Aelther Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 In almost every warzone that I have been 40 to 80% of people never bother to MVP anyone.I don't know whether they forget, or do this intentionally, but I think you should be unable to exit the warzone until you MVP someone, or your MVP vote should go randomly to any other player, or the player with most medals when you press exit warzone, cause now I don't see the point in having this MVP vote system at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuraJurai Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 i always vote for the lowest rated person he needs it more then the so called l33t players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlumpriest Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would much rather have a MIP vote. as in the most irritating player. Such a player would then by group decision lose all his medals and entitlements from the warzone. This would put paid to those whining high levels who spend the whole wz crying about 'noobs' and 'L2P' and 'you should be levelling' Then proceed to come in the bottom half of the table because they have spent 10 mins crying and not trying. Lead by example guys and the learners will respect you and maybe follow your lead. Behave as you do and you will only be seen as the **** you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajak Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The table is ordered by medals, which are not aquired by completing objectives (at least very few are). Is a player who solo defends a point on civil war but only gets around 5 kills and 60k damage "bad", or did he perfectly hold that point the entire match? The scoreboard will put him way at the bottom, the same place you will go if you are concentrating on passing / scoring in huttball instead of deathmatching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKivlov Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The table is ordered by medals, which are not aquired by completing objectives (at least very few are). Is a player who solo defends a point on civil war but only gets around 5 kills and 60k damage "bad", or did he perfectly hold that point the entire match? The scoreboard will put him way at the bottom, the same place you will go if you are concentrating on passing / scoring in huttball instead of deathmatching. Except he will have a large objective score for holding his objective so if you filter by that, he's on top. IMHO, healers that heal people that aren't their friends get the MvP votes. If you queue with a teammate and only heal him, do the rest of your team a favour and eat something poisonous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halstadt Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 /Agreed The table is ordered by medals, which are not aquired by completing objectives (at least very few are). Is a player who solo defends a point on civil war but only gets around 5 kills and 60k damage "bad", or did he perfectly hold that point the entire match? The scoreboard will put him way at the bottom, the same place you will go if you are concentrating on passing / scoring in huttball instead of deathmatching. Also agreed. I was actually in a match that aborted and I scored, got 0 objective points. What kind of sense does that make? Personally, I vote people I know over people I don't. Barring that, I vote based on the name I most saw in the healing flytext, aka, the person who kept me alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Except he will have a large objective score for holding his objective so if you filter by that, he's on top. IMHO, healers that heal people that aren't their friends get the MvP votes. If you queue with a teammate and only heal him, do the rest of your team a favour and eat something poisonous. False. I've scored 5 times in a huttball match and ended up with 800 objective points. Even if it did give an appropriate amount, without many objective point-based medals it's meaningless as the rewards are still low and you still show at the bottom of the scoreboard in the default sorting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadda Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) The table is ordered by medals, which are not aquired by completing objectives (at least very few are). Is a player who solo defends a point on civil war but only gets around 5 kills and 60k damage "bad", or did he perfectly hold that point the entire match? The scoreboard will put him way at the bottom, the same place you will go if you are concentrating on passing / scoring in huttball instead of deathmatching. Yep as it stands... scoring high on the tables MEANS NOTHING. If i play to the objectives i usually end up with less of everything ...often even less objective points. If i solo defend a door on voidstar, freeing up 7 others to go frag, i might get objective points, but i miss out on the 8-9 medals i can gain from fragging and self healing.. If i defend a turret in Alderaan for most of the match...then jump across to the other side at a critical point and capture the opposite turret and "win" the match for my team, i gain 2 medals from defender points and probably not much more than 50-70k dmg, but if i frag and forget the objectives, i get 8-9, more damage, more mvp's If i just frag in huttball, i get more objective points, more medals, more mvp votes...but really dont contribute anything. Point being the score tables do little to reflect the reality of the match contribution.... this from someone who regularly DOUBLES the damage of the next highest player *and* usually works on the map objectives. Aside from that.. /signed ..players should have to vote before leaving a match Edited January 14, 2012 by blackadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelAnne Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 As a tank I vote for my healer in most cases, so do the healers vote for their tanks. Thats a from my point of view fair vote - as these 2 decide games (even tho tanks need to get some major overhaul at pvp, as there is way too much damage coming in and taunt does not work). Anyways, still in most games a dps does win. Why?` Because many people think that high numbers matter and at thise moment its always the dps number. One of the reasons why addons will be bad for group content if added. People see a big number and give their MVP to that dps... that the dps has almost 0 points at objectives, doesnt matter. Because of this many people just skip the votes, as in most cases a dps will win anyways - as there are not enough tanks and healers in a game to beat them in vote´s. Something else I noticed are guild teams of 4 or 6 people. They would never ever give their vote to a good player who is not in their guild. No they rather give their vote to the best friend, no matter how bad he played. The MVP system needs a major fix, let the system itself pick 3 people based on the stats. Then the team can select one of these 3, might stop the pointless dps or guild votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelther Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) The table is ordered by medals, which are not aquired by completing objectives (at least very few are). Is a player who solo defends a point on civil war but only gets around 5 kills and 60k damage "bad", or did he perfectly hold that point the entire match? The scoreboard will put him way at the bottom, the same place you will go if you are concentrating on passing / scoring in huttball instead of deathmatching. That's why my first suggestion was to not let anyone exit, until they vote. But then again I think auto assigning vote to the guy with most medals or assigning the vote randomly would be much better than almost no one getting a vote, because of lazy people... Edited January 14, 2012 by Aelther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Something else I noticed are guild teams of 4 or 6 people. They would never ever give their vote to a good player who is not in their guild. No they rather give their vote to the best friend, no matter how bad he played. The