Havocis Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So I am a little confused here and I REALLY hope its just me missing some important notes somewhere. Are you ONLY going to get Valor rank in Ilum world PvP?? If thats the case NO ONE is going to fight out there. They will just go there to do their daily and be gone. I mean who is going to fight out in Ilum all day for ONLY valor when you can queue in WZs and get both Valor AND commendations which are NEEDED if you want to get the first 2 tiers of PvP gear. I understand you need valor rank for battlemaster gear but again why would ANYONE waste time in Ilum for only 1 thing when you can get 2 things in WZs. Please someone tell me that im an idiot or something and prove me wrong, this is one time I would REALLY like to think I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 hey its a start maybe start a topic in Test center forums, great place to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrinic Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 No. You are misreading what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tindin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So I am a little confused here and I REALLY hope its just me missing some important notes somewhere. Are you ONLY going to get Valor rank in Ilum world PvP?? If thats the case NO ONE is going to fight out there. They will just go there to do their daily and be gone. I mean who is going to fight out in Ilum all day for ONLY valor when you can queue in WZs and get both Valor AND commendations which are NEEDED if you want to get the first 2 tiers of PvP gear. I understand you need valor rank for battlemaster gear but again why would ANYONE waste time in Ilum for only 1 thing when you can get 2 things in WZs. Please someone tell me that im an idiot or something and prove me wrong, this is one time I would REALLY like to think I am wrong. where is your info coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havocis Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 LMAO your kidding right?? These guys dont listen to anyones ideas. There head Dev and I quote "already knows what gamers want". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcerberus Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Are you ONLY going to get Valor rank in Ilum world PvP?? If thats the case NO ONE is going to fight out there. . Mythic designed the PvP here maybe you dont know much about their other PvP called WAR. allow me to bring you up to speed the gameplay was overly retarded. it took them nearly 2 years to put it on a point where it was almost enjoyable they killed it in the next patch (1.4). dead forever and ever The only thing I expect from SWToR's PvP is to remain horrible and to cause the game to bleed subs until everybody leave the building. Edited January 9, 2012 by blackcerberus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 And BTW i will be there. I am on a PVE server atm and i know my group of friends will be rolling Ilum daily to pick off the Imps. Ill be doing this while i wait for ques in WZ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhart Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) If the valor reward is high then I'd do it, you will get full champion gear before rank 60 anyways and after that you put champion gear on your companions just for the fun of it. What im trying to say is that later on you only need valor, so if the valor is higher then there is profit to be made! Edited January 9, 2012 by Eisenhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havocis Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 My source is from the horses mouth so to speak. http://www.swtor.com/blog/new-year%E2%80%99s-pvp-update "Open World PvP on Ilum: The planet of Ilum currently allows for open world PvP even on a PvE server, but the mechanics and incentives of the planet are not in as intended yet. We’re working on longer term goals for the planet and for other PvP areas, but expect to see some interim adjustments in January - such as more respawn points to focus conflicts, restricting Companion Characters from the area, and revisions to rewards. Ilum will also become a major source of Valor. Valor buffs will increase and decrease based on the objectives your faction owns. These buffs increase the amount of Valor you receive per player kill. However they do not give anything in and of themselves, so players will still need to defeat other players for significant Valor rewards. Additionally, daily and weekly missions will require player kills to complete. Player kills for quests and Valor credit will have diminishing returns per player killed. So, the more players that are fighting other players, the better it is for everyone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havocis Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mythic designed the PvP here maybe you dont know much about their other PvP called WAR. allow me to bring you up to speed the gameplay was overly retarded. it took them nearly 2 years to put it on a point where it was almost enjoyable they killed it in the next patch (1.4). dead forever and ever The only thing I expect from SWToR's PvP is to remain horrible and to cause the game to bleed subs until everybody leave the building. Ummm just to bring YOU up to speed. I played DAOC I know who mythic is. The LEAD Dev (from EA) was the main person that made most of the ideas for WH PvP and shot down Mythics ideas ALL the time. Oh hey and guess what. Mythic takes the fall gets laid off and guess who gets promoted and is now the head dev for SWTOR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acindo Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mythic designed the PvP here maybe you dont know much about their other PvP called WAR. allow me to bring you up to speed the gameplay was overly retarded. it took them nearly 2 years to put it on a point where it was almost enjoyable they killed it in the next patch (1.4). dead forever and ever The only thing I expect from SWToR's PvP is to remain horrible and to cause the game to bleed subs until everybody leave the building. If you are going to refer to a previous MMO of Mythics, it should be DAOC. That was where they could do what they wanted to do. I believe if they were given free reign to do what they want it would be fantastic. But as they don't get to make the big decisions well if the PvP fails in this game I will not be blaming Mythic. I will blame EA like I have for many failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imbrium Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 the problems in this game IMO are too big to fix... their crappy engine can't handle the things needed to make this game succeed for 2012 standards of gaming.... Giving only valor is a poor reason for people to go to Ilum for a number of reasons... The main one being anyone who has been playing pvp since the start is probably already near battlemaster... After you get your rank going to Ilum will be pointless making this area have 0 replay value.... Ilum is also EXTREMELY static and with other games having siege warfare its confusing as to why all the walkers are