Sentinel is not a JEDI.

[TheoNJ]

First of all. apologies for the big text and for my English. it is not my first language and i can't speak much better in my own, but anyways...

 

on topic.

Lets face it!

 

When i saw the dual blades i was instantly sold out!

A JEDI with dual swords? This guy will totally rock.

And with that amazing trailer, where that guy kills one while using 2 swords, just made me fells like i was going to to the right way.

 

i didnt look anything else, but if i had ...

 

i would have made a CONSULAR. The true JEDI.

 

Remember all the powers that a Jedi has.

All the powers that you LOVE when you first saw a Jedi, and you know what im talking about it.

FORCE push, lightning, speed, throw stuffs, but above all, the sentiment of true power, while confined in a weak body, without a medieval armor, just light clothes.

well, you can find ALL those in the consular.

 

I remember watching one episode of cartoon where master windu jumps inside lots of troopers and cast then all away. A Sentinel can't do that, while a consular can.

that's where you show you are fearless and strong. You can get inside a bunch of guys, just taunting everyone and still get out of there alive like a boss. A sentinel will have no way to get out alive. he'll be death in no time. Because he has no FORCE POWERS.

 

A consular can Stun, do damage, HEAL, dash, throw rocks/items at you, he can even be invisible for longer periods, throw me out of the way. you name it!

The sentinel is a just a common swordsman with no powers at all, and with the defense of a HAMSTER. He is not a JEDI.

He bashes and bashes his swords and hopes he kills someone, but a Jedi is more than that.

 

I can point, and so can you, so i'll save us the text, but just for the sake of the argument, a few points that shows this class is wrong, for one example:

-- we have 2 swords, but for some reason, only ONE do damage. So the other is just for cosmetics?

WHY GO TO WAR with 2 swords, if you ARE NOT GOING TO HIT WITH THE SECOND?

 

-- why we throw only ONE of ours swords instead of 2 at the same time? Aren't we SKILLED enough to use 2?

 

-- Why we have no push? while every single class, even no force users have some sort of push. They just punch me in the face and send me 5 meters away. A sentinel has to use SMOKE and run away, which ofc, is the same thing. And my CCs are crap, because if i hit someone that i just CCed, they wake up, like all the other classes too.

 

 

-- We CAN'T do anything i JEDI is supposed to do, because we don't have any major FORCE POWER, like the Consular has. We just bash with a burning sword(isn't that the idea of lightsaber anyways?), bash while hoping to an automatic bash, and bash slowing the target(great)

Dammit, we even JUMP at the same high as all the no force users, but if there is an enemy, we can jump 30 mts. Yeah. that makes sense.

 

I'm going to stop now, it seens i'm losing to anger, and that leads to the Dark Side.

 

And if you want to tell me i'm wrong, think again, because even BW knows about this, or do you think they gave the consular the TITLE JEDI, while the others receive KNIGHT was just a error?

 

I usually like to end saying: May the Force be with you.

and for the sentinel, I really meant it!

[Flozzin]

I think you have some valid points about sentinels not being jedi's.

 

But I think there are some things that are more broken about sentinels than just the fact they don't have many of the jedi type abilities.

 

Our DPS is lacking. Badly. Sure I can tear up a PVP instance, but I am not here for that, I am here for PVE, and every other ranged DPS class can do more damage, and from a safe distance. They tried to make this up by giving us defense, but they forgot that we are a DPS class, not a tank.

 

You experience this the entire time you level, with elite and super elite fights that wipe the floor with you if you don't get a kick in at the right moment.

[fatherjimbo]

I can't tell if you are trolling or not so I give you a 5/10

[Nyliana]

A consular can Stun, do damage, HEAL, dash, throw rocks/items at you, he can even be invisible [...], throw me out of the way...

 

I'm sorry you're not happy with sentinel and you wish to address that to the community, but I can do all of the things quoted as a sentinel, and I enjoy doing it more than I do on a consular.

 

Except maybe the throw.

Edited January 9, 2012 by Nyliana

[LukeSaberRattler]

Jedi use the force in different ways. While some attack by launching items at the enemy others use their sabers and nothing else. How many times did we see Kenobi jump into a fight using nothing but his saber, while Yoda was chucking objects and absorbing attacks. Sentinels simply use the force through their sabers to make attacks stronger. I can still use the force with Stasis, kick, leap, etc...

