myxel Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Honestly come the 20th they will lose a massive amount of subs. Then in about 3 months they will lose even more to tera, (mainly pvper's that know what tera is). Then later this year the rest that aren't total 100% into swtor will drift off to play GW2 when its released. dont forget, the secret world!
djsmileey Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) 2 million people like it right now. In 6 months, 5 million people are gonna like it. And the few sour grapes folks who claim they've quit and this game is buried on the 20th, have already been replaced, won't be missed, and will be back by March. lol I wasn't serious. I played nearly every MMO released in the last 10 years, and WoW for a good 7 of those. I am also now one of those who haters actively called "Fanboys". Not sure how that works. Go figure. I love this game, and I predict 70 million users by next month. Edited January 17, 2012 by djsmileey
Barracudastr Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 If you read these forums you see the same names or alt names posting the doom and gloom about how this MMO will die because it doesn't have xyz or zyx or that it will fail after the first month. They are not here to play the game, they don't care about the game. All they care about is the attention they get from starting these threads. They try to make you believe they are some sort of MMO expert and can tell this game is dieing. Everytime I see one of these threads I laugh and say to myself what a fool. There are roughly 2 million copies of this game in circulation even if 500k left the game would still be a success by MMO standards. No one believes these threads when we read them and personally I wish the mods would come down hard on these types of threads because they are not constructive. They never suggest they just state a opinion as if it were a undeniable fact. Raving ranting and lookin like a fool with their pants on the ground Same goes for the people defending it no matter if it makes no sense or not lol.
DevonDs Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Devon, do you think that those non mmo folks have the rig to enjoy this game properly? To see what I mean, check the "Horrid FPS" thread, the "Error Code 7" thread and pretty much anything beginning with "Overheating." The minimum system requirements listed for this game do not accurately reflect the system you have to use in order to enjoy the game in its fullness (by fullness, I at least mean a sensible FPS rate.) The game currently has rampant FPS issues even on high spec computers. This alone would act as a disincentive to buy the game - i.e. if I see my friend playing TOR on a top-notch computer and see him stutter around in a small warzone with 5 fps, I would probably avoid buying the game for some time. I don't do war zones much so it hasn't been an issue for me, and I suspect the non mmo people won't rush to pvp.....I agree that may be an issue for non mmo types and those that haven't really played a computer game since mystery etc. I still think people will try it.
djsmileey Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Every time I hear Guild Wars mentioned I throw up a little. That game was awful, Guild wars 2 is getting mixed reviews and has to pass the world of warcraft gauntlet like everyone else. I think I will keep my stock in Star Wars...
Spartanik Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 well you guys are at least up to date on the recent news and feedback of the public test server and the incoming pacth?! if not go see it. darth hater is a good place to start. I dont think swtor will lose that manny after the 20th.
Barracudastr Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Every time I hear Guild Wars mentioned I throw up a little. That game was awful, Guild wars 2 is getting mixed reviews and has to pass the world of warcraft gauntlet like everyone else. I think I will keep my stock in Star Wars... I thought you didn't take other peoples words on games..... contradiction! just sayin lol
YEBAKILER Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Confused much? Actually, yes. I never would have imagined, in my wildest dreams, that someone would take my "No one is calling this game doomed" sentence and construe it to cover the entire SWTOR forums I meant it as a reply to someone which accused the OP of heralding doom, but forgot to quote it.
snoopy Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Where was it announced that they sold 2 million copies? The link on the webpage says "over a million players," which I interpret as 1 to 1.5 million sales.
CanSolo Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I'm afraid that in few months time threads like "Is TOR dieing?" will start to pop up. So my guess is yes, TOR is already done growing...
