I see a lot of you don't really get it. Pyrotech's are fine, and so are Marauders. Defensive abilities are the issue right now, and dmg management. As it stands at this moment, PT's can apply DoT's on you that can be CLEANSED. These DoT's are the biggest issue at the moment. 1 PT in a group is perfectly balanced.. It's when you get 3 or even 4 PT's on one group that make it a poop storm. If they would either allow Cleanse to make you immune to those DoT's after it's applied for a short duration then the insane burst DPS that drops people so suddenly wouldn't be an issue. Solution 2 : Make it so PT's can't stack these DoT's on targets. They issue we are having at the moment is Cleanse for a Sage for example is on a 5 second cooldown. If you are fighting 2 PT's... They can constantly apply those critical DoT's making cleanse useless. It's a bunch of jibber jabber really because I honestly don't have a excellent response to multiple PT's in the same group, but that's the best I can come up with.

I don't know. I kind of wish our SW was on the same CD as the PT. If healers would learn to cleanse more in WZ's then it wouldn't be to big of an issue I think.

PvP in SWToR is good. There I did it too

3 healers, and 5 PT's and you got a winner. lol

That's pretty good man. Mine is 520k in a Civil War that resulted in center not being capped till close till the end of the game. Impressive.

Some WZ's people will only want their friends guarding them for the medals. Even though the true tank in that WZ should be the person floating his guard. The DPS tank will guard his friends just for the medals.. It's silly, but it happens a lot.

Why isn't this ability in the defense tree? I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but I play the true tank in PvP and I have to spec like a hybrid because I feel as if this ability can't be passed up. Anyone else feel the same?

Wait.. A PT made this thread? *ahem* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH Okay.. Iv'e said enough.

I consider myself a full Tank and w/ 22k HP, 51.22 DMG reduction, and 27.00 Defense healers love me. I do not mind throwing guard on our support classes or even DPS. It's usually whoever is getting focus fired i'll switch my guard too. I average 50k Protection and that's with saying that most of our premade games end very fast. Cybertech grenades for additional peeling, and gaining gold medals for defense is my profession and i'm damn good at it.

I do just fine. Mostly people who play with or against me would agree. Full tank here, and either you're doing something wrong or just not meant to tank.

Server pops are instant now on Jung Ma. 200+ People in the fleet.

This right here. Real tanks in this game are amazing when played correctly.

You guys are such whiners.

It is hilarious I agree. The fact that you think Endurance means nothing on a Tank and holding objectives just proves your ignorance. For the above poster.. 2-3 seconds is a long time in Voidstar and Civil War. I'm known as one of the prestige tanks on my server. If people see me alone at an objective they know they won't take it easily. You better bring 3-4 people and if my cooldowns are up i'm still holding you off till calvary arrives. I don't need to write a well put out description of how to play the Guardian class because this game evolves around competition, and if you are still in the "dps" frame of mind.. Well, get left behind. I'm done with this thread, and i'm sure ill run in to some of you eventually if you're still around because I still will be and you will be PM'ing me on my spec/build like the rest of them. Peace.

You can say what you wan't but I wont reconsider our group style. Tanks have plenty of cooldowns, and the timers are just fine. People complaining about the small nerf to DPS tanks are just not tanks. Plain and simple.

I don't really take Taurgrim's advice very much sense he never really makes a huge impact in any game, and throws out opinions on his ideas about a MMO.. He would linger to my PvP groups in Warhammer. So, ill take it with a grain of salt. His testing has no actual evidence besides a few words that some people take as truth. It's obvious that some attacks "yellow damage" doesn't get negated. Still doesn't change the fact that my 23k HP is better then your DPS Tank 16-19k HP.

How is DPS gear the only viable option? I prefer my Tank gear because of the extra endurance it gives me to guard my allies in heavy PvP matches. I hear all this talk about it, but don't agree. All of the WZ's in this game are objective based, and usually require you to prevent capping etc. So staying alive as long as possible would be a requirement for a Tank in my group. If they had a deathmatch, then I could agree with the other "DPS Tanks"

And who are you exactly? I would never damage any of my equipment over a game. It's so obvious that you are obviously trolling, and obviously upset over my obvious opinion. Obviously.

I'm fine with the changes. Like I said, if you wan't to DPS. Then role a DPS class.

I actually think less burst DPS pop's from relics/adrenals is a stealth buff for all tanks in this game. Damage mitigation will go down, in result.... I will be able to stance dance more, and the damage difference will most likely not even be noticeable. Can't really speak on the behalf of Assassins, and Shadows as I only know those classes from knowledge of fighting against them. I will say that they already have some of the best survivability in the game. So the good players will most likely still be good.

Have 2 Commando's/Gunslingers or one of each play the center and float.. I can't remember the last time we've had a door capped.

So I actually play the "Tank/Support" role in PvP matches. I debuff/distract DPS targets, while guarding my allies. So, in reality this doesn't affect people who actually wanna play the Tank. Just people who wanna DPS and have the "tankness" that comes with it? You wanna DPS, roll a DPS class... I support these patch notes.

What exactly is this PvP Tank nerf? I play a GUARDIAN and I haven't seen any such thing.

Our server is currently light but our Que's are pretty steady because we have around 40-50 dedicated PvP players at 50. Who like to que and have fun. So our server isn't really dead. Just a small nice community.

I see what you're doing now.. You are now defending the PT by saying it's a team based game. So what happens when there is 3 PT's and one healer? How is that team worked assembled? There is a reason why my server alone went from 1-2 PT's a WZ to 2-3 in weeks. Who needs survivability when you can have a dedicated healer and just melt who groups in 1 minute. I would much rather fight against 2 mara's then even one fully surged PT. I'm done with this thread though. Blind will lead the blind and defend their class at all costs no matter how many times you contradict them. There is video's of PT DPS PvP all over youtube and you can see them hitting a whole 3 button rotation w/ the occasional AoE DfO ability w/ relics.