Terrestrial Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I want to see some numbers here to develop a better sense of how effective TB has been in PvP. I have only gotten a 2300 or 2400 TB pre Tier 1 epics and dropped the spec afterwards. Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleam Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Sorry to burst your bubble but TB is completely garbage of a spell and spec. Lightning tree is the opposite of spike damage/big crits. It likely shouldn't be that way considering the amount of points you have to put in that tree to grab it, but fact is death field is soooo much better and if properly setup will crit in the 5.5-6k range on a single target and can do so on up to 3 targets and its an instant cast and due to its 8 meter range has an effective damage distance of 34 meters just under the 35 you van spec the lightning abilities into making distance a non factor as well. There are a ton of other reasons I won't go into why speccing into TB is garbage, but in short likely no one who actually tracks there total/highest dps/crit will or should be specced into it. If you want big crits there are many threads on madness/lightning specs that contain a wealth of information that I suggest you look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnazg Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Sorry to burst your bubble but TB is completely garbage of a spell and spec. Lightning tree is the opposite of spike damage/big crits. It likely shouldn't be that way considering the amount of points you have to put in that tree to grab it, but fact is death field is soooo much better and if properly setup will crit in the 5.5-6k range on a single target and can do so on up to 3 targets and its an instant cast and due to its 8 meter range has an effective damage distance of 34 meters just under the 35 you van spec the lightning abilities into making distance a non factor as well. There are a ton of other reasons I won't go into why speccing into TB is garbage, but in short likely no one who actually tracks there total/highest dps/crit will or should be specced into it. If you want big crits there are many threads on madness/lightning specs that contain a wealth of information that I suggest you look into. CL will do higher damage than death field if you use it on light armor targets and if you're fully specced into the tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleam Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 CL will do higher damage than death field if you use it on light armor targets and if you're fully specced into the tree. Once again you are fully specced in a crap tree to achieve those results, and you would once again be basing your ability to gain those high crits on a long cast time hoping your targets still standing in los like a noob since you will have spent too many points in lightning to be able to grab wrath for the ability to instant cast CL like you could with the combination spec not to mention wrath would increase the CL noncrit significantly and the crit to nearly the same damage lvl as you gain from RF while not having to grab crap abilities on the way and only costs 1 point instead of 5 to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnazg Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Once again you are fully specced in a crap tree to achieve those results, and you would once again be basing your ability to gain those high crits on a long cast time hoping your targets still standing in los like a noob since you will have spent too many points in lightning to be able to grab wrath for the ability to instant cast CL like you could with the combination spec not to mention wrath would increase the CL noncrit significantly and the crit to nearly the same damage lvl as you gain from RF while not having to grab crap abilities on the way and only costs 1 point instead of 5 to do so. You should've went Sith Warrior for all the rage you are using to post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathulhu Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Actually, that post was very minimal on rage. And he's right, Lightning is terrible to go a 31 spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukefish Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You should've went Sith Warrior for all the rage you are using to post here. Seriously...? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukefish Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 How are you getting these huge crits with death field? I am not in much pvp gear (2/5 no offset pieces), but my death field NEVER crits higher than 2k. highest I have gotten my CL to is 2.7k, and i struggle to do that (WZ buff, recklessness, warth, and a lot of luck) Could you maybe share your build? Or just some tips? I suspect that it is just a general lack in gear that doesn't let me hit that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrestrial Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 How do you crit with Death Field for 5k? The multiplier would have to be insane there. Do you mean in the aggregate on multiple targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrestrial Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 And yes the point of the thread was just to confirm what I knew about 31 point lightning in pvp. Don't do it. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidaen Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) How do you crit with Death Field for 5k? The multiplier would have to be insane there. Do you mean in the aggregate on multiple targets? Same way scoundrels/ops/juggs get 5k+ crits, red buff+ exp consumable+ stim+trinket. DF 5k+ on everyone isnide of it. It's still less exciting than jugg smash for 7-8K aoe per target. Consumables in WZ are pretty crazy when you target a player below lvl 50. All your buffs+expertise vs 0 expertise. I usually split buffs and you can get 30ish seconds every minute and a half of buffs. Queue from Illum pvp zone and you can keep it's buff which stacks as well. Here is the original thread explaining it. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=141362 "Consumables used: -Adrenal- Bonus: 565 Power. 3min CD, 15s duration, shares cooldown with other adrenals only -Trinkets- Bonus: 220crit/surge and 355 power. 2 min CD, 30s shared CD (can't hit both at once, but can rotate them), 20s duration. -Expertise pot- Bonus: 15% expertise (additive with gear/powerup). 3 min CD, 25s duration. Shared CD with commendation heal consumable. -Warzone red buffs- Bonus: 15% expertise (additive with gear/pot). Respawn every 2 minutes, easy to reach locations in all WZs. -Rakata Medpac- 5000-6000heal +2000hot/15secs every 1min 30s, shares CD only with other medpacs." Edited January 8, 2012 by Zidaen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garricus Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I get 5k+ crits all the time with Death Field. I have full champion so 10% expertise there, then the 15% expertise buff from consumable or wz one, power adrenal and relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iakki Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 My server has gotten off to a slow start as I picked a low pop PvP. I'm 50 and only have 6 pieces of champ gear, 2 of which are the power/crit relics. I'm 18 lightning/23 madness and I've hit as high as 2.8 with both CL and DF, but I have been saving my consumables. I never considered hitting that high as a possibility, though I have dealt 412k dmg in one wz (doubt that's much of an accomplishment on other more advanced servers). Thanks for the glimmer of hope, I think I'll go try and break 500k lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SporadicusDecoy Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Lightning is definitely not meant to be a PvP tree. Read the Sorceror forum post "Sorceror PvP Thoughts. . ." to get a better idea of what ails the lightning spec in PvP. Lightning focuses more on the spells that require you to stand still. Yes, TB can cause a LOT of damage with affliction up and since it has a +50% surge value (which, by my assumption, should raise your crit percentage to +75% dmg for CL, LS, and TB). but you stand still for 2 seconds, which is an eternity in PvP. The only reason to go Lightning spec is if you are on a good team that can keep guys off of you while you are casting that OMGWTFPWNED spell on someone. That's rarer than the chance of getting a purple drop from a monster! It is pretty fun to see the procs line up right, though. Alacrity and Forked Lightning don't bring up the lightning tree's PvP ability very well, even though they are awesome damage increasers. And since LS procs both instant CLs and Forked lightning, you can get very good burst damage. But most of this tree is for PvE. PvP users rarely stop an cast spells, as stopping in the game places a big target on your head. It's like snaring without the opponent having the waste an ability. Bottom line: Don't put all your points in the Lightning tree for PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw_dragon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Im wondering if anyone has played around with the surge stat, doesn't seem like you need a lot to make your crit multiplier nice and juicy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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