Adnyl Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's funny because there was a level 24 in one of my hutball games that scored 3 goals. That guy was charging through all sorts of higher levels and he won. Sure, he also had the support of some higher levels too. It sounds like you should try harder. Other than the group that has the premades, you have an equal chance to be carried by the high levels as you do to get beat by them. Play better. Yeah, I'd tend to agree. I've accomplished things and I'm just a 26 Sage. Sometimes brains beat brawl. But still, on the server I'm on (which is a PVE server, to Mr. Useless Remark up there) there is a very often a big imbalance between Empire and Republic in that regard. As in Empire often has more high levels than Republic. Probably because there is more Imperials at all, first. Also because, and that's a personal theory, open to debate, because people who want to be overpowered and win without challenge also want to be the bad guy. Another interesting fact: the imbalance disappears in the later hours of the day. Cause those leet Imps are all kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinij Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 50s should not get any valor from farming low levels in WZ. If you can figure out a way and remove valor acquired in this way - go for it, otherwise just reset it with 1.1 to a reasonable level (~40) @ 50 so everyone is at equal footing. Here is another analogy - if when game came out some people started at level 1 and some at level 20 and more people got to 50, harder it takes to get to 50. That what current situation is like as far as valor acquisition is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaFurz Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Simple truth is that mixed level WZ is an EPIC FAIL. 50s are effortlessly farming low levels and getting undeserved valor. This not only creates situation where sub-50 WZ gameplay is broken, it also gives huge advantage to 50s who managed to exploit this situation and farm Valor. Following needs to happen - as of 1.1 all Valor above 40 needs to be reset, so both old and new 50s get to compete on even basis. Make it happen. ...Iam not even lvl 50 with my highest chracter and have valor 43..I did level up just doing pvp for a while and I do a lot of pvp in general. Iam not supporting your idea and I guess you can imagine why. Edited January 11, 2012 by BobaFurz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinij Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Reset has to happen. BW dropped huge ball allowing 50s to continue farming low levels for so long, allowing exploiters to keep ill-gotten gain is just even worse. This is not unlike gold dupe - someone got tons of valor points without having to compete for it. This is not unlike using hacks to kill end-game raid bosses on hard modes - someone got tons of PvP gear without having to compete for it. Reset gear. Reset valor. Do it via hotfix as soon as possible. 1.1 is not soon enough. Alternative - give _everyone_ rank 60 valor. Ether way, cheaters SHOULD NOT, CAN NOT keep their ill-gotten gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Really not sure if serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Sounds like we have an MMO commie here. No way, I earned my valor by levelling via pvp. MMO capitalism ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nschlan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Reset has to happen. BW dropped huge ball allowing 50s to continue farming low levels for so long, allowing exploiters to keep ill-gotten gain is just even worse. This is not unlike gold dupe - someone got tons of valor points without having to compete for it. This is not unlike using hacks to kill end-game raid bosses on hard modes - someone got tons of PvP gear without having to compete for it. Reset gear. Reset valor. Do it via hotfix as soon as possible. 1.1 is not soon enough. Alternative - give _everyone_ rank 60 valor. Ether way, cheaters SHOULD NOT, CAN NOT keep their ill-gotten gains. So getting to 50 before other people and putting the time in to grind that valor out WITHIN THE GAME SYSTEMS is cheating? Sounds like someone is just straight up bad at PvP. When I was leveling, odds were, I could handle myself against a level 50. Hell, I've seen lowbies top damage or healing before. I know someone who has a toon thats like level 45 with rank 65 valor cause all he did to level was PvP. Should that be taken away too? ****. If they take away gear and valor with a patch the game will die withing a month. Just l2play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SG_Swerve Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 So reset and drive away all your remaining semi hard core pvpers? That's a BRILLIANT plan!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delltron Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I agree. I have no trouble killing 50's. Even against premades, it is not that hard to kill 50's. The ONLY way I can see a reset for valor is if 50's were completely unkillable...which they're not....even to a lvl 10. There are still plenty of us hardcore PvPers around, awaiting the change as well. So anyone's claim of "The hardcore PvPers are gone", is blatantly wrong. This game hasn't even been out a month now. Its not as if this is something that would have come up in beta either. Even the full beta. It takes time to fix this stuff, and the fact that its happening so soon is a good sign. It means they're listening and implementing changes based on the player feedback. BINGO!!! Not sure why this is so hard to understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eital Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Solo queue since level ~20, rank 58, need 42,770 to get to rank 59, now some random sarlacc says I don't deserve them and wants to take them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keedo Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Simple truth is that mixed level WZ is an EPIC FAIL. 50s are effortlessly farming low levels and getting undeserved valor. This not only creates situation where sub-50 WZ gameplay is broken, it also gives huge advantage to 50s who managed to exploit this situation and farm Valor. Following needs to happen - as of 1.1 all Valor above 40 needs to be reset, so both old and new 50s get to compete on even basis. Make it happen. Lol, good luck with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaznik Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 lol. Reset valor and I'm totally unsubbing, that's for sure. And like me, hundreds of other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universalchild Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 all the serious PvPers already cancelled their sub and they arent coming back, so I dont think BW will make the scarce people that still play rage by doing this...they should be desperate to keep subs, and doing that is the polar opposite of having their playerbase content. I guess you got the number of every serious pvper here huh? Right in your tablet? Just pull it out and be like " Hey what's up serious pvp'er you playin swtor tonight?" " Nah bro I guess you missed the serious pvp meeting on Thursday, We all took a vote and we quit. Can you do us a favor though? Can you let the forums know for us? You know...since we quit and all?" "Oh yeah bro! I got you, I'll let em know tonight. Later serious pvp'ers !" