I fail to see how that is relevant at all. Sounds like you just want forced innovation on every aspect of the game. What a mess that would be. Be careful what you wish for.

You missed my point. There is not going to be any significant innovation in the current, popular MMO gameplay model because it works. There is no reason to reinvent the wheel.

Not all innovation is positive. There are many MMOs out there with different types of gameplay, but are far less popular. No, you cannot just dismiss it as people wanting the familiar. Maybe the reason why people like it, is wait for it,...it is a better style that works/is popular and only needs small tweaks and improvements. People clamoring for innovation for the sake of innovation really have no idea what they are getting themselves into. If you don't understand my point, I will refer you to Hellgate: London as an example. I would regard it as a fairly innovative MMO (think FPSer style with Diablo elements) that became a pile of poop. A lot of things sound good on paper...

This game was perfectly fine to be released when it did. It doesn't make financial sense to just keep the game in house, for god knows how long, to get it "perfect". Releasing for the holidays got them 2 million box sales and 1.7 million subscribers so far. An MMO is NEVER done, keep repeating that to yourself until it sinks in. There are no game breaking bugs in this game, it is perfectly playable. So lets stop the hyperbole, these forums have enough as it is.

They have. You are just not noticing it for some reason. This release was extremely smooth and the bugs are really not game breaking. In past MMOs I have played, there was terrible lag, constant server shutdowns, and literally game breaking bugs. But of course, nobody talks about the positive. Lets all focus on the negative that not ALL noticed bugs were fixed in beta. There will never be a bug free MMO on release day, I am sorry to destroy your dream.

These are not PR people. This is a quarterly earnings report to STOCKHOLDERS. Fabricating these numbers is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. We have used these very same numbers for every single MMO to date, you can't suddenly deny this and say now they are totally fabricated when before they were not. They are the only reliable numbers we have on subscriptions, everything else is bull dung. "Bioware making up numbers and breaking the law to prove the forum hating trolls wrong". I think I have heard it all.

Yes, I added a post script for those brave few keeping up the fight.

Where are you now, doomsayers? This is why you never listen to doom saying ranters, they never show up when they are wrong. P.S. Oh I do see some of you doomsayers here, hello! Still clinging on to your dead wrong opinions? I am sorry to hear that the facts got in your way, but keep up the good fight. Still got numbers to twist and conspiracy theories to make!

I don't think it is a "failure in game design". It was an intentional design decision to make the game very focused on creating multiple characters (class story, legacy system). However, no that doesn't excuse other problems the game may have but you have to realize it is quite clearly made to be a key feature of the game.

I find it ironic that a person that, so out-rightly, opposes the exact system that allows him to have that opinion and voice it. I ask you, how well have dictatorships fared in human history? They have almost all been terrible failures, especially for the people. It scares me that one man/woman can actually think, that they themselves, are the only person that knows what it takes to lead a nation. The ego of man is utterly disgusting at times.

This as well. While not everyone in the Sith empire is from the sith race, they really set the standard for what the Sith empire is.

The Sith have always been portrayed as the embodiment of evil. While not everyone in the Sith Empire is wholly evil, the people running the show (the force sensitive sith lords) are pretty much the definition of evil. I don't see how they could portray selfish, power-hungry, murderers as good guys. I mean the motto "only the strong survive", isn't exactly a great basis for a good, nice, and happy society. The star wars universe, especially with force users, is fairly black and white with a few exceptions (i.e. grey jedi).

Analogies are the argument tool of the ignorant and uncreative.

Because if we waited for a bug-free MMO the game would never come out and it is not financially possible to let the game develop over long periods of time. It is really that simple. It is not a excuse, it is simple reality. I think it is getting better though, but don't expect many on the forums to recognize that.

EQ is a UO clone in 3D. WoW is a easy mode EQ clone. TOR is a WoW clone with story. Nope. They all sound equally stupid. Do something innovative, also known as risky, people yell at you for not copying what has been already successful. Copy something that has been proven to be successful, people yell at you for not being innovative enough. Make a MMO that actually adds meaningful leveling story, individual class story, developed companions, and fully voiced dialogue and all everyone focuses on what they copied from previous MMOs that have proven to be successful (hint: not just WoW). Dear "WoW clone" posters, please stop. You are not saying anything profound or important.