Wrong. Melee was king in both EQ1 and EQ2. Also no coincidence those were the 2 best PvE games ever made.

Im gonna bookmark this thread for when Nightmare mode gets released. I'll bet you anything that NMM gets cleared on the first day as well. If I'm wrong I'll happily unsub. (and if I'm right I'll happily unsub )

Seems the only reason people have for hard factions are "WoW did it", "They are at war!" and "Shutup guy u r teh stupid!" Again. Lore doesnt matter. Bioware threw out the lore once they allowed people to roll Pure Blood Sith Jedi and force wielding smugglers. You people seriously gonna tell me that in a war you have ZERO communication and socialization between two sides? Again hard factions dont bring anything good to the game. It just artificially seperates the playerbase under the guise of "lore" which no longer matters in this game.

For a game which encourages playing alts the fact that this game has two hard factions which cant socialize only hurts the game. For example, Class stories makeup like 5%-10% of the entire leveling process. The rest is repeating the same awful side quests or playing huttball 1000 times. This problem can be helped by leveling alts on the opposite faction of your main but theres one HUGE problem with this.........your new alt cant join your current guild! So why waste my time leveling an alt thats on the Repub side when my guild is Empire? Of course some people will go but omgz we needed hard faction for teh story and you cant mix empire with repub in 1 guild cuz the lore guy! This excuse might have flown before they allowed things like Pureblood Sith Jedis and force wielding Bounty Hunters. Hard factions add NOTHING to this game and only discourage people from rolling alts on the opposite faction their guild resides. But Bioware simply had to have 2 hard factions cuz u know. WoW did it.

Yep they are a main character/endgame related time sink which add more character progression to an RPG! Omg character progression? who wants that lol its a grind grrrr! Much better to have us grind alts guy. Because thats less grindy? /logic:rak_eek:

Class stories makeup like 5%-10% of the entire leveling process. The rest is repeating the same awful side quests or playing huttball 1000 times. This problem can be helped by leveling alts on the opposite faction of your main but theres one HUGE problem with this.........your new alt cant join your current guild! So why waste my time leveling an alt thats on the Repub side when my guild is Empire? Of course some people will go but omgz we needed hard faction for teh story and you cant mix empire with repub in 1 guild cuz the lore guy! This excuse might have flown before they allowed things like Pureblood Sith Jedis and force wielding Bounty Hunters. Hard factions add NOTHING to this game and only discourage people from rolling alts on the opposite faction their guild resides. But Bioware simply had to have 2 hard factions cuz u know. WoW did it.

And if Bioware thinks that the legacy system is going to entice lots of gamers to stay or come back to SWTOR then they are out of their minds. An AA system would have been 100x more appealing to the average MMO gamer (and infinitely more appealing to the hardcore, endgame focused player). Mark my words. The legacy system will. be. a. failure. Book it.

Another angry soccer mom who wants to login and get free loot in 15 minutes or less so she can go watch American Idol. This is new.

Casual Solo guy says, "SWTOR shouldnt be about gear but the fun!!!" Casual solo guy says, "I want the best gear too. Why does he get better gear than me when we all pay the same sub fee?!" Gotta love the hypocrisy from the CasuLoLs

Rumor is in 1.3, all raid/pvp gear will get mailed to you immediately so instead of having to waste time doing dumb things like raiding you can just focus on the endgame story and watch American Idol as SWTOR was meant to be played.

Ah the old Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker argument....thats new. "I pay the same sub fee as everyone else and I work and have kids so give me all teh lewtz NOA!"

As a casual I DEMAND Bioware add Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker as a vibrosword. I pay the same sub fee as WoW players and deserve it.

You mean to tell me theres actually someone out there who finds dailies enjoyable and entertaining? Lol ok. Sounds to me like you are one of those casuals who say, "It should be about fun not loot!" and then come into threads like this and go, "why should only raiders get the best loot! I pay the same sub fee, why shouldnt I get a Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?"

I think its fun to go kill lvl 1 mobs on hutta. How come I dont get the best loot in the game for doing this?! I DEMAND FUN LOOT EQUALITY!

Nope. Learn 2 read patch notes bro

I agree that challenge should be the primary motivation for raiding.....of course since SWTOR raids arent challenging (unless Soa is bugged) that leaves us with only loot. Loot which we can now just run some crappy dailies and get "hard mode" epic loots. This game just keeps getting worse.

If this actually goes live it'll be the end for me. Too many good games coming out from May-July to put up with garbage like this. forcing people to run soul-sucking dailies as a way to slow content progression is awful game design.

1.2 PvE Gear: "Campaign" hard Raid Gear is Rating 146 (Mod Slot 61) "Blackhole" Corellia Commendation Gear is Rating 146 (Mod Slot 61) Whats the point of raiding in SWTOR when I can just run some faceroll dailies and get "hard mode" raid gear. Raiding in this game keeps getting worse not better. GW2 out yet?

Sure there will. You keep fightin the good fight there lil guy. Thats the spirit!

LOL! They aren't holding back nightmare mode to ensure it needs more testing...they are holding it back so guilds dont clear it on nightmare mode on the FIRST DAY wihich we all know WOULD happen. Whatever bugs exist in normal and hard mode would exist in nightmare anyways. Its not like the mechanics are any different now are they?

What "Bonuses" are those? Sounds to me like Bioware throws out a word like bonuses and you just focus on the word without actually knowing what said bonuses are. Me, "So what Bonuses do I get for my main character that makes legacy super cool?" You, "Well Bioware said you get bonuses which are really useful!" Me, "Oh ya? what do they do? Which ones?" You,"BON-US-ES. You get them guy! wow can u not read!?" Me, "ಠ_ಠ"

Why would i wanna purchase alt related bonuses if i dont play alts? Oh thats right i can buy a mailbox for my ship and call it endgame content.

You think having a mailbox and a crafting vendor in your ship= endgame content?

You dont want an MMO which is more like a solo player game yet you like SWTOR which is the most solo player MMO ever created? lulz

Well the game isnt fun currently so i guess they may as well just tear it all down and crap all over the lore. We already have light side Sith so why not? Gonna take alot more than what they are offering in 1.2 to make SWTOr "fun". LOTS more