is only because mages were so far above all the other casters that playing anything else was pointless unless you were a healer. http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=85&maxlevel=85&servertypeid=-1 You and your guildmates prob made rogue twinks got to 85 and shelved them just like everyone else. Oh and I love your comment of doing insane dmg and little risk.... What the hell do you call RANGED DAMAGE... If a rogue class does less dmg then a warrior class that can zip around they are pointless unless given EXTREME cc. You want stunlock in this game? Sure thing. I will be more then happy to dominate players with the CC I had at my disposal in WoW. Shiv enrages, prep, aoe slow, kidney shot, gouge, shadowstep. I am sure people will LOVE having more CC in this game LOL. You sound like a wrath baby. You never played vanilla against rogues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuziun Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) It's a difficult class to balance, that's why. Stealth, stuns, and massive burst damage don't balance out. It seems like either they suck, or they're overpowered. It's hard to find a good middle ground for Rogue type classes. Edited January 16, 2012 by Illuziun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senefera Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rogues were flavour of the month, there was a time in WoW before they nerfed them that a max level rogue could stunlock kill a person with rusty daggers....dmg...6. This was at a time when most were farming gear for daggers with 50+ damage on them and a rogue could stunlock kill you with rusty daggers you got at level 1. I remember one stunlocking and killing me with a fishing rod. Had to admit, it made me giggle a little bit. The most Fail way to die ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rogues were OP in very regular intervals throughout the entirety of the game (I should know, I played one. but me being an exceptionally awesome player is also an explanation I will accept) After vanilla we never reached the same heights again(ok maybe there was a short intermezzo going by the name of "mace stun") but that wasn't really necessary for our occasional place in the sun anyway. Uh..in Vanilla Warriors and mages owned everything. Windfury totem plus sweeping strikes = LOL. Mages just one shot everything with pyro fireblast. Rogues were good at beating bad players in bad gear. Warriors and mages were good at instagibbing players that had gear. I don't think we were playing the same game...unless you are talking about one on one. Then yeah rogues were always good at one on one... Is this game balanced around one on one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverspar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) I link statistics. You link garbage. Serious pvp for you probably involves level 19 twinking though...There are a ton of rogues there... The only time I saw rogues was in high end arena and they were almost always in one comp PMR. LOL, man you are just so many levels of wrong. I've been PvPing in MMOs since UO in it's early days, back with lag and halberd explosion deaths. What do you have to show, you've been PvPing probably since WoW, which is carebear PvP. In short, you don't know what you're talking about. You just demonstrated it by stating Rogue's are the least played class. Edited January 16, 2012 by Silverspar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehmin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rogues were never OP in WoW outside one patch with fan of knives. What are you smoking? I could do twice the dmg on my DK, Warrior or Ret Paladin then I could on my rogue in any given patch in WoW inside a battleground. In vanilla, besides warriors, rogues would stun lock kill anyone. They were very much OP for a nice stretch of time. I'm guessing by the quote you probably started MAYBE @ BC most likely WotLK expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You sound like a wrath baby. You never played vanilla against rogues You sound like someone that failed in competitive pvp. I played vanilla and the most OP class/spec I ever had was a warrior with a windfury totem down. Sweeping strikes worked with execute... Think about that. Think long and hard about that. I one shot cleaved rogues that were not even my focus target.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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