RealityShow Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I dont know why I choose the juggernaut, he is the worst class I have ever played.His tank abilities are just zero, for a headhunter its just too easy to steal my aggro.Till with guard it is hard to keep aggro, in groupfights I run like a chicken between my targets, yuhu 90% ranged mobs, and not one good skill to bind them on me...Very funny, if I charge a turrent the play with me tennis or pong.Next point PvP whats my function in it? All other classes can hold the ball longer and better than me. Ok ok every 3 min I can take my CD but what should I do than? Waiting for them to come back?...My damage is soooooo unbalance that my opponent can go sleep or something else. I hope I am not the only one with this problems, or somebody can help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 What level are you? I'm a lvl 50 juggernaut, I own in huttball since people can't kill me. I am currently tanking HM EV (riding the bike back as I type this) and am doing just fine. I don't know why you're having so many problems, but the class isn't the main problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbss Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The problem for most people with this class lies between the chair and the keyboard from what ive seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTeMpLaR Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 What level are you? I'm a lvl 50 juggernaut, I own in huttball since people can't kill me. I am currently tanking HM EV (riding the bike back as I type this) and am doing just fine. I don't know why you're having so many problems, but the class isn't the main problem immortal tree isn't the issue with the jugg vengeance/rage trees are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 immortal tree isn't the issue with the jugg vengeance/rage trees are Neither tree is meant to be tanky, which is the problem. Rage is freaking AMAZING in PvP, doing 5-6k crits to 5 people around you every 12 seconds. Vengeance is more PvE based and can put out consistent DPS that is only ~10-15% away from the best dps in out guild. (I've posted about the DPS test we do earlier, if you want more info pm me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solehn Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 . Rage is freaking AMAZING in PvP, doing 5-6k crits to 5 people around you every 12 seconds. Think you are over selling it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwind Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Rage tree dmg is OP for PvP in my opinion, and im LOVIN it. People freak when they get spanked with massive burst dmg from a Jugg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Literati Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I dont know why I choose the juggernaut, he is the worst class I have ever played. His tank abilities are just zero, for a headhunter its just too easy to steal my aggro. Till with guard it is hard to keep aggro, in groupfights I run like a chicken between my targets, yuhu 90% ranged mobs, and not one good skill to bind them on me... Very funny, if I charge a turrent the play with me tennis or pong. Next point PvP whats my function in it? All other classes can hold the ball longer and better than me. Ok ok every 3 min I can take my CD but what should I do than? Waiting for them to come back?... My damage is soooooo unbalance that my opponent can go sleep or something else. I hope I am not the only one with this problems, or somebody can help me. Seems pretty obvious that you are either not tank spec'd or not a very high level. Juggernauts have a range and aoe taunt. We have several types of stuns and interrupts, including an aoe stun. We also have several abilities that cause high amounts of threats, including 2 aoe attacks. If you're having a problem with threat then you need to look at your rotation because you're doing something wrong. I do think immortal spec might be lacking in the pvp department, but we're far from useless. We offer amazing protection through guard, taunts, and intercept. We should either be running the ball, defending points, or defending our healers. Immortal spec isn't meant for huge numbers damage wise, but we're tough to take down with our defensive cool downs. I can't speak for the other specs, but I haven't seen any *competent* players complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathoran Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The problem for most people with this class lies between the chair and the keyboard from what ive seen. lol yup , leveled up to 50 as a tank and everything was fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) I can't lie, I love this class. Because I love it, I make it work. I feel pretty strong in tanking, and competitive in pvp. It pretty much makes me feel like a beast when I play it. When you know you're doing it right, you *know.* Edited January 7, 2012 by sanctified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noth Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Neither tree is meant to be tanky, which is the problem. Rage is freaking AMAZING in PvP, doing 5-6k crits to 5 people around you every 12 seconds. Vengeance is more PvE based and can put out consistent DPS that is only ~10-15% away from the best dps in out guild. (I've posted about the DPS test we do earlier, if you want more info pm me) those 5-6k crits are an extreme rarity that takes all damage buffs on you. Stacking power and surge without those extra buffs you typically top out around 4k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacadus Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The tanking at 50 is fine and the jug in pvp is pretty OP if played correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheToony Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The