[TheoNJ]

Addressing some answers.

 

I can't tell if you are trolling or not so I give you a 5/10

 

Not a troll. just a sad panda.

 

I'm sorry you're not happy with sentinel and you wish to address that to the community, but I can do all of the things quoted as a sentinel, and I enjoy doing it more than I do on a consular.

 

Except maybe the throw.

 

 

And while we can stun, our stun lose effect when the target gets hitted. so is more like a pause to take a breath and get some time, instead of a stun to keep hitting.

What heal are you talking about? check the warzones. It is easy to see a consular damage as much as a sentinel while he heals for 100k. If you do that, tell me how, because i dont know.

can you dash, how? or talk about their invisibility and ours.

 

and how can they tank better than us in light armor, if armor its such a difference for a Jedi in the game?

 

Jedi use the force in different ways. While some attack by launching items at the enemy others use their sabers and nothing else. How many times did we see Kenobi jump into a fight using nothing but his saber, while Yoda was chucking objects and absorbing attacks. Sentinels simply use the force through their sabers to make attacks stronger. I can still use the force with Stasis, kick, leap, etc...

 

And if we use the force to do damage with our lightsabers, as in the movies when Kenobi throws his lightsaber, so anakin could dual saber to face a stronger enemy. Why we lack so much damage.

as pointed here

I think you have some valid points about sentinels not being jedi's.

 

But I think there are some things that are more broken about sentinels than just the fact they don't have many of the jedi type abilities.

 

Our DPS is lacking. Badly. Sure I can tear up a PVP instance, but I am not here for that, I am here for PVE, and every other ranged DPS class can do more damage, and from a safe distance. They tried to make this up by giving us defense, but they forgot that we are a DPS class, not a tank.

 

You experience this the entire time you level, with elite and super elite fights that wipe the floor with you if you don't get a kick in at the right moment.

 

Our damage is garbage for someone hitting with 2 lightsabers.

They jump in, they push back us, we run behind and they cc us, we resolute and they outrun us, and you jump again, and another cc, so when i finally reach he enemy, we should completely annihilate the target, but what we see is them healing themselves or we doing the same damage, or lower than all the other classes, ranges included.

 

I went to try some FPs also, and while i was beeing pushed aside all the time by the bosses, the gunslinger was hitting all the time. While i was running back to avoid the aoe damage, the commando was destroying the boss.

 

how can you explain that?

With one lightsaber and one sword that i carry in my OFFHAND made in china, with sensor of movement to produce sound, that doesn't work at all. (ok. that one was trollish:P)

[LukeSaberRattler]

The only problem I have with Sentinel is offhand damage being so low. That is the only change I think needs to be made.

[Coramac]

The only problem I have with Sentinel is offhand damage being so low. That is the only change I think needs to be made.

 

But it isn't...

 

Also to the OP, Sentinels get two light saber throws- Dispatch and Crippling Throw. We get Stasis which is definitely along the lines of what you are looking for. In the Focus tree, you can also get another force power that doesn't have the animation you'd like but is kind of what you indicate you'd like to see. Force Sweep is also another power that goes right along with what you want thematically.

[jaxxdragonan]

...You DO realize that you hit an opponent with both sabers right? All credibility of your first post went out the window OP, when you said Sentinels only attack with one and the other is just for show. So very, very wrong.

[Leiloni]

 

A consular can Stun, do damage, HEAL, dash, throw rocks/items at you, he can even be invisible for longer periods, throw me out of the way. you name it!

 

I just want to point out that a Consular can't do all of that at once.

 

A Shadow can Stealth/be invisible but he can't heal. A Sage can heal but he can't stealth or be invisible.

 

Although you know what class can do all of the above at once? A Scoundrel. Stun, Damage, Heal, throw stuff at you, Stealth. Only thing they don't have is dash but they do have a talent skill that gives them a permanent 15% movement speed buff. Just sayin'.

 

I do think a Jedi Knight is very much a JEDI. Maybe needs some buffing as a class overall, but definitely looks and feels like the Jedi's you see in the movies to me.

