Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Enough said, I played in beta, was told time and time again that we would get something... Well a few weeks after launch, I seem to gimping myself by being Neutral... I can't use ANY relics, I can't get most weapons from venders (Most need to be Light or Dark.) So by playing the way I want and was told I can do without gimping, I have gimped myself. I have lesser stats from no relics or any alignment gear... So Bioware, when can I expect to get some Neutral gear? Or even Neutral colour crystals? Anything? You said we would have stuff, well... We are still waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Does no one have this problem?? Does no one else want to go grey or be neutral?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunayson Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 As of now you cannot play that way. If you want unrealistic satisfaction of "creating a character" and "immersion" or whatever, then you will be without that gear. You don't like it? I don't like **** tons of stuff about me, so deal. with. it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koronii Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I believe they said that there'd be neutral content 'soon' which in dev speak can mean anything from a month to a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicHEALZtime Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I wanted to be a grey jedi guardian but it was obvious that bioeare wasn't adding any benefit to being gray and I had enough foresight to not lvl a grey toon because of this. I'm sure they will add something in the future but u guarantee it isn't high on their to do list. If I where you I would grind some dark or light points so you won't be so gimped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemerchick Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I can't get most weapons from venders (Most need to be Light or Dark.) I'll start by saying that my BH is running gray (much as I intended to run her as Dark), so this does affect me. That said... You should have gotten an orange weapon when you picked your AC. Mod it up. As gray, you can use all color crystals. Perhaps closer to end-game (I'm not there yet), drops, etc. become more important. However, I've seen people saying they are still using their original orange stuff at LVL 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 As of now you cannot play that way. If you want unrealistic satisfaction of "creating a character" and "immersion" or whatever, then you will be without that gear. You don't like it? I don't like **** tons of stuff about me, so deal. with. it. Well I don't have a problem of deal. with. it. But even post launch and in beta, they said you would not be hindered or gimped if you played neutral. That they would have Neutral gear and relics. Well its after launch, I was just wondering where it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorkah Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I agree whole-heartedly with the OP, instead of making a decision, a "role-playing" decision, I make a "grind for gear" decision. Sometimes I want to kill people, other times I want to be merciful, that's role-playing, instead I just make the choice that gives me the best chit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor_atomic Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The whole point of SW is that everyone has to take a stand, whether it be for Light or Dark. Even Han Solo made the jump from Neutral to Light. Going down the Dark or Light path is the point of the game, I don't really see why you should expect special awards for being a waffler and not taking a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'll start by saying that my BH is running gray (much as I intended to run her as Dark), so this does affect me. That said... You should have gotten an orange weapon when you picked your AC. Mod it up. As gray, you can use all color crystals. Perhaps closer to end-game (I'm not there yet), drops, etc. become more important. However, I've seen people saying they are still using their original orange stuff at LVL 50. I have no problem running with old oranges, and most drops are open to everyone... But Relics are a huge problem for someone who wants to run Grey... We get no trinkets basically, which really hurts someone like me who wants to tank and do a flashpoint every few lvls. It means less health for me, and less gear choice. If you go Dark or Light, you have more options for gear. It just makes me sad, a few weeks after launch, I am already being gimped for being something they said would be okay to do and have the same stuff that being Dark or Light does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) The whole point of SW is that everyone has to take a stand, whether it be for Light or Dark. Even Han Solo made the jump from Neutral to Light. Going down the Dark or Light path is the point of the game, I don't really see why you should expect special awards for being a waffler and not taking a stand. Well from a Starwars stand point, there was a lot of Grey/ Neutral parties on both sides. Many Jedi and Sith even walked the fine line of Neutrality. It's in lore, and they said pre-launch it would be do-able. Edited January 10, 2012 by Undreamtkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeseer Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I want more neutral options as well. Even my Sith Sorcerer told his Jedi apprentice that the world is shades of gray. And he's one dark dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalehitchy Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So people who play on rp servers shouldn't make decisions based on what options they have in front of them.... But what items they should get? One of many stupid design decisions ..and I'm getting sick of... "Something we will add / fix later".....they must have at least 200 things on there to do list.. Though this is not game breaking and not the worst of the games problems.... For a game developer to boast about story and personal character development .... Only to destroy that notion by only creating armour that is light or dark only is pretty stupid....I've found myself pressing dark on everything... Even tho in some cases I did not want to at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vharna Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 One of the great things about this game is how it has the whole SP story side that you can treat like a great role-playing game. On my first run of such games I don't try to min/max or be the most effective I possibly can. I just take each situation as it comes and try to really stick to my own morals as best as the game allows. This game has some really great choices but like in every KOTOR (or ME) you are really hindered by not going full good/evil. But this setback won't keep me from playing the game the way I want. I will just use modded gear to be as effective as possible (it helps that all medium armors after 25 look just hideous on Sith Marauder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 So people who play on rp servers shouldn't make decisions based on what options they have in front of them.... But what items they should get? One of many stupid design decisions ..and I'm getting sick of... "Something we will add / fix later".....they must have at least 200 things on there to do list.. Though this is not game breaking and not the worst of the games problems.... For a game developer to boast about story and personal character development .... Only to destroy that notion by only creating armour that is light or dark only is pretty stupid....I've found myself pressing dark on everything... Even tho in some cases I did not want to at all This, I don't kill everyone I run into. I play a Sith Darkness Assassin. I put myself in the best place of power, and to be honest, its not always the Dark choice I find in my story. I been pretty down the line on most of story choices, sometimes Dark, but also Light. I just don't wanna be gimped by gear for choosing to walk the thin line of Neutrality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acks Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 bumping this thread....we need gray gear! