http://www.torhead.com/ability/5wUiy77/force-camouflage It is no longer a 99% reduction and it is 4 seconds where they can't attack others. Still can save an annihilation marauder if his bleeds/crit are up so he is getting healed; however, not nearly as strong as people are pretending. *edit* I forgot to mention it can become 6 seconds with 50% speed boost if you are annihilation/watchman spec. Still not a 99% dmg reduction.

Is there really a need for two of these threads on the first page? This game has a lot of stuns. Groups focusing on one target will kill/chain you if you don't have guard/heals. Try to find a group for pvp and hope they add a premade v premade feature so pugs won't be as bad. Short of working with others, who aren't hapless fools, you can always try playing the class and see if you still think it is too strong. Might find it isn't so great when you see how they fare for the whole match, instead of after a select few stealth attacks.

Sorc seems to have pretty good sustained dps. I've never played the AC beyond 14 so I can't say too much. However, you can get a 5/2 second root with overload, instant whirlwind, and of course electrocute. Not to mention you have force speed and a bubble. That is a fair ammount of abilities to escape an operative. You may not have their burst but you have pretty good sustained dps (force lightning without a cd and proc for instant lightning strike or crushing darkness) and some heals.

I was actually defending operatives here. I pointed out a situation that can happen when you are a lone defender or in a pug. I didn't say it needs patched at all. I recommended getting into a premade, since you can't avoid chain stuns alone (outside of leaping first with the right spec which doesn't work in the range I detect stealth). Anyways I only reported one of the two situations where I saw odd behavior. The teleporting was an exploit, I wasn't having connection issues and it happened very frequently near the end of a match. Not to mention it was only occuring for one individual. I didn't report the restealthing, I found it very annoying but it happened in such a short time and was only one fight that match. It may have been server issues, maybe not, if it happens more often I'll report the player.

I didn't say they were OP *******. I just said there is a trend of 2+ getting a group queue and focusing a single person down. Happens a lot in Alderaan or Novare Coast. Especially if you are defending the least contested point. If you would have read more carefully, you would have noticed I said they shouldn't be able to stealth more than 1 in 30 seconds. The one today was in combat, I was still in combat and he had attacked me after leaving the pit in huttball (no one else hit me and I didn't allow him to get away). For the record, he did die but managed to stealth more than once in combat before I killed him. It should have been obvious that I was talking about people exploiting the game when I went on to discuss a sniper who teleported around a map in cover. Hence, I said those players should be banned. I didn't say the class needs nerfed. I actually have a healing operative at the moment, just switched to pub characters since it was suffering from a bad population balance and I found a better guild pub side. Anyways, don't be defensive about your class towards people who aren't asking for a nerf. *edit* I also said a group (didn't specify full either) not a team. I've yet to see a team off nothing but operatives... was unfortunate enough to get stuck in Adleraan with 4 shadows though.

1. Voidstar 2. Huttball 3. Novare Coast 4. Alderaan Voidstar can be fun, it isn't dumb luck it is just tricking the other team into taking their eye off a door so someone can plant, really gives the stealth classes a good niche. Huttball is love-hate for me... imo it favors JC/SI, jedi/sith tanks, and a good operative/scoundrel heal. NC/alderaan tend to be a blow out one way or the other... loathe them when I pug and get a bad group.

Lol, interesting point.

In the 1-49 bracket I've seen a surge in operatives grouping together and chain stunning one person to death. My guardian has watched helplessly a few times as I died before I could even force push/leap. However, that doesn't seem as big an issue at 50... and it can be prevented by getting in a queue with a premade. Pugs really suck when so many classes have CC, often die before resolve does **** unless you have a pocket healer. I'm much more concerned with seeing operatives use vanish twice or more within 30 seconds... that shouldn't happen. Also a little alarmed that I've seen a sniper teleport around the map while in cover. Not sure if that is the speed glitch people were ************ about a few days ago but it appears some really annoying cheats are popping up. Hope the bastards get banned.

