Not sure if I should be thinking I'm doing X amount of dmg shown or if I need to multiply X by the Expertise % to get my real damage

Bumped for others to see and possibly show support

How hard would it be to give valor points per daily /weekly pvp quest completion? Also, how hard would it be for me to be able give a mispurchased item back to the pvp vendor for a refund of my tokens for a certain period of time or atleast before I equip the item? Please bump to keep this thread alive until they take action on these and to show your support.

So you're saying melee's role in open world pvp is to pick up trash?

I go to Ilum as a Marauder to only face a group of range people clustered up shooting AOE at our group of clustered up people. If I jump at them I die almost instantly. If I wait I get no kill valor points as the ranged clump of my team gets the tag on people and I get no points. I'm not wanting to sit and do nothing and get free points but the disadvantage is seriously to the melee with how strong BW has made the range people as a group. This has gotten so bad that I have quit my melee for a range, which is sad because people shouldn't feel that they have to play as a specific class type in order to benefit from PVP

Yoda: "Do not underestimate the power of Ilum or suffer its boring crate box fate and slideshow fps you will." You: "I'm not bored with Ilum!" Yoda: "You will be, you ... will ... be"

Or you could just go afk and go watch TV or Netflix until the game is over. Then repeat... I'm not suggesting you do that, just saying that what I suggested will net you more Valor overtime.

Go troll somewhere else please... This thread is about what it would take to get someone to play as Mara, not how you come to say there is nothing wrong and that they are the most played class.

I can't tell if you're kidding or lieing... If marauders were as "fine" and "good" as you say there would be more people playing them

Personally, I'd like to see: Assault white dmg increased A little more burst / chance to crit on our abilities A general root ability outside of the class trees. A force pull perhaps that also roots the target (yes we have leap, but I prefer not to have to leap into a large group and get focused if I can help it given how squishy I am and the fact that I'd be dead before I can really get any serious dmg going). A heal each time I camaflaged. A tree skill that makes me immune to certain CC or reduces CC against me by x seconds.

Curious to see what it would take BW to do to the Mara class to get more of you to play as one.

Im talking about Marauders and Snipers rarely placing at the top of the DMG charts, and the general laughability of the threat they pose to other PVPers?

It just seems that because I am not exploiting the game and because I did not rush to 50 skipping content that took a lot of time to create that I have been punished for it and will always have to live with that punishment because there is no correction on the part of BW against the exploiters. I guess the lesson here is to exploit the game to succeed? I sure hope not but it seems that way to me and if it happens often enough to my disadvantage for following the rules then I am leaving.

Is there any official memo or article where BioWare has discussed its goals and reasons for implementing the PVP system it currently uses? Im talking about reasons behind: - PVP being gear based, specifically the reason for the way they determined which stats and by how much, even more specifically Expertise. - Did they anticipate the rush 50s getting BM and farming lowbies? Do they think that broke the system at all as far as balance and competitiveness when they made the brackets and didn't do anything about how much more difficult it is now for new 50s to be competative? - Did they anticipate the issues that Ilum is going through and how individuals are not PVPing the way BW intended? Do they have some ideas they are trying to implement to fix something's and I'm not just talking about mechanics but also the seemingly unfair advantage people are getting before there is a fix, which seems like they will get to keep. - What is BW thoughts on why so many people have flocked to generally Sorc/Sages and Merc/Troopers? Do they think that it was a fluke or are they examining the classes themselves? - What is BW thoughts on what to do about so few in number wanting to go republic? And that there is almost no world pvp as a result and people are just trading kills in Ilum.

I started thinking of The Little Mermaid when you described how bad things were and then said *starts dreaming*. I totally expected a music score to start playing. ... Up where they walk; up where they run; up where they PVP all day in the sun!... Wish it were me, wish I could be ... a part of that world.....

That's pretty smart but my solution is simpler if you disassemble it why not just make it useable by both hands.

You are now 2 for 2 FAIL posts. Pre 50 can have expertise

I guess, but that's pretty lame reasoning on the devs part

FAIL post is FAIL. You go to this vendor for pvp specific stats on your weapons.

I am assuming that the devs who designed the weapons for the PVP vendor realize that Marauders use 2 sabers? This being the case, then can a dev tell me why there are only MAIN HAND sabers available? You need to make the Battlerager saber useable by either hand

tldr; close this troll thread down.

Yes, so strong that no one plays them.

Hahahahahahahabahahaha! Oh wait you are serious... Let me laugh even harder then. BWAHAHAHAHAHaHahHahhaha

I doubt that one person killing most of the other teams defense is what causes a loss of a match.

I believe this was more the case in my situation. I didn't have a healer following me around. I was just smart about what I was doing. I will say that when ever I ran past a healer to kill someone I was healed a little but not so much or so often that I had a pocket healer. And yes the sad fact is that in order for Mara to do well or any class really, your probably going to ignore the objectives. But to suggest that we failed because I wasn't always where ball was is a FAIL comment. In fact, one could argue that we should win because most of thier team died at my hands very often, presenting less of a defense our ball carrier was up against.