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quesa Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yes, and reset valor every couple of weeks so newbies can fight off players who played for much longer. Derp. So you want to farm lowbies instead of have a challenge and fight people who are on a semi-gear equal? derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haeso Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Simple truth is that mixed level WZ is an EPIC FAIL. 50s are effortlessly farming low levels and getting undeserved valor. This not only creates situation where sub-50 WZ gameplay is broken, it also gives huge advantage to 50s who managed to exploit this situation and farm Valor. Following needs to happen - as of 1.1 all Valor above 40 needs to be reset, so both old and new 50s get to compete on even basis. Make it happen. You're... not very bright. First of all the difference between champion and battlemaster is tiny. 4 item level. I don't think you understand what the word 'huge' or the word 'advantage' means. Second of all, there's no effort in farming valor whether facing full premades of 50s or 8 level 10s. Know why? Because even if you suck horrendously, worst case scenario is you're making half the valor of the very best players. This game rewards failure in a big way, so quit crying and buck up buttercup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arzhanin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hello folks, We've done a bit of maintenance in this thread. As a reminder, please post criticism that is constructive and respectful, regardless of how strongly you disagree with a thread topic. Using rude comments or insults is not allowed and does not help the thread discussion. If you do feel a post is in violation of the rules, please Flag it rather than reply. Thanks for your understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinij Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Thanks! Issue with existing approach is that level 50 isn't peak of character power, you get item-levels after that and formula does not account for it. So some level 50s are effectively level 55, or 60 while all low levels are normalized to level 45 or so (~level 50 in crappy greens). To truly fix the formula couple things need to happen. #1 - you are scaled up to level 50 + ilevel based on your level + ilevel. So level 20 in fantastic gear (for level 20) gets to be stronger than level 50 in level 40 gear. #2 - unlock key abilities in WZ for all levels. Some classes simple do not work pre-level X, where level X is when they get key abilities. You can move these abilities to level 10, or you can let characters "sidekick" these powers for WZ use. Edited January 11, 2012 by Sinij Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellOfish Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Simple truth is that mixed level WZ is an EPIC FAIL. 50s are effortlessly farming low levels and getting undeserved valor. This not only creates situation where sub-50 WZ gameplay is broken, it also gives huge advantage to 50s who managed to exploit this situation and farm Valor. Following needs to happen - as of 1.1 all Valor above 40 needs to be reset, so both old and new 50s get to compete on even basis. Make it happen. What? People only play the game. Your fault for going with your lowbie character to a warzone when you damn well know that there will be 50's. Or better said, it's BW's fault for not introducing brackets sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquinom Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Shame on all of us 50s for taking a shortcut through the system, and by taking a shortcut I mean we leveled our characters and didn't just queue before we leveled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinij Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 It is really shameful that BW allowed valor farming to go on for so long. It became clear during first week that scaling formula broke down at level 50, yet they didn't attempt to fix it nor separate into brackets until 1.1 Now we will have bunch of 50 that farmed low levels making it difficult for new level 50 to rank up valor. Clearly, reset needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaay Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Umm, no thank you. I started PVPing on my Assassin at level 10, im now 50 and rank 40 valor. You want me to forefiet all that jsut for you? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talkative Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I could get behind OP. I feel bad for the guys who have already hard grinded valor, though. You definitely won't get the support of the badiators who need the gear imbalance to compete, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaay Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It is really shameful that BW allowed valor farming to go on for so long. It became clear during first week that scaling formula broke down at level 50, yet they didn't attempt to fix it nor separate into brackets until 1.1 Now we will have bunch of 50 that farmed low levels making it difficult for new level 50 to rank up valor. Clearly, reset needs to happen. Where do you get that level 50's farm lowbies? I have seen plenty of times low levels with the stat bump tank a group (like say with the ball in a huttball match) as long as, just like anyone else, they have healers and tanks guarding them etc etc The gap is not as big as you make it out to be. This is not like WoW pvp where even a frersh 85 is farm meat for geard pvpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggletphyre Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Simple truth is that mixed level WZ is an EPIC FAIL. 50s are effortlessly farming low levels and getting undeserved valor. This not only creates situation where sub-50 WZ gameplay is broken, it also gives huge advantage to 50s who managed to exploit this situation and farm Valor. Following needs to happen - as of 1.1 all Valor above 40 needs to be reset, so both old and new 50s get to compete on even basis. Make it happen. Not sure if trolling or just stupid... Probably both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheeling Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Uhh. No way. I was rank 48 when I hit 50... Just because you got farmed every warzone you went into, and kept queueing anyway, does not mean that the rest of us should get our valor reset. You can still be useful as a sub-50, assuming you're on of the only ones in your group. If you have 6-7 sub-50's, then you're probably doomed anyway just because if the other side has any more than 3 or so 50's, you won't be able to stay alive long enough to actually play objectives. Blame the masses on your server who kept queueing only to be farmed, instead of leveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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