[TheoNJ]

...You DO realize that you hit an opponent with both sabers right? All credibility of your first post went out the window OP, when you said Sentinels only attack with one and the other is just for show. So very, very wrong.

 

yeah. I'm very wrong because when i say don't attack with the other weapon everyone here understood that the damage is very lower compared with the main one.

it is like less then 1/3 of the damage and 2/3 of the accuracy. To me and everyone here, this seens wrong, but for you is very, very wrong.

 

and IF you didnt understand that. you say ALL my credibility went out because of that.

This is very, very right?

[Coramac]

yeah. I'm very wrong because when i say don't attack with the other weapon everyone here understood that the damage is very lower compared with the main one.

it is like less then 1/3 of the damage and 2/3 of the accuracy. To me and everyone here, this seens wrong, but for you is very, very wrong.

 

and IF you didnt understand that. you say ALL my credibility went out because of that.

This is very, very right?

 

It's not really less. DWing in this game is really an illusion. It's better to view DWing as basically using a two hander. The difference is largely aesthetic. I'm not sure you can miss an offhand on a Focus using attack. Basically, (mainhand damage + offhand damage + bonus damage) * ability coefficient is what your abilities do. A lot of people get confused because the Bonus damage doesn't apply to the offhand so they assume there is something wrong. If you played WoW, it's like DWing was early in the game. Your special attacks did not use offhand damage. As a result, abilities didn't double dip. You got more damage from auto-attacks and there was an accuracy penalty to compensate.

[FallenValkyrja]

I am happy with the Sentinel so far. As for not always having those abilities... there are times when we get to show we can use the Force in other ways. I have done the Jedi Mind Tricks and, in battle, take a look around. I had one battle in a hangar where I got to drop equipment on the bad guys. Almost missed it because I did not look up. Then Force Jump in and kick butt.

 

~FV~

[Lancerx]

First of all. apologies for the big text and for my English. it is not my first language and i can't speak much better in my own, but anyways...

 

on topic.

Lets face it!

 

When i saw the dual blades i was instantly sold out!

A JEDI with dual swords? This guy will totally rock.

And with that amazing trailer, where that guy kills one while using 2 swords, just made me fells like i was going to to the right way.

 

i didnt look anything else, but if i had ...

 

i would have made a CONSULAR. The true JEDI.

 

Remember all the powers that a Jedi has.

All the powers that you LOVE when you first saw a Jedi, and you know what im talking about it.

FORCE push, lightning, speed, throw stuffs, but above all, the sentiment of true power, while confined in a weak body, without a medieval armor, just light clothes.

well, you can find ALL those in the consular.

 

I remember watching one episode of cartoon where master windu jumps inside lots of troopers and cast then all away. A Sentinel can't do that, while a consular can.

that's where you show you are fearless and strong. You can get inside a bunch of guys, just taunting everyone and still get out of there alive like a boss. A sentinel will have no way to get out alive. he'll be death in no time. Because he has no FORCE POWERS.

 

A consular can Stun, do damage, HEAL, dash, throw rocks/items at you, he can even be invisible for longer periods, throw me out of the way. you name it!

The sentinel is a just a common swordsman with no powers at all, and with the defense of a HAMSTER. He is not a JEDI.

He bashes and bashes his swords and hopes he kills someone, but a Jedi is more than that.

 

I can point, and so can you, so i'll save us the text, but just for the sake of the argument, a few points that shows this class is wrong, for one example:

-- we have 2 swords, but for some reason, only ONE do damage. So the other is just for cosmetics?

WHY GO TO WAR with 2 swords, if you ARE NOT GOING TO HIT WITH THE SECOND?

 

-- why we throw only ONE of ours swords instead of 2 at the same time? Aren't we SKILLED enough to use 2?

 

-- Why we have no push? while every single class, even no force users have some sort of push. They just punch me in the face and send me 5 meters away. A sentinel has to use SMOKE and run away, which ofc, is the same thing. And my CCs are crap, because if i hit someone that i just CCed, they wake up, like all the other classes too.

 

 

-- We CAN'T do anything i JEDI is supposed to do, because we don't have any major FORCE POWER, like the Consular has. We just bash with a burning sword(isn't that the idea of lightsaber anyways?), bash while hoping to an automatic bash, and bash slowing the target(great)

Dammit, we even JUMP at the same high as all the no force users, but if there is an enemy, we can jump 30 mts. Yeah. that makes sense.

