I enter my password and wait, and wait. Eventually I get the message on launcher that "patch has encountered an unspecified error, please try again. I have been 'trying again and again for almost 12 hours now. Any suggestions would be welcome.

I have been booted 3 times with server lag over 200000. Am I the only one experiencing this extreme lag? It has been getting steadily worse over the last 3 - 4 weeks.

I am stuck on innitializing for 5 minutes or so, then I get the messae "This application has encountered an unexpected error. Please try the patch again". I had nothing to patch that I know of. I was on yesterday with no issues, but now I cannot get in game. Please help.

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Materials have always been in packs .. way before the JJ they were there as materials. More often than not I'd get items I already had 7 stacks of and would never use (they are still in my Cargo Hold from the early days). The only difference now is that with JJ you can select which mats are actually usefull. In a hypercrate of 24 packs I get on average 4 to 6 purples, which is not enough to affect the economy but helps me obtain what I need for personal use. What comes from missions goes to crafting items for me and items to sell. It varies. You are right that the drop rate from missions .. especially the Discoveries, need to be looked at. Those discoveries take 3hrs and 45 minutes and except for the rarest of occasions, they return the same as you'd get from a Rich mission on the crafting table. Even there the success rate is exceedingly low.

" wow this thread is still around" .. too true. I come because it's fascinating. But reality check wise: I think the terms of service says it all. We all agreed to the TOS to gain access to the game. Virtual contracts are just as binding as the paper version. Always read contracts so there are no surprises. This contract is pretty much standard to all MMOs I am guessing the machines were meant to be quick rep and someone misplaced some decimal points. They have restored it to work as intended. Their right. The game was fun to play before the slot machine and is fun to play now. First rule of gambling is NEVER gamble with coins you cannot afford to spend. If you can afford it, and find it fun trying for that big jackpot .. make sure you keep track of how much you have spent and go for it. I intend to in small increments. If you can't afford it, stay away. If it upsets you, stay away. Go have some fun.

I actually had a respectable run with the slot machine today. Stack 1: Total cash outlay after selling rep items: 25K GAINED: 1 purple JJ Stack 2: Total cash outlay after selling rep items: 17K Gained: 1 Certificate Stack 3: Total cash outlay after selling rep items 20K Gained: ! certificate Applying the cash outlay as cost of the item received I consider that reasonable and it was actually fun.

You only need to get the mounts on one character ..they go into collections. For a small investment of RL money, or using the monthly 500 grant to subscribers, it will not take long to unlock them for all characters. For instance I got the Cartel Skiff (can't remember which one) on one toon. Once I used it, it went into collections. I swapped to another toon, paid 120 CC and it was available for all my toons .. even new ones I create. I play the game and I make my credits 2 ways. Crafting and buying hypercrates, breaking them down, selling the contents and hoping to make a profit. Sometimes I do, sometimes I lose. I get lots of Certificates this way, and quite a good amount of JJ as well. Enough for my needs anyhow. I never used the slot machine to get JJ .. didn't really need to. Making all crafted items bound would be insane. Making items crafted from JJ from slots bound to legacy would not be unreasonable. There are, after all, other ways to get JJ, and other ways to get purple mats.

Making everything you craft bound to legacy, yes sure. Making everything you craft bound to toon is bad. My cybertech makes mods and armorings for all my toons. She's not high enough level to use most of them. If what she makes is bound to her, it's vendor trash .. expensive vendor trash, even with mats from slots. I am actually fine with not getting mats off the machine. If it was meant to be a way to get rep items, so be it. That is helpful if you don't have the rep. For those who just play for a while because it's fun (although now it's painful) reducing the failed spin rate from around 70% would be helpful, as would reducing the cost of chips to around 500 credits. Not as big a money sink that way .. selling the unneeded rep items would recover most of the cost if a person is purely playing for the off chance of getting that cursed mount. As it is, by the time it pops most people would have spent far more than it costs to get a similar mount off the GTN. So, minor tweaks and it becomes a viable item again. Probably wishful thinking though.

on twitter: The Old Republic @SWTOR · 3m 3 minutes ago We are still working on getting the Harbinger back online ASAP. Thank you for your continued patience.

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They fed the hampsters too much valium again .. they will have to sleep it off.

Draqksco I disagree with your statement: It's an unfair generalization. Are you saying that being disabled and only having one good hand to play with makes me lazy since I am unable to do FPs and Ops for mats? Edited to add: I am not the only disabled player by a long shot either. Check out "Able Gamers Foundation"

I generally don't do any group content unless it is with my daughter .. I am disabled and only have 1 good hand to play with. This causes me to slow down the action considerably and I know I'm holding others back .. or I simply get left behind. Either way it's best for me to avoid group contents. I agree with your premise of having some mats, and the resulting crafted item, bound is unfair. You couldn't even trade mods made by one of your own toons to another of your toons to gear them up. It simply would not work.