Spartanik Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Where was it announced that they sold 2 million copies? The link on the webpage says "over a million players," which I interpret as 1 to 1.5 million sales. Can you understand english?! read the article again. 1 million passed the time playing swtor on the holydays only. we arent in the holydays arent we? and there was tons off people that had better things to do in christams and new years them playing a computer game. but 1 milion dont. how sad is that?! I'm afraid that in few months time threads like "Is TOR dieing?" will start to pop up. So my guess is yes, TOR is already done growing... And you think the game will continue like this without new pacthes and bug fixes and performance fixes? off course. Edited January 17, 2012 by Spartanik
Aaluria Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Same goes for the people defending it no matter if it makes no sense or not lol. Why doesn't it make sense for me to defend this game if I like it? What doesn't make sense is those who don't like the game or think its bad to continue to come and complain without suggestions. This is a gaming forum for OMG STARWARS THE OLD REPUBLIC, it's called a fan forum. What makes no sense to me is why you don't understand where you are posting.
Romiz Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 NO this game is far from done growing and getting new subs.
djsmileey Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I thought you didn't take other peoples words on games..... contradiction! just sayin lol I actually said that reviews were good, someone else said that they were not true and payed off. I take reviews for what they are, if you read through 10 reviews and pick out all the points that people agree upon. It's a safe bet that those are true, but that is besides the point. I always try my best to be unbiased when it comes to games, I've found some of my most favorite games that I hated at first, like Mass effect, now I currently have preordered ME3 CE. Guild Wars somehow just gets me, I dislike it so much and Yes I did try the first one. I really don't think I could ever get on board with that game. And from what I understand it's not going to be F2P like the last one.
Sai-to Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 No, OP, it's not done growing. TOR will have a sub drop after the free month is up, and then number will rise again after. After about 3-6 months, the subs will stabilize at a number which will essentially be the "average" for the majority of the life of the game.
Talosred Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Can I ask a question, why do people expect mmos to be fglawless when they first come out. I really can't recall one that was without flaws when they first came out. But I plan to stick around for at-least six months. But yes there will be a decline at first, you can't please everyone simple has that, most are forgetting how buggy wow was when it first came out. Anyways some will nerd rage, some will whine, some will douch the nature of forms and online communities, but glad to see a civil talk here for a change.l
Valkyriess Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Every time I see the threads of "This game is doomed" I laugh a little bit. Is this game going to be the massive success and become the new WoW, no. Will it live on with its own community and keep going yes. Will I, be there playing for the time being yes. These days most games with few exceptions are throw away games. People buy, play it, beat it, get all they want and ditch the game for the new hotness coming off the truck. Wow is the only mmo that can successfully call its self the contradiction. Because it got into the business at the right time set the precedent got its massive fan base and has succeeded but even it is loosing ground. Games like wow will never come around again. Not in that size anyways. And anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Are their cult classics o yes Halo Doom EVE some of the final fantasy series yes but they don’t have the following that new mmos are looking to achieve in most cases. These days the best an MMO can hope for is a massive launch sell lots of games and hope to hold off inevitable as long as possible. Why because everyone at least the 10% on the forums demand a polished bug free complete game with everything possible they could want. The biggest thing I have heard is o this game is missing this or that or has this bug. Give it time for this stuff it will come hopefully soon. As for bugs you will always have them nothing you can do. There has never been a program without at least one bug in it dam near. I will admit there could be some small programs but on the scale of an MMO not going to happen. One typo in one of the millions of lines of code and wow look at hundreds of bugs. Then trying to fix it will cause more bugs and so on. To those who are undecided and to those who don’t like the game cool leave or take a break but look back this game has lots of potential or don’t and find that next new hotness you crave. And by the way WoW needs to go jump off a cliff pandas really??? Screw that. Edited January 17, 2012 by Valkyriess
Mitridathes Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 This discussion is pointless. Because both sides predict what will happen in 1-2-6-12 months or more. And with all the variables that are with this game and its succes/failure, thats impossible. All we can really say right now, since our data about new subs/canceled subs are very shaky, is that alot of people bought the game. The game have problems yes, I doubt even the most hardcore bioware fan will deny that. But are those problems/bugs big enough of a problem for people to make them quit the game and never come back? That is an individual assesment. So we can only state how it will affect our own decision. Time will show many of us find the problems big enough, and Biowares handling of them bad enough to cancel sub. The arguments that all mmos beside wow will fail badly is deeply flawed, because if one game can succed, then ofc another will be able to do the same. There is nothing magical about WoW. Its just a bloody good game that hit the market at the right moment. Will Swtor do the same? no one knows. No one knew WoW would be the massive succes it turned into. That were only concluded in hindsight after 3-6 months, if not more. Do Swtor have the posibility of being a great succes, ofc it does, like most other games out there if the developers dedicate enough skill and resources to it. But only time will tell if this is the case for SWtor. Everything people in this threat are doing, is taking their own oppinion, aka the game sucks, or the game is great, and then supporting it with data thats been pulled out of the air and flawed arguments that really only are based in personal oppinion.
