I'm also very impressed with your improvised Funko Pops <3

That would be the decider on clone or not If Marr's force ghost disappears and the duplicate starts asking after Satele we'll rule it a duplicate Marr. If he continues to exist we'll rule it a clone .

And it would be. Endless. But a more entertaining never ending discussion by my count .

Oh god! Truly terrible predictions XD -I think they did state that he's `properly` dead. But I believe a dev was talking about being interested in showing where he put his first body etc. Stuff involved in that; I think that has more to do with showing some of how he did things and the legacy he left behind (Bad, probably bad ) , then resurrecting him though. Think if anyone was gonna resurrect him it would have been the Zildrog cult (Traitor storyline). Main guy was hung up on Valky, though his hate for the alliance commander trumped it >:] - They've already done a resurrection arc for Valky, I find it unlikely they'll want a repeat (without a LOT of incentive). I still hesitate to use the D word, but I want him dead. I don't feel qualified to say what people do/ don't deserve. Also, I like Paul's enthusiasm (resurrection plans) Perhaps we continue working on the application though . Got to figure Marr would get bored in that suit of armour eventually -when was the last time you heard a story about sane possessed objects-

Ah, usual back and forth then . I think I age 40 years every time people start talking about what people `deserve` -exhausted-

Oh dear! What do they say?

I take your meaning -Nods- I guess I'm miss representing by implying my perceptions/head cannons make it ok for me - They don't. Just like, I'd excepted that the chara in DMC 5 was probably going to die, but by my reaction to actual events -YAAAAASS! Fist pump - in game I'd say that acceptance doesn't equate happy. Apparently I can accept a lot of unhappy/bad for moments of happy/good/interesting. Plus if I'm interested in the charas I feel obligated to stick with it to the end with/for them. Like in real life, lots of bad going around but at least they're not alone, some good can still come out of it Silly I know. Pretty much once I'm invested in something all thats left to do is hang in there and hope. I prefer to have a bad time with stuff I care about then have a good time with something I don't (Disclaimer - a good time with stuff I care about is preferable XD) . I'm sorry it effected your trust for the developer I wish we could find a way round so that you could enjoy the game again, I know what you mean with the Rpg that Is continually added to part and no one does Rpg's quite like Bioware -They're unique. Hmmmmmm

I know which part your talking about in chap 6, which lines in particular in 8? I don't think it's a stretch to say your pc is out of control, there isn't anything in the scene that refutes that and plenty of historic evidence to support the scenario's plausibility. Most importantly you know your character, would they have acted that way? if not then there's your answer. I was thinking when I get to that point again and record the scenes, I might write accompanying scenes with the actions/dialogue mirrored, but giving a window into whats happening in my charas head....hmmmmm ------------- I know it's not the `canon` acceptance you want, and I understand the need; I struggle to stray from canon in storylines others have written - feels wrong/incorrect? like the charas/world aren't themselves anymore. Our PC'S are a shared creation; between us and all the people who worked on bringing them/the possibility of them to life. But I don't think they would have a problem with your interpretation, everything I've seen leads me to believe that they enjoy the collaboration with fans. I won't dispute your interpretation of events in KotET - They are as valid as my own. But I don't think that interpretation of the stroyline (Pc being forced to be abusive) was intended, I think realizing that it had that feel/effect on some players would upset them. They may not be/feel able to change it, the problem with creative(/other) projects is once you release them you are somewhat held to the decisions you made with them. Constantly retaking them and altering pieces is rarely received well by fans (in my experience). But if they've heard you, they will be more aware of those potential dangers in future.

Oh, Thats lovely -Hearts-

I would definitely recommend ^^ Jack was my fave in Mass Effect 2 They did take it to a nice place in Mass Effect 3 but it just didn't quite feel like my Jack (from ME2). I was happy just taking the ME2 situation and making my own cannon from there >:] wasn't that bothered about ME (1) either so, I just really focused on ME2 as my charas story, or ME2 + ME3 for my Shep with Kaidan (ME3 Kaidan storyline I liked). I'm really more of a Dragon Age fan than a Mass Effect fan but I have a soft spot for ME2. Thats the thing about triggers - their effects/consequences always overstay their welcome Don't worry about talking it out, never feel bad about what you need to do to feel better Plus pretty sure anyone here is up for that discussion anyway, it is the Dark Princess's thread after all - at worst your on topic I think Valky in our pc's head and his not so subtle steering made them complicit. As most people he had power over were at one point or another But it is worth highlighting that our charas were victims of his as well. No one was making good decisions. People (our pc, Vaylin, Arcann etc) did the best they could, thats important. They also hung in there despite facing off against a 1000 year old opponent with a history of weaponizing people against themselves. One way or another they also managed to take down the b*****d thats an achievement and true of all playthroughs. It sucks that we had to use the conditioning (especially as a tool to humiliate), That we couldn't make that last ditch effort - even if Valky's manipulating had made that a none option (If she would refuse), That her family weren't allowed to make a final bid. Many are complicit, but I would argue Valky is the one who's culpable. It is a small, but important distinction.