 

I'm going to stop now, it seens i'm losing to anger, and that leads to the Dark Side.

 

And if you want to tell me i'm wrong, think again, because even BW knows about this, or do you think they gave the consular the TITLE JEDI, while the others receive KNIGHT was just a error?

 

I usually like to end saying: May the Force be with you.

and for the sentinel, I really meant it!

 

Your off on some of your Jedi Lore, Jedi do not use force lightning as it is a dark side magic, fueled by hatred. I feel the Sentinel is the embodiment of what the Jedi is who has mastered the art of Light Saber combat. They are a absolutely powerful class that can rip through enemies at will, mowing them down like weeds. At times I felt so powerful as a Sentinel, it was a great feeling and really felt like a powerful Jedi. I for one am very happy with this class, look , feel and combat.

[darthtoph]

blablabla..

 

i would have made a CONSULAR. The true JEDI.

 

Remember all the powers that a Jedi has.

All the powers that you LOVE when you first saw a Jedi, and you know what im talking about it.

FORCE push, lightning, speed, throw stuffs, but above all, the sentiment of true power, while confined in a weak body, without a medieval armor, just light clothes.

well, you can find ALL those in the consular.

 

blablabla..

 

Nice story bro. I guess Luke Skywalker was never a Jedi as I don't recall neither force push, lightning, speed etc.

 

And what the hell do you mean by throw stuffs? lol

Edited January 10, 2012 by darthtoph

[HollowVamp]

I think you have some valid points about sentinels not being jedi's.

 

But I think there are some things that are more broken about sentinels than just the fact they don't have many of the jedi type abilities.

 

Our DPS is lacking. Badly. Sure I can tear up a PVP instance, but I am not here for that, I am here for PVE, and every other ranged DPS class can do more damage, and from a safe distance. They tried to make this up by giving us defense, but they forgot that we are a DPS class, not a tank.

 

You experience this the entire time you level, with elite and super elite fights that wipe the floor with you if you don't get a kick in at the right moment.

 

Exactly, not to mention our defense is made crap by the medium armor thing.

[flowqz]

what garbage ...

 

there are several possibilitys to use the force, the sith in the movies tend to use more of the caster stuff while u see jedi using more combat oriented lightsaber moves. in the new movies the jedi consulars (!!!!!!) are using more force attacks than "normal" jedis, so i really dont get your point.

 

btw you think our force leap, bladestorm etc. arent great force abilitys? id say some of our spells just arent caster oriented. our class is focused on close combat... not throwing stuff.

[KonduitX]

This is a video game, what your talking about is pretty much molding every Jedi class into one so everybody can do everything, which doesn't make sense from a MMORPG perspective.

 

But If you want to get into lore...

 

Your comparing the Jedi Order of the Old Republic to the one you see in the movies and the cartoons, which takes place 1000 years ahead of the time frame this game is set in. In the lore the Old Republic takes place during a time where Jedi and Sith roamed the galaxy in great numbers and vast empires fought great wars.

 

The purpose of a Sentinel is to be a master of lightsaber combat and become a weapon of justice that can lead forces into the thick of battle. They are a front line fighter forged by decades of conflict with the Sith Empire.

 

Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars were raised and trained as diplomats and healers. This is why so many Jedi died at the battle of Geonosis, the standard lightsaber form at the time was Niman the "diplomatic" form which was just a mix of the basics from every other form and not designed for full scale combat (Every Niman trained Jedi died during the battle, gg).

Edited January 10, 2012 by KonduitX

[wolfnorthwind]

Force push is the only thing that I feel is missing thematically.

 

But frankly if the enemy isn't stood right next to me then somethings wrong. I really dont need an ability that serves only the purpose of stopping me from being able to kill them.

 

We even get a poorly renamed force choke and some of the most visually forcey powers in the game (centering abilities anyone?)

 

Not even Sage's get exploding blue auras of kick-*** (though i do love their force hadokens).

[GenDisarray]

Remember all the powers that a Jedi has.

All the powers that you LOVE when you first saw a Jedi, and you know what im talking about it.