kristoffbrujah Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Kotor II is probably the most brilliant deconstruction of the Star Wars universe and has arguably the greatest antagonist in all of video games in the form of Kreia. Kotor was a good game, one of my favorites, but Kotor II just blew it out of the water. Better characterization, better writing...god I love that game. Yeah. I remember when you kill the world-destroying baddie, Darth Nihilus. You ask your companion, who knows what's under the maks, who he was. The reply (as I held my breath in suspense): 'he is just a man.' Breathtaking writing in that game. I really hope you're trolling for your own sake. There is a reason KOTOR is a classic while KOTOR2 is mostly forgotten.
Nyyte Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 havent been on the forum in ages and -oh look!- the trolls still have a hangout. funny how it always come back to WoW too. i've played Swtor since day one of early access and I've never felt like i was playing wow, or lotro, or any other. I find the game unique (where it should be) and familiar (where it should be) You know why WoW has maintained a large sub base for so long? It's called the sunk cost trap. When it came out, and for several years after, it was the best in it's class and really the game to take the genre "mainstream" if you can call it that. So people played. and played and played. and you could click a little command and even see how many days of your life you've spent playing! Woah! I've spent a long time playing this they'd say (and invested a lot of $, and some attachment to my char etc.) If I leave i'll have "lost" all this "x" that I've gained from playing and what a waste that would be! (the costs -time and $ and whatever else- are "sunk" and thus irrecoverable, unless you could sell your account, but even then it would surely be at a loss) Hence one stays. It's the same reason many people don't leave lousy relationships (personal, business, financial or otherwise). "Well I'm not really that into her anymore but we've been together so long and i don't want to start again from scratch so I might as well propose" etc. Heck people even do it with cars. Back on topic, predictions are useless, play or don't play.
MelRee Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 There is still an oceanic release to come... Granted there are those of us that are already playing on US servers but there are also those that are waiting for the official oceanic servers to be up and running before they commit to purchasing the game etc... which isn't until March, correct me if I'm wrong. Release date here in NZ is still TBC on most sites. So has the game done growing?? Too soon to tell in my opinion.
jarjarloves Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 There is still an oceanic release to come... Granted there are those of us that are already playing on US servers but there are also those that are waiting for the official oceanic servers to be up and running before they commit to purchasing the game etc... which isn't until March, correct me if I'm wrong. Release date here in NZ is still TBC on most sites. So has the game done growing?? Too soon to tell in my opinion. and eventually an Asia release.
JediMasterShake Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Just wanted to say thanks to those few who have engaged in the discussion without resorting to the usual pettiness of these boards.
Razot Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I don't really see how it can succeed really. The MMO world is basically meh atm. We did not need another WoW type clone, I mean really why start a new game just to do the same stuff you have been doing for years in WoW? I don't play WoW but i tried it and Bioware seems bent on stealing a lot from WoW, bad things included. The market has just changed, and whoever figures it out will do really well, but the VO's just isnt enough to hold people for long term when so many things are broken, and that ability delay is actually soul crushing after a while.
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