problem for most people with this class lies between the chair and the keyboard from what ive seen. All that means is the class requires a highly skilled player just to get mediocre dps/survivability while a novice can roll a gunslinger and faceroll people with little to no experience. Realize that your skill is bridging the gap of a mediocre class and that you'd be far better with any other class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heith Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 yeah if you think youre awesome now try a bounty hunter it will make you think twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzle_flash Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 those 5-6k crits are an extreme rarity that takes all damage buffs on you. Stacking power and surge without those extra buffs you typically top out around 4k Hmm feels like im following you around the boards.... lol Those crits are not a rarity, once you cycle obliterate and keep shockwave loaded, your talking half of them critting. Without overcharge/relics/might stims etc, the highest ive seen pop on a pvp geared 50 was 4.8k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I'll take some screenshots, pretty much every game I'll get the 5k crit medal without the expertise buff. You get a smash combo about every 10-12 seconds if you use your abilities correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I think Marauder has more problems than Jugg. A guildie of mine deleted his 30 Jugg because to reroll a Maur because he hated it and he's going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakevren Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 All that means is the class requires a highly skilled player just to get mediocre dps/survivability while a novice can roll a gunslinger and faceroll people with little to no experience. Realize that your skill is bridging the gap of a mediocre class and that you'd be far better with any other class. Pretty much. After playing the Juggernaut to the best of my ability, other classes are absolute cake and easy to roflpwn with. Those other classes are just that much easier to play compared to the Juggernaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 All that means is the class requires a highly skilled player just to get mediocre dps/survivability while a novice can roll a gunslinger and faceroll people with little to no experience. Realize that your skill is bridging the gap of a mediocre class and that you'd be far better with any other class. I disagree; A well played Jugg is near immortal and still capable of dealing ridiculous amounts of damage. You can easily "bridge the gap" and go far above and beyond other classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengobotas Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) The tanking at 50 is fine and the jug in pvp is pretty OP if played correctly. Ive pulled agro against every single jugg ive ever played with. You may be god at playing a jugg but most of the people who play this game are failing and I simply dont believe the population overall is that bad at a relatively simple task, single target tanking. Trying to beat enrage timers with a jugg tanking is a joke. Edited January 7, 2012 by Tengobotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Ive pulled agro against every single jugg ive ever played with. You may be god at playing a jugg but most of the people who play this game are failing and I simply dont believe the population overall is that bad at a relatively simple task, single target tanking. Trying to beat enrage timers with a jugg tanking is a joke. Do tell, what enrage timers? What class do you play? Are you unloading your biggest hits as soon as the jugg grabs the mob? Is the jugg working taunt into his rotation? Having done 6/6 NM, 5/6 HM (not Soa) and every Heroic Flashpoint save for D7 (too goddamn long) as a juggernaut tank, I really fail to see where you are coming from (especially since you seem to be playing a DPS). Please, do tell why juggernauts are such major fails that big guilds consistently run and clear content with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raddpuppy Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 The problem for most people with this class lies between the chair and the keyboard from what ive seen. Yep, Its a matter of terrible players play classes that are just fine. Usually not taking it to a respectable level to even pass judgment. My juggernaut has been my favorite so far, i also have an inquisitor and merc. almost equal level. I tank every FP my guild throws at me and dominate. did i mention i tank as a dps spec. all it takes is a little voice chat and healers that arnt total ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananaface Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Do tell, what enrage timers? Clearly didn't even get past the turrets before first boss in EV. So pls su, u no nothing. Edited January 7, 2012 by bananaface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatzahMaul Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) My Juggernaut is my favorite character. He is only level 24, but I can solo (with a healing companion) champions and elites just fine. I have tanked all my flashpoints and heroics. I even level in Immortal spec. I do have a level 23 Operative (dps), a level 20 Merc BH (healer) and a level 18 Assassin. Juggernaut is by far my favorite. Edited January 7, 2012 by MatzahMaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanguar Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 FFS ppl.... don't like juggernaut? don't play it, stop whining and go trolling othere forums... want to stay? learn to play him, learn his proc and cons and use them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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