MVP system needs a major fix, let the system itself pick 3 people based on the stats. Then the team can select one of these 3, might stop the pointless dps or guild votes. /disagree. As has been mentioned, the scoreboards do not reflect the contribution to the match. If I am running witrh a pre-made then I know how well they did by running with them. Why should I assume that someone who farmed kills contributed more than the person who I know to have made a difference just because he got more medals? when queueing solo I usually give it to the 2nd best healer (everyone else does the best healer!) ov the guy at the bottom who got few rewards at the end of the match due to low medals (but due to the scoring system could well have been very useful). Why should the top 3 deathmatchers always get the vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealAeiouy Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I look at objective score, healing score and protection score. Medals and kills not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajic Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) I stopped voting when i hit 60 valor 2 weeks ago >< could care less. When i did vote it was always the lowest rated person. Edited January 14, 2012 by trajic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grevilavec Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I agree I wish everyone did the MVP vote becuase sometimes after a long warzone of slamming your head against the keyboard it would be nice to see if at least 1 person saw what I did to make the big W happen. Often times now when I top damage and healing (no healers), or on a loss, I toss my MVP vote to a random person. Why not, it is 50 valor and 1 commendation for someone. BUT, the MVP vote is just a little something extra added. When I run premades we are assigned who to vote for MVP so at least we who are sometimes carrying the team get a bit extra. Sadly when running the MVP, although we carried poeple, we often times are the only people to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadda Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) People see a big number and give their MVP to that dps... that the dps has almost 0 points at objectives, doesnt matter. Actually in Voidstar its the DPS that get the short end of the stick on objective points... even if they are contributing a lot to the objectives its easy to end up with zero because only people near the doors get points. Given that a *GOOD* DPS will be harassing defenders and trying to pull them away from the doors (so stealthers can cap), getting next to zero objective points can be a sign a DPS was doing their job on that map during the attacker phase Defending wise.. DPS suffers because staying power near the doors is the key to defending... normal attack spam is enough to indefinitely stop cappers, so long as you stay alive doing so. But all of this just points to the tables being garbage and never a great indicator of contribution Edited January 14, 2012 by blackadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nullcrobicus Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 They just need to do away with MVP voting. Terrible concept. People just vote for their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarinn Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would much rather have a MIP vote. as in the most irritating player. Such a player would then by group decision lose all his medals and entitlements from the warzone. This would put paid to those whining high levels who spend the whole wz crying about 'noobs' and 'L2P' and 'you should be levelling' Then proceed to come in the bottom half of the table because they have spent 10 mins crying and not trying. Lead by example guys and the learners will respect you and maybe follow your lead. Behave as you do and you will only be seen as the **** you are. i support MIP to then remove all of his commendetation and all loot and force vote also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grevilavec Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 They just need to do away with MVP voting. Terrible concept. People just vote for their friends. I think the concept was great. Just the reality demonstrated by this topic is that poeple are lazy. Poeple in general can't be motivated to vote for people in our nations office and it seems taking the 15 seconds you are given and looking for someone to vote for is too much for kids today. Poeple are lazy, some are self rightous and feel they were the best so won't vote, some are spitefull, others impatent, some Ignorant, and others A holes. Some might just use the time given to see how awesome they were then leave once they can. OR some poeple CAN'T VOTE. I've been in games the entire time and when the game ended I was robbed of my chance to vote, same with entering late. Sometimes after entering late I've been able to vote. You aren't always able to vote for some reason a bug that is often overlooked I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depth_mil Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) False. I've scored 5 times in a huttball match and ended up with 800 objective points. Even if it did give an appropriate amount, without many objective point-based medals it's meaningless as the rewards are still low and you still show at the bottom of the scoreboard in the default sorting. No, he's right - you get a ton of objective points and 2-3 medals just from that alone for sitting on a node in civil war. Huttball is a totally different warzone and only really seems to award points for killing the ball carrier. Anyone aware enough to look at objective points when voting is probably familiar with these issues though, so... Edited January 14, 2012 by depth_mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talkative Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would much rather have a MIP vote. as in the most irritating player. Such a player would then by group decision lose all his medals and entitlements from the warzone. This would put paid to those whining high levels who spend the whole wz crying about 'noobs' and 'L2P' and 'you should be levelling' Then proceed to come in the bottom half of the table because they have spent 10 mins crying and not trying. Lead by example guys and the learners will respect you and maybe follow your lead. Behave as you do and you will only be seen as the **** you are. When I tell you not to get peeled off the door chasing a kill and you immediately do just that, you're the idiot. Just to be clear. There are decent pubs and great pubs and crappy pubs. It takes someone who has been called out for losing warzones several times to make a suggestion like this. Name and shame I say. Get these scrubs learned or burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralBlue Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Not until I can vote for myself, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonated Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I gave up mvp voting because some games I cap the huttball like 3 times get top damage most objective points and no one votes for me, Afkers have had more votes then me. I wish they just changed it to random, I couldnt care less anymore about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talkative Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Re: MVP voting. Mine always goes to the top healer, even if it's obviously me and my medpac. Because BW apparently does not understand that dedicated healers are much more efficient than part-timers and thus you will get many more of the former than the latter. So...they can't get the medals, they ought to get the MVP vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saprezzan Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 If you force MVP votes people will just brainlessly vote the first player they see on the list just to get it over with. That said, I pretty much always award the player with best healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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