yea operatives are infiltration shadows before the nerf, but add heals, immunity, dodge rolls on top of that. Was funny seeing my shadow wreck operatives in 6,7 secs(ahh miss those 3x 90k shadow strikes).Those were good times to kill opness with more opness, and operatives were like OUN NOU CLASS CAN KILL US NERF IT PWEASE NAU. But some dev who main operatives didnt like that so they nerf it. But funny to see ppl are defending it.

I am sorry but class with stealth , 2 stuns, aoe blind, 2 dodge rolls, reflect, heals + regen should not exist in pvp. Strip their heals, take away stun, put dodge roll on 20 sec cd and then things will be interesting. And yes I play smuggler, kinda bored killing everything in 1v1. But there are other problems except that god mode class: Strip away all heals from dps classes (yes sorcs I am pointing out to you and mercs) thats why you have heal classes and companions to heal you in pve. Kill tank dmg by 50% in pvp. Immortal juggs/guardians are too much in pvp. Buff some low represented classes: serenity, combat sent, etc... In b4 somebody cries but operatives are bad in ranked...dude...git good.

I am for operatives stay the same if they wish, as a Sentinel main this spec i want to have same heals like them, being the only class with no self heals really sucks (i dont count dot spec heals cause it sucks). I want instant 150k heal with 15 sec cd. Or I want to actually go out of combat using Force camouflage instead of being unable to regen for 2 mins cause stuck into combat state. As for snave well hes a troll player , well if i was operative main i would also troll ppl with "l2p" memes and use root, use their disadvantages, dont attack on reflect, bla bla same ******** Remember few months ago when shadows had 3x insta crit backstab(they were broken AF and everyone abused them), snave was my ***** cause he was non stop spamming me with messages why am i attacking and ganking him all over the warzone see snave, you only need 1 same broken class to kick your **** operative but unfortunately it was nerfed and now unussable anymore so you can defend your broken **** class cause its solo best 1v1 now

ive got 6x hutballs, 5x civil wars in a row....EA programers suck, really.

Well you are right, from 1 min of fight i am cced like 50 sec. Theres 10 sec of fight that i can do some dps. But what Ive seen Pacify and Lance does not do anything from the tooltips. 90% minus accuracy and i am getting dmged all the times (they are not immune, and from what ive seen it only works on sentinels and guardians) , Lance using on operatives and everything does not do anything, they can dodge roll and escape everything.... whats the point of those 2 skills which most of the times doesent do anything. Ok pacify for conc/fury does good thing giving cc imunity, but on carnage/combat is garbage. .... carnage/combatneed some big dmg boost burst like PT have to be actually super fun... I am sick of Concentration....do something about combat/carnage!

Well hes right, force camouflage is useless, use it and then wait 2 mins for combat to wear off. Simply garbage ability. While other classes have active and passive heals this class has none. DMG should be buffed by 50% so at least ppl would fear mara/sent. Saddly now its the time for merc, pt/vg, and op/smug.

Haha no furious rewards, figures xD nobody will buy swashbucklers xD

I wish this was true, but maras/sentinel have same problem like shadow/assassin, using combat stealth does not remove combat, you just need to run away and wait 2 minutes, yes 2 minutes for combat to wear off then heal for 20 secs while your teammates are already dead. Thats why operatives are god mode now, they have passive and active heals plus combat stealth. Most broken class rn. So rerol to operatives and own everything.

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Operatives have everything, its time for big nerf like sins got with maul crap spam, those of you who defend it personally abuse it in pvp, hey I was also abusing maul spam crap cause it was fun watching ppl die in global and I defended it. Now I dont even play it cause it is garbage now and not fun anymore.

Thats right, their heal need to be removed or nerfed to the ground. Having 5M dmg and 3M heals in warzones is just not normal. This cancer need to be brought down to reasonable numbers, decrease their heal capability by 150% , increase energy cost of heals by 150%. Stealth class with heals half of their dmg, lol.

hatred/serenity is getting nerfed hard with death knell nerf, murderous is pretty **** for a 6 sec 100% crit, if it were 9-10 sec it would be good. Saddly hatred/serenity is outdated.

Revelation has better burst capabilities, when you attack right from stealth your dots can tick 10k each but 6 sec 100% crit is just low, 8 or 9 sec would be good. And yes I agree for 6 sec if yo ucan use it with stride without stealth, that would be good change.

LEL you mention hatred...hatred is like 2 levels behind infil/dec in terms of damage. Plus nerfing of death knell set nerfs our execute, biggest hit ability. removing 3x 50-60k dmg and giving serenity/leeching crit for 20k is a pretty big nerf to me. Thats why i changed set to murd. revelation cause this nerf sucks.

buff murderous revelation set when you nerfing death knell for hatred/serenity!

We who use white/white dye on our gear and dont want red, blue, brown, black lightsaber hilts.

better buff murderous revelation set when you nerfed death knell one!!!

White hilt dual saber pls! Need to fit my white geared character!

Pls can you make white hilt dualsaber? They are all black, silver, but at least make one white!

they destroyed hatred with this nerf to death knell set.

too bad they pretty much destroyed hatred with this nerf to spinning strike....

well i think this is a big nerf to hatred, 3x spinning strikes for 45k dmg were great on free proc, and now we get 1x 15k serenity strike crit....pretty much big nerf for me. (unless they buff serenity strike to crit for 60-70k this is plain straight nerf)

Hello, I am planing to upgrade my cpu to ryzen 7 3700x or 3800x. Playing mostly pvp and operations so my old i5 cant handle more than 25fps there. Does anyone have 3700x and 3800x ? I need processor that can hit 60fps in pvp and operations. So anyone with those processors, hows you fps with those? I am looking at max graphic settings.

Well I play both Infiltration(deception) and Serenity(hatred). Thos 2 are totally different. Infiltration has op burst that you cant ignore, its 4 button rotation (comparable with merc 3 button last expansion). Its easy to play and killing someone is not a problem. Maybe the problem is with Death knell set which is really awesome. They need to balance **** out, seriously. I play it and I feel bored how easy and broken this **** is. Maybe to put cd on backstab for like 5-6 sec. Serenity(hatred) on the other hand needs serious buffs if they wont nerf infiltration, cause nobody would play **** spec if one is brokenly op. Serenity needs buff to direct dmg abilities at least by 25% - 35% (like squelch and force in balance - biggest crit is like 30k LOL) plus they need to maybe delete CD from serenity strike so we at least can spam low dmg attack that heals us (Quick escalation tactical should be baseline - critical attacks with serenity strike clears cd from it), they need to increase dps to heal ratio by a lot so survivability wont be the issue. But for balance purpose they need to decrase dot dmg to other targets except to your target that you currently attack. Plus they need to increase 3rd set bonus of Murderous Revelation from 6 sec to 9-10 sec. My 2 cents. edit: Serenity(Hatred) also have problems with force starving. Serenity(hatred) win rate to infiltration(deception) is 0% atm. Really sad.

Was using hatred with 2 sets, murderous and death knell, and honestly hatred/serenity is pure garbage. You can kill solo only bots, and you can be aoe spreding bot but everyone ca kill you easily, its fun spec but seriously underwhelming. I went for infil/deception and its 50% better. Trust me, dont use hatred its bad.