The pvp is ok at best. It is hardly good. The new warzone is very similar to Civil War (with the exception of 1 objective not wearing down the enemy and holding all three is less beneficial). Ilum was the biggest let down I've seen in open world pvp. Capturing the zone didn't give a rewarding feeling at all... not to mention on Shadow Hand it was a **** ton of imps and 1-3 random pubs if any pubs at all most of the time, they had rare moments when a group of 4+ pubs would gank 1-2 imps that were in the zone but not often. Even battles were rare and instead of trying to encourage a balance they just removed the incentive to bother with that crap zone. (Mind you the PvE section of Ilum is still glitchy as hell. Love waiting for 5mins or so for an npc to randomly appear after beating her in a fight.) They could help the warzones out by adding cross server queue for the servers that are hurting from bad population balance. It would also probably help to improve the queue so premades were put up against other premades, especially since the game has a **** ton of CC which really punishes pugs even more, the resolve bar sucks you will still die a pathetic death without moving much at all when you don't wait to join premades. Other than that, it would be nice to see some new and more unique warzones added. I won't even touch on balancing issues. I can say some classes really suck at the lower levels, you have to work much harder for top kills/dmg or medals; however, I dont have a ton of 50s since I'm bad about alts and deleted a few endgame characters. A lot of the class balance posts do seem to be some stupid QQ threads... but if I had to say one was the easiest to kill it would still probably be commando/mercenary. Not nearly as many of their healers seem to last long when targeted, compared to a good operative/scoundrel or sorc/sage. Gunnery/arsenal always seemed easy to shut down (although they did very well when ignored)... a little harder to completely prevent them from getting a grav/tracer off now but the forums seem convinced they are much worse now. Assault/pyro can be pretty fun although I think I like the vanguard/powertech versions more, personal preference. TLDR: Pvp was/is a huge let down considering it had people from WAR on it (siege warfare was much more fun). Class balance at the moment is questionable but it will keep changing and people will always complain. I've given up hope for new and interesting PvP content. Might try GW2 for the WvWvW or just not play any MMO when the PVE loses my interest.

I just saw an agent teleporting around a map of Voidstar. Either that was the luckiest and most isolated "lag" ever... or people are starting to use cheats to get around the map. On the bright side he did it back to back near the end of the game so I reported him... not sure anything will happen though. A slew of games with less players than the other side, as well as some that were just frustratingly bad, has resulted in me starting to hate the PvP on this game. If it doesn't change soon, I won't resub when my time runs out and hopefully one of the new games coming out will have good pvp.

I wouldn't mind having more character slots. At least enough to unlock every race in legacy, since that is server specific.

I am tempted to go vigilance until I hit 50. I've playd a lot of classes and guardian/juggernaut are by far the most underperforming in 1-49, imo. I've had matches were I was top dmg, protection, and medals.... but it takes a lot more work than other classes. I know my survivability will get better when I can talent more out, level 33 as of today, but I'm worried the damage will still be a joke. What originally brought me to the forums though is the glitches. Anyone else notice unremitting fails to work at times? Tonight I've been knocked back and rooted within a second of force leap. I've also had force leaps cooldown start when I used it when I didn't actually leap at all. It makes me want to go level another class or play my marauder sometimes. Btw, which spec would you recommend for tanking (prefer one that can handle pve and pvp)?

What he said. If you want to see how "unlucky" you are, take the number of bags you opened and multiply .75 by itself that many times. You will know what the odds are that you will have not recieved one. Odd things happen when you look at individual samples. Unless you had the drops for every BM bag thats been opened you can't really do much of a regression to challenge the drop rate. Feel free to get a large group, open a lot of bags and then analyze the data to see if its likely that the drop rate really is 25% or not. That would take a lot of time and I really doubt anyone will do it; however, its more productive than what we are all doing right now. XD On a side note, what is the drop rate for tokens in the champ bags now? Sadly I did PvE a lot on my marauder (wanted to see the story) and now I'm only valor 37 at 50 with 0/40 champ tokens. Starting to get tired of huttball... not sure I'll be hitting valor 60 any time soon.

I like DS Jaesa, she is dark side... get over it. She isn't a mindless rabid thug or she wouldn't be loyal to you. Hedonist and quick tempered, yes. I removed the shock collar from Vette and laughed at a few of her lines but at times as a DS sith warrior I wish I could have shocked her... or maybe put the collar on Quinn. Shame you can't romance her as a LS. Then again they already have Ashara so you can just make you SI light side instead. (For the record, I don't mind alien races... I just don't like twileks at all. Never did find them aesthetically appealing and the JK story didn't make me like them any more.) Edit: Off-topic but since someone brought up the droids the republic one is pretty annoying. If I hear a line about seat cushioning one more time I'm going to start looking for a restraining bolt. They (C2-N2 and 2V-R8) also have the exact same abilities so they are equal in terms of use value. Unless you are cybertech and make them upgrades, I'd stick to your class companions.

Ahh.. the VIP lounge. They really nailed that one... So many people want to hang out there I've managed to find two people in it at once! (including myself). Have to admitt that place was a huge let down. Since the armor from the vendor is only light and I don't like either complete set, I don't really use the vendors for anything. At least the security key vendors have a few customizations/armor I like. (Yes, my companion look like a strippers and I like it that way.) So whats the most people you have seen in the VIP area at once?