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 This wouldn't be a big problem for just different looking gear, I can deal with that in a month or two down the road. No biggy, its just the major problem with this, there is 0 relics for neutral. You HAVE to be Dark or Light to get relics, which do have stats and some nice cooldowns, more so if you wanna play a Tank like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrydurf Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 From what I've seen there is lots of gear without light/Dark requirements. All the matrix cubes are neutral, the columbi and rakata are neutral and I think a bunch of the crafted have no requirements of light or dark. Thats mostly from checking ToRHead which may still be inaccurate. There are also neutral color crystals, and other mods aren't alighnment locked at all. I think you just don't get access to the ones on the LS/DS vendors not much else seems to be locked to one alignment. I admit I was expecting there to be a neutral vendor but really all the vendors are neutral as the vast majority of gear in the game is not light or dark aligned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) From what I've seen there is lots of gear without light/Dark requirements. All the matrix cubes are neutral, the columbi and rakata are neutral and I think a bunch of the crafted have no requirements of light or dark. Thats mostly from checking ToRHead which may still be inaccurate. There are also neutral color crystals, and other mods aren't alighnment locked at all. I think you just don't get access to the ones on the LS/DS vendors not much else seems to be locked to one alignment. I admit I was expecting there to be a neutral vendor but really all the vendors are neutral as the vast majority of gear in the game is not light or dark aligned. So Dark and Light get their own gear and all that jazz, that only they can use. Yet Neutral get no unique gear, and only can use non-alignment locked gear? Kinda sounds like a poor design to me. Edited January 10, 2012 by Undreamtkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoranHorn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 As of now you cannot play that way. If you want unrealistic satisfaction of "creating a character" and "immersion" or whatever, then you will be without that gear. You don't like it? I don't like **** tons of stuff about me, so deal. with. it. Worthless post. Does not contribute anything to the thread. As for the OP, i feel you man. I enjoy reacting to each situation individually, doing what i personally would do or simply what is the most entertaining. Choosing to just role light side or dark side is a lot less fun to me. I am disappointed that there is no grey alignment perks as of yet and look forward to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargion Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I have no problem running with old oranges, and most drops are open to everyone... But Relics are a huge problem for someone who wants to run Grey... We get no trinkets basically, which really hurts someone like me who wants to tank and do a flashpoint every few lvls. It means less health for me, and less gear choice. If you go Dark or Light, you have more options for gear. It just makes me sad, a few weeks after launch, I am already being gimped for being something they said would be okay to do and have the same stuff that being Dark or Light does. I know what you're saying dude, and I understand. I play Neutral too. But relax. Bioware is still fixing bugs. They don't have the time ATM To worry about getting Neutral gear in the game. I trust BioWare's judgement on what is most important for the game at this stage, which is bug fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undreamtkid Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 I know what you're saying dude, and I understand. I play Neutral too. But relax. Bioware is still fixing bugs. They don't have the time ATM To worry about getting Neutral gear in the game. I trust BioWare's judgement on what is most important for the game at this stage, which is bug fixing. And I agree that the bugs need to be fixed. I guess I am more hoping to hear from a dev or someone at bioware that this will be addressed in the next few months rather then playing a Neutral to max lvl and find out I am screwed out of 25% of the gear I could be working for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areto Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's not a problem yet because of my level (24), but I turned off the alignment indicators so I could do what I wanted, moved solely by my passions like a good sith, and I also very much liked the revanite quest and it's ideals. So naturally I've turned out to be neutral and I would very much hope that we get something in the future, the problem is of course that dark and light side are tiered and you can't be neutral II etc. So I doubt they ever really had plans for neutral gear, so I expect to wait a long long time (soon) before it happens, if it happens at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargion Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Also, I just wanted to say that I DON'T--Even playing a Neutral Sage myself--feel like there should be advanced gear for NEUTRAL ONLY. I believe that there should be High End Dark-Side Stuff, Light-Side Stuff, and High End Neutral Stuff (Useable by anyone, regardless of alignment.) Make the LS/DS decision based on the story. And let it affect the character's appearance (By way of Gear that looks more Jedi/Sith like). I believe that we neutrals shouldn't be able to wield things that others can't. However, I do feel that we should not be FORCED to have WORSE base gear because we are neutral. Simple solution, make a non-alignment restricted weapon/armor piece for each LS or DS specific armor piece with similar stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryWinds Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 One scenario which I don't think has been addressed is the concept of redemption or falling. I think that anyone who changes their morality from convo to convo is a waffler, but what about going halfway through your class story and having a change of heart? Going from 4000/0 to 4000/4000 with a neutral alignment. That's not waffling, and it's completely justified from a SW lore perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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