Kemmer Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) So I'm enjoying the versatility of the Scrapper Scoundrel. However, I've noticed that I can punch someone for more damage than a pointblank shotgun blast to the back . That's fine for Chuck Norris, but mere non-force mortals like my smuggler, it just seems odd. It would be nice to see a more consistent theme for the smugglers with a melee damage system that makes more sense. Yes, yes, I know, this is a sci-fi space opera, where very little *really* makes sense, but I'm talking about internal consistency. For instance, the operatives use vibroblades rather than their hands, which makes perfect sense. Bare hands... not so much. Here are some ideas that popped into my head. Option 1: Make Sucker Punch into a frontal shotgun attack. Makes sense to me that a shotgun blast to the face can certainly do more damage than one to the back. Option 2: Ditch the shotguns and give smugglers vibroknucklers. Easier to explain than the reappearing/disappearing shotguns, while giving punches that can conceivably do massive damage without the magic of our current Chuck Norris-Fu. Edited January 16, 2012 by Kemmer
Hawksworth Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 That is pretty weird, I just assumed Smugglers would use blades like an agent, it would still fit with the whole underworld smuggler type thing.
TheFluke Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Yeah, try it with Round Two while you've got the opponent Dotted. Then you can just forget shotguns and blasters altogether, and punch them to death. Edited January 16, 2012 by TheFluke
Kemmer Posted January 16, 2012 Author Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) That is pretty weird, I just assumed Smugglers would use blades like an agent, it would still fit with the whole underworld smuggler type thing. Yeah, my Imperial main is an Operative. I thought Smugglers would have something just as deadly in melee, thematically, as vibroblades. Bravado and swagger can only explain so much . Edited January 16, 2012 by Kemmer
Tallepyon Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 The crits of back blast hit a lot harder than sucker punch once you get the increased crit damage skill in the scrapper tree. That skill and a bit of surge allows back blast to hit like a truck when it crits.
curzen Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I would have preferred Sucker Punch to be some kind of armed attack instead of bonking someone in the head.
Valsdad Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Punching harder than a shotgun blast? It's how I roll.
ymmees Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 then again, requiring more than one point blank shot from a shotgun to kill someone is pretty much as surreal as your punch dealing more damage than your shotgun. would be sweet if there were more shotgun skills nevertheless!
Abanoth Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Keep in mind this is the universe where teddy bears with spears/bows/rocks are more dangerous than armored infantry with laser cannons and walking tanks. Edited January 16, 2012 by Abanoth
IdyllShade Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 This used to bug me too, but I got used to it. In the end, it's just as strange as punching elephantine animals to death, or making robots bleed. It would be nice to have a few more abilities that use the scattergun though. Quick Shot sounds like it's a shotgun blast, but isn't...
Ianjreid Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) you guys can do like 16k dmg in a matter of seconds litterally like 6 seconds in end game, with your dumb punches, maybe you guys are like goku or something Edited January 16, 2012 by Ianjreid
Talon_Starfire Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 That is pretty weird, I just assumed Smugglers would use blades like an agent, it would still fit with the whole underworld smuggler type thing. A Butterfly Knife would be cool.
Leilei Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 Im disappointed as well. I made a thread before about what people would think about changing sucker punch to something that involves the scatter gun but most people wanted to keep the punch...
Sir_Smithington Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 It is pretty silly that you can do more damage with the butt of a gun, the hilt of a lightsaber, and/or the back of your hand than with the actual weapon. Jedi Guardians and Sith Juggernauts deal more damage with the hilt of their lightsaber than with their blade. It really doesn't make sense and is visually disappointing to see your character opt for such a mundane manuever instead of using their fancy weapon. It seems like a poorly thought out design.
TrashMinky Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Ever hear of Chi? Just think that them Scoundrels focus their Chi to expend such energy to cause internal damage.
TheWalkingTed Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Ever hear of Chi? Just think that them Scoundrels focus their Chi to expend such energy to cause internal damage. Exactly! Just remember the old Flash Gordon movies that Star Wars was based on. They could shoot at each other for a long time but one punch to the chin and it's lights out!
Sir_Smithington Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Chi?! heh that is pretty laughable. I am immagining a complete retrofit of star destroyers so that a bunch of punching fists extend out to hit the other ships instead of lasers, because obviously lasers can't hold a candle to the all powerful fist. Think of the new line of fist grenades and fist tipped swords. Heat seeking fists even!. Seriously, there really is no way to explain it away without dipping into the rediculous. It seems as though the design of the abilities and the balancing of their effectiveness and impact were not done in line so as to make much sense. It is a cosmetic issue, but it is a significant one.
Mukh Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Chi?! heh that is pretty laughable. I am immagining a complete retrofit of star destroyers so that a bunch of punching fists extend out to hit the other ships instead of lasers, because obviously lasers can't hold a candle to the all powerful fist. Think of the new line of fist grenades and fist tipped swords. Heat seeking fists even!. Be careful what you wish for . . . http://www.voltroncentral.net/shared/gallery/albums/lion3/cap069.jpg
Valsdad Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Seriously, there really is no way to explain it away without dipping into the rediculous. It seems as though the design of the abilities and the balancing of their effectiveness and impact were not done in line so as to make much sense. We don't fight fair or straight up. The point is to hit with a quick left hook while our opponent's attention is on the blaster in our right hand. I like the mechanic. I hate having dependency on Round Two, but I love the Sucker Punch mechanic.
Iheamylap Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Well..if you think about it in one fashion, it makes sense. A shotgun to the back is probably going to connect with their armor, and strong armor at that. Most armor is going to protect the back well, since it cover's vital organs. However, heads and neck are not always covered so well. Folks need to see, or they need to move, etc, and even if there is a helmet, it might come off. Also, a heavy blow to a helmet can still cause damage to the head, since the force of the blow will go through the armor. So basically, you are punching them in the face/head/neck that is not as well cushioned and protected as their back. Similar to when we kick them in the balls Edited January 17, 2012 by Iheamylap
offbeatpaladin Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Scoundrels are on steroids. Even the body type 1 ones. How is hitting someone with your gun not awesome, exactly? You have this gun, but no, you aren't going to shoot them with it. That's too expected, so you slap the **** out of them with it instead, then proceed to beat them with your hands. This obviously makes you awesome. There is no crime here.
Kemmer Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Hmmm, perhaps Scoundrel Scrappers are Teras Kasi masters in disguise ... Edited January 17, 2012 by Kemmer
riedeas Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Hmmm, perhaps Scoundrel Scrappers are Teras Kasi masters in disguise ... That would make sense!
TrashMinky Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Chi?! heh that is pretty laughable. Um, go do some serious research. The effect of harnessing energy to output more than should be seemingly so .. is a real thing. Here's an example from Tennis: Ever see anyone grunt or scream when they hit the ball? That's not Chi, that's expending vocal energy to focus and cause a larger shock to the intended target.
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