FORCE push, lightning, speed, throw stuffs, but above all, the sentiment of true power, while confined in a weak body, without a medieval armor, just light clothes.

well, you can find ALL those in the consular.

 

What are you talking about?

[Ocho-Quatro]

Am I the only player that DOESN'T think that Sentinels are broken?

 

I know we are not the highest DPS, and we are not as survivable as a Guardian, and we don't have equivalent force powers/CC as a Consular.....

 

So, what does that make us?

 

We are a little bit of everything. A jack-of-all-trades if you will.

 

I play a Sentinel as my main, and I am at level 30. (Watchman spec) I know, I "should" be higher than 30 by now, but I have really taken my time and enjoyed the stories in both my class missions and side quests.

 

I can stun droids... I can pacify targets... I can temporarily lock them down with Force Stasis... (one of my favorite powers btw) How is that not "Jedi Force Abilities"?

 

I can use the force and my lightsaber abilities to increase my defense through Rebuke and Saber Ward.... Let's not forget about Transcendence, which if you aren't usually ESPECIALLY in teams, than shame on you.

 

And with two good, customizable lightsabers, and decent Strength/Power stats, the Sentinel can deal a considerable amount of melee damage, quite quickly.

 

When you put all of these things together, I have come to the conclusion that if you still think that the Sentinel class is broken... the problem isn't with the class: It's either with the broken way you are playing at the keyboard, or you have unrealistic expectations about the class which would make it overpowered.

 

(Keep in mind... this is all strictly with regard to PvE... I have not explored PvP at all yet.)

[Lomerell]

Am I the only player that DOESN'T think that Sentinels are broken?

 

I know we are not the highest DPS, and we are not as survivable as a Guardian, and we don't have equivalent force powers/CC as a Consular.....

 

So, what does that make us?

 

We are a little bit of everything. A jack-of-all-trades if you will.

 

 

I don't think Sentinels are broken. I've never thought I had to be top dog (or top damage or whatever) to be a viable class.

 

Over the course of MMOs, some classes emerge on top. Unless the class cannot beat mobs or classes in PvP, what's the use crying?

[Ocho-Quatro]

Oh yeah... one more thing.....

 

Remember all the powers that a Jedi has.

 

FORCE push, lightning, speed, throw stuffs, but above all, the sentiment of true power, while confined in a weak body, without a medieval armor, just light clothes.

 

I remember watching one episode of cartoon where master windu jumps inside lots of troopers and cast then all away.

 

Let us not forget something quite important:

 

A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never attack.

 

I actually feel like MORE of a Jedi since I don't have many "Force ATTACKS".......

[Zedakah]

So far the class that feels like a true jedi is Shadow in the balance tree. It ihas a greet synergy between force powers and melee moves, as crits with force help out melee crits, and melee crits reduce force power cast time/cooldowns. I have found leveling as balance much easier and faster than leveling any sentinel spec.

 

The other class I'm eager to try is the guardian as they get force push and a worthy saber throw. Where shadow/balance leans a bit more on force powers, the guardian is more melee-oriented with the capability of using the force. I'd like to see how the dps guardian tree holds up to the shadow balance tree.

 

I love this jedi knight storyline, but I cringe when I see my character slice through metal pipes and mainframes in cutscenes with a lightsaber. Then in actual combat I feel like I've got two neon NERF bats smacking a guy in the head until I knock him unconscious. I guess other classes have similar features, but at least with shadow balance, I can create a hole in an npc's chest with my lightsaber, or finish him off with force powers.

[DrakerRaze]

At least give us a knock back. In my opinion, Force Push should have been a Jedi Knight skill not a Jedi Guardian skill.

I recently did False Emperor with 2 sent dps, 1 sent tank (lol i know), and 1 Commando healer. Worked fine till Final boss required (spoiler) 2 knock backs to win the fight. As mentioned above, all other classes have a knock back but sentinels.

 

OR

 

Give Sentinels some sort of Frontal Cone Knock-back. Sweep your lightsabers apart in front of you, creating a wave of force that knocks all targets in front of Sentinel back X Yards.

 

Would love number 2 but doubt they would add a new ability to the game for us so number 1 would suffice.

Edited January 10, 2012 by DrakerRaze