Yeah, it's basically cannon that he's smitten with the outlander/alliance commander in the redeem storyline and If you encourage him he fesses up <3 -I believe Gawd don't quote me That his writer wrote him that way- I'm glad you got to playout your ideal JC and despite some uncertainty about where it's going (SWTOR - Rep vs. Imp refocus) I'm exited, eager to see what they have for us. Aaaand good, you can help me top up glasses then You've been drafted -There are plenty of other positive folk about the thread too, will likely see more familiar faces once more details come out for new content-

Yeah we lucked out Glad to see you found a reason for returning! Helps when the doomsaying does it's obligatory laps/rounds. Plus we can never have to many in here <3

Are you Specifically RPG? Online/Offline both? I'm guessing you like a developed storyline, with interesting charas to interact with (Purely from previous discussions). If you got fed up with WOW I'm guessing you prefer storylines with content (cutscenes, dialogue etc) rather than all story content you have to read, or maybe you just didn't like where the game was going or the vibe? Srry just wondering If we (the thread) could suggest some games you might enjoy. Is the social element important for you? I'm very particular about which games I like/play as well, I've been spoilt recently ^^ Never had so many turn up at once.

I hoped since fallen empire (or since I saw the brothers trailer really) but I wasn't sure, my faves have a habit of `redeeming themselves posthumously` or `To damaged/far gone/other priorities`. Although I've been having a bit more luck lately....Maybe those storylines are taking a hike/I mean break -innocent- in that case -Yay!- Vaylin didn't benefit though I'm sad you can only really `join forces` after her death too. Though I am grateful you could make it partially about freeing her in the mind-scape. Just feels weird how none of it is ever mentioned again though, just moves right on to Iokath and `the traitor` storyline. It's not like the fallen empire additions that had forged alliances, Ziost and shadow of Revan to feed into it/bridge the gap. But I guess maybe Fractured alliances, Ossus and anything else to be released might be taking that roll to 6.0?

'M not sure Paul is their's either Basically just spelled out the bits I was confident I could spell right from memory Thanks It's always nice to come back and see familiar faces. Been playing anything fun yourself lately? ^^

Yeah probably best not to hype it to much, I'm pretty sure I've thought `after this I'll know where things are heading` before all updates since `the Nathema conspiracy` Which as it turned out, was optimistic XD Still no real idea where they're taking it, except the obvious of course (Rep Vs Imp).

Pretty good considering Resident Evil has been eating my time, figuratively and literally Plus DMC 5 soooooo, I've been neglecting Swtor...Trying to catch up. Curious to see the info dump at the cantina in April.