static and guns are aimlessly shooting into space... Their crappy engine can only handle a couple turrets where you cant actually shoot just aim the damn thing until the timer is up... Finally there is no risk/reward for ilum... do I give a crap if republic controls it? NOPE! do republic care if imperials control it? NOPE! winning this planet rewards nothing or risks nothing therefor nobody gives a crap about it.... if this guy knows what gamers want he is a true moron because the game has NO replay value at level 50..... once you get your ship you can do EVERYTHING a level 50 can do in terms of PVP... As a final note IMO ranked warzones will also fail IMO because of server imbalances and no battlegroups to compete on... rated warzones will probably be imp vs imp huttball all day which is the crappiest warzone..... what kind of warzone punishes players that kill the enemy team? its like you kill half their team only to have them respawn at the optimal defensive position COOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imbrium Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 the problems in this game IMO are too big to fix... their crappy engine can't handle the things needed to make this game succeed for 2012 standards of gaming.... Giving only valor is a poor reason for people to go to Ilum for a number of reasons... The main one being anyone who has been playing pvp since the start is probably already near battlemaster... After you get your rank going to Ilum will be pointless making this area have 0 replay value.... Ilum is also EXTREMELY static and with other games having siege warfare its confusing as to why all the walkers are static and guns are aimlessly shooting into space... Their crappy engine can only handle a couple turrets where you cant actually shoot just aim the damn thing until the timer is up... Finally there is no risk/reward for ilum... do I give a crap if republic controls it? NOPE! do republic care if imperials control it? NOPE! winning this planet rewards nothing or risks nothing therefor nobody gives a crap about it.... if this guy knows what gamers want he is a true moron because the game has NO replay value at level 50..... once you get your ship you can do EVERYTHING a level 50 can do in terms of PVP... As a final note IMO ranked warzones will also fail IMO because of server imbalances and no battlegroups to compete on... rated warzones will probably be imp vs imp huttball all day which is the crappiest warzone..... what kind of warzone punishes players that kill the enemy team? its like you kill half their team only to have them respawn at the optimal defensive position COOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kshahdoo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Mythic designed the PvP here maybe you dont know much about their other PvP called WAR. allow me to bring you up to speed the gameplay was overly retarded. it took them nearly 2 years to put it on a point where it was almost enjoyable they killed it in the next patch (1.4). dead forever and ever The only thing I expect from SWToR's PvP is to remain horrible and to cause the game to bleed subs until everybody leave the building. Hehe, my exact thoughts about WAR. But you forgot DAoC, the best pvp MMORPG... for old farts and mouse clickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havocis Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hehe, my exact thoughts about WAR. But you forgot DAoC, the best pvp MMORPG... for old farts and mouse clickers. Someone has no idea what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Eclipses Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) This topic probably won't get a lot of views or even noticed by the Developers, but it should. What the hell are merc commendations for and why are they in the game if the only way we're supposed to earn them is by trading in WarZone commendations for them? So even if we are on Ilum long enough to earn the required valor to obtain Battlemaster rank - we will STILL be at a disadvantage to people who just spam Warzones as they will be getting Valor at a more reliable and consistent way, as well as the currency needed to purchase pvp gear. TOR's pvp design is so ****-ing bad it's really staggering. I'm not even exaggerating. They need a new head of PvP design. Point blank. Amatangelo just isn't cutting it. Edited January 10, 2012 by Darth_Eclipses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acindo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hehe, my exact thoughts about WAR. But you forgot DAoC, the best pvp MMORPG... for old farts and mouse clickers. So you never played DAoC obviously. Your opinion on the game therefore is meaningless. If you HAVE played it and thats your opinion, its worth even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xVexillex Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 daoc was easlily the best pvp/rvr MMO ever made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowVamp Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 i dont think they really could considering our avg pop per zone is like 289 imps to 20-30 repubs, at least on shadow hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawdskinna Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Try this... Go to Ilum, queue up for PvP. While waiting 1-5 minutes to get into WZ, kill opposite factions. Not much, but when doing this from valor X - 100, it'll probably equate to a few extra levels. Hard. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BegaTasty Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Ummm just to bring YOU up to speed. I played DAOC I know who mythic is. The LEAD Dev (from EA) was the main person that made most of the ideas for WH PvP and shot down Mythics ideas ALL the time. Oh hey and guess what. Mythic takes the fall gets laid off and guess who gets promoted and is now the head dev for SWTOR... Sadly the Mythic of today has nothing to do with the class, skill an quality that was DAOC. As evidenced in tor's "pvp" (I can hardly use that term with a straight face) is a joke, an yet they were quoted as saying "we have the best pvp devs in the industry"... no wonder pvp has sucked since wow's inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesetoe Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So, the more players that are fighting other players, the better it is for everyone." All I read is, please zerg everyone. I ff'ing hate developer who encourage zergs. Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambert Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 When I started PvP I was of the impression that Mercenary Commendations would be rewarded from the World PvP, seemed to make logical sense before having done it, alas this is not the case. Valor is useful though once you have the gear, the grind gets quite steep at V51+ and its a good filler between WZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiracle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Lets sum up this post. We like PVP. We like PvP only if there is a reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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