Hi everyone -waves- been reading back and there has been quite a bit of discussion going on -Can't decide if I should leave the forum less...or more >> - Bump ^ For me anyway 00 -Though as a rule, if it's a choice between a discussion about bedding or politics/ethics and transient properties between real life and fiction (spec Fantasy/Sci-Fi)...I'd always pick bedding- Bump ^ Especially given the profound effect/co-dependency(?) the force/the groups devoted to the force promotes. Not to mention that our own understanding of our brains/ minds is limited. Understanding the effect events or biology can have on it is still a relatively new area, adding the fantasy/sci-fi elements to this further complicates the issue. What is this `conventionally attractive` thing you speak of? sounds made up to me I'd have to watch through the various interactions to decide one way or the other (for me!), but on the whole I find who the character's are and what dialogue/action choices are taken can effect the overall feel of the relationship And as for physique thats not really an issue for me in or out of the starwars universe. The shape of something doesn't dictate it's intellect/ sentience. Still, can make for some interesting compatibility problem solving though An expertly done plug good Sith -bows- I really need to catch up with this, not even sure where I last got up to . Oh well from the beginning it is -Reading Arcann Fanfic, such hardship - I'm gonna go with a solid few then. After all the threads pages aren't Just me talking to myself, I promise! Very much this ^ I don't believe anyone was in their right mind -drastic understatement - And I wish the whole arc didn't feel so rushed I think it would have benefited from more time to flesh out the interactions between the different characters I would have loved to get to know the eternal family better, it's exactly the kind of story arc I'd be fascinated by. But too much of what other people enjoyed about the game (old comps, Class story, continued contact with class factions etc.) was almost completely cut out...So I'll just have to hope the new narrative will have some of what I'm looking for, that chara's from that arc won't completely disappear. It likely won't help with Vaylin's situ though, I'm not really sure what could be added at this point to help -frowns- Maybe some points to discuss feelings on KOtFE and KOtET with involved charas? A lot happened in that short time for our protags and their not really given much opportunity to voice opinions on whats going on, what actions they're being forced to take. Plus they have only just got Valky out of their heads (prior to Iokath-Traitor storyline) think it's time to stop and process. Having a new/returning chara ask about some key events could be a cool way of doing it, like they are catching up/getting a first person perspective of events they've just heard about. The option to just skip over if your chara just wants to be done with it (know some want to get away from the whole story line- would make sense for some charas) I could see some closure for Vaylin through/with Senya. I don't think she was allowed what I would have expected, considering how close they once were, how determined she was to reach *both* of her children. I would tend to disagree with this, most young children will exhibit signs of sociopathic behaviour at a young age; they're still growing/developing that part of them, it's why that early stage (learning to interact with others etc) is so important. Being a `sociopath` is when for various reasons these areas of the brain don't develop as they typically would (or get damaged?) or at least thats my understanding. It's not that they choose not to relate, they just don't. And thats not even going into the fact that even being a clinically diagnosed sociopath doesn't actually mean you'll be dangerous. There are a lot of factors. Regardless we cannot say that she would have been the same without/prior to the torture, there lacks evidence either way. Simply she wasn't given the chance, thats all we can know . I would say that the intensity is different, but it is worth noting that the intensity is higher because they feel threatened by Arcann/Quinn because there is president/chance of future content. They just dismiss Vaylin because they don't see her as likely to get future content (given they would have to get around her death - It's like the comps that can die but worse). They'll still kick at the fans that like her, because why not? As for the other comps mentioned, I've seen some serious shaming for all of them >> and the shaming's the problem not the other charas or their fan base. Everyone is scared/sad they won't get more time with their faves (folks that love the charas/game anyway) and thats a crappy place to be Doesn't matter who your routing for, and no one should be making anyone else feel bad for liking a character. Nobody should feel targeted because of which fan base they belong to. I would hesitate to say gender has no factor in it, but I would hesitate to say any attribute has no factor in the results. A lot goes into people's reactions and they aren't all the same. It's just complicated, like all people things are... Which is why I vastly prefer discussing bedding -phew- Sorry for the wall of text, and the dragging up old topics XD But I think a lot of you had interesting points. -aaaaand I never appear to be around when you make them ><-

Hi Paul, Phil How are you both? (srry if you don't like folks shortening your names I'll stop )

Thanks for this, it is always fun to get a peak behind the curtain It also helps to reaffirm that just because we don't see it, doesn't mean something isn't happening Which helps me with my (im)patient waiting -settles back to watch door-

Oh well done! I really struggle with the class stories, to easy to get distracted; so many variations and nothing that successfully holds my attention. In the expansions my faves Lana Theron and Arcann keep me on track ^^' How do you select master mode for flashpoints? -Can not figure it out. I expect it's blindingly obvious ¬_¬-. Two Arcanns? <3 sounds like fun...-Omg- o0 That...escalated, and in a direction I did not anticipate XD Yes, I really need to take another swing at my SH... Edit:...Yuck, I mean...colourful?

-Bangs head against convenient surface-

My shame for inattentive thread attendance XD I've said before if I'm active in game I tend to be really inactive in forum ^^' Which is a shame because I really do like it here (Who'd have thought that I would actually like some or the social/multiplayer aspects of TOR - My inner single-player is curiously silent on the subject). Have something like 13 pages to catch up on though ^^' Still nice to see familiar faces (unfamiliar faces too, just less of a surprise factor there- cannot expect, and so be surprised by what I don't know. mores the Pity.) Had a pause this morning (in the ever gripping drive to actually achieve something -blinks-Edit: Clarification - Despite the intent focus on SWTOR I have yet to complete the game twice ¬_¬ ), So wanted to poke my head in here, after all it's been a while since I've annoyed you all .

-Deadpool stealth walk- ^^' -stitch voice- HIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Need this on a card/placard Yeah absolutely, don't need to control everything that happens in game, just want to control our pc's response/how they feel about it (and be able to express that) -You need my character to walk down this corridor? fine but let them be hacked off about it -