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    Opinions about 2.0? Made things even worse?

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Without Sharpened Mind, the balance spec is useless...Saber Strike spam nothing more. Thanks BW.

     

    Not so sure, need to get on the PTS. There's a few +'s and -'s if the link i provided is correct. Don't forget that alacrity may also play a factor in all our dots. MC now goes 2s longer. Increase dot damage. Increase dot damage under 30%. FiB now hits 5. Force technique now hits harder plus has an additional attack. Force technique is added to whirling blow.

     

    But yes, looks like we lose a few things too....

     

    So i'll hold off judgement until i can actually try it.

    Harbinger PvE DPS Leaderboard, Revamped!

    in The Harbinger

    Posted

    DAMN! all the Sent/Mara are 2100dps and up am i doing something wrong? I'm only at 2060ds full 63 and have researcher the hell out of it.

     

    I trimmed your original parse to match the parses here and got 2100. All these parses have the start trimmed and begin from there first BIG hit (which is in the rules). Unfortunately, if you trim the start of yours you will be under 5 mins.

     

    Do another parse, keep it going for well over 6 mins. That will give you a big enough window to trim the start so your first hit is Merciless and then find a nice spikey part to finish at.

     

    As stated above, the top parses take patience as you won't hit the perfect run EVERY time.

    Madness PVE ..shock, do or don't?

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted · Edited by WooduckAUS

    Short answer for max sustained dps output = DO NOT SHOCK

     

    However there are exceptions to the rule. but until you get better with this build, i would advise to stay well away from it.

     

    Sustained dps loss with shock is around 50-100 dps.

     

    2006 dps

    http://www.torparse.com/a/133999/time/1361081883/1361082183/0/Overview

     

    No shock/project in there ^^

     

    (sorry stumbled onto this thread by accident, saw the title and it made me curious)

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted · Edited by WooduckAUS

    Congratulations ! Finally a shadow parse over 2000dps ^^

    What a crit with your shadow strike, 80% !!! :eek:

    Were you using a Rakata stim or an exotech stim ?

    Do you have an idea of the dps impact of rakata adrenals ?

    Half time I find that adrenals are useless (bad crit ^^) and rest of the time I'm thinking that it gives around 40dps (I only use exo adrenals). What do you think for a balance ?

    Thx. Never seen my shadow strike so high!! Also, my FiB was crazy low too..... I use Exo stim but Rakata adrenals. I'd agree, the adrenals won't make or break you and if you use it and then have an unlucky run on crits then its not going to help much at all. If you do get lucky and get some nice crits with the extra power from the adrenal, that is a different story. I'd guess around the 30-40 dps mark as well. Every little bit counts though!

     

    About your advice with Kephess NiM, I pre-doted the walker but did not go closer (seems dangerous after asking) for project or get the MC proc.

    On the burst phases I'm not really happy with numbers (I think one time I had to go under the walker, so not optimum )

    I don't know what to change to improve my burst, expect Project I really don't see the burst ability of this spec, yeah I have to search ^^

    Let me premise this answer with a few things first...

    1. Your raid group and boss mechanics come first, DPS comes second in my mind. Never try risky things that may cause your group to wipe, hoping to get you a few more dps.

    2. I don't raid much on my shadow anymore :mad:, so i'm happy to offer advice, as i know boss mechanics (& balance mechanics), but i do not pretend to be an expert.

    3. I have never killed Kephess in NiM. I have a healer in a group and we just downed the tanks and my guardian tank is currently working on dealing with those damn trandoshians against Kephess atm. So if anything i should be asking you for advice....lol

     

    That being said.... pre dotting is a must. I'm pretty sure that you have a few seconds before he is vulnerable that you can walk in and use your saber strike to get your procs up and regain any force too. If you do walk in too early, you will get hit hard, so timing is key. Project is pretty useless but if you have it spec'd and you can use it and then regen the willpower used BEFORE the burn phase, when you start the burn phase you will be hitting harder. Not by a lot but every bit counts if you can get the timing. If you can manage all this before your burn phase, then when it begins it would be something like FiB-MC-SS-DS-DS-DS etc...... use any procs that come up obviously. Also, you could do something similar against the 2 Tanks as well, when the "defensive systems" go up.

     

    Also, in any burn phase that will be shorter than 18 secs and you can't pre dot, then i wouldn't bother using SF either. Unless you can pre dot from 30ms as you are running in. Using that GCD for a DS would probably end up being more useful if the target is dead before the dot can apply its full damage. So switching between multiple targets would be mainly FiB - FB - DS + (whatever procs come up).

     

    Also, for a REALLY short 10-15s burn phase using your force potency charges on your FiB + Project -> FB, then spamming DS + procs. That will give increase output as well, but if the fight goes any longer, you will run out of force fast. I think project has its place, just need to be careful when you use it....

     

    I hope some of these ramblings make sense, i'm just visualizing different scenarios in my head and thinking of how to handle them for max dps.

     

    You may not be able to burst consistently higher then your amazing Infiltration numbers i see but with some practice, i'm guessing you'll get closer.

     

    And is Asation Kephess 16 HM way different ? Because on Torparse, balance shadows are only present on the 16 players version but absolutely not on the 8 players version.

    I've never run 16man ops, so can't say for sure.

     

    From what i've seen from your parses, you're hitting some very nice numbers. Curious though, how do your numbers compare against your other dps when you kill a boss? I don't put much stock in numbers after a wipe, anyone can just go at it and get good numbers but mess up boss mechanics.....

     

    I don't want to give out false information, so maybe some more experienced raiding shadows can jump in and help answer some of these questions.... or point out any other tips or advice that may help the shadow community?

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Dang! That's so good to see Wooduck. Well done. I can see that my percentages of actions is about the same so hopefully that dps will be achievable when I'm geared correctly. Do you have a mrrobot profile at all? I'm currently aiming for the 300/300/300 but I'm stuck at like 345surge 260 crit...

     

    Thank you sir.

     

    I made a quick profile, the placement of the pieces aren't perfect but the end result is the same. You can itemize whichever way you want, as long as the end result is the same. Obviously work with what you have already and upgrade what you need. Its not a case of 1 size fits all. When i upgraded my ears and implants, i had to redo my accuracy by changing a few enhancements.

     

    http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/af43a17e-9b90-41f6-9666-d2c062f0c8ba

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    I've been tracking this thread for a while now and it has helped me allot in terms of DPS output. I can say i started (Balance Spec) in low 1700 an with a couple of adjustments made with information taken from here i jumped to 1850 DPS.

     

    WooduckAUS can you provide your current build and stat distribution (crit chance, crit multiplier, power and accuracy)? This way i could easily understand where can i get the extra DPS (apart from errors in rotation and low values of APM).

     

    I will love to see a Shadow break the 2000 DPS point!

     

    Nice man, it was tough finding information when i was working on my dps. So if you get something out of this thread, i'm glad. Love my shadow, he was my first and still my fav, even though i don't play him much anymore. Happy to help others get the most out of their shadow too.

     

    Nothing special out of my build or stats, probably mentioned them in an earlier post. Build is the basic 5/5/31. I take the shadows respite out of the middle tree for the dummy testing but normally go 7/3/31 when i raid. Build is all about keeping balance between crit & power. In full 63's, i'm 300/305/300 acc/crit/surge. These stats are achievable in 63's only. While working your way up, i would not recommend 305 in crit. In 63's i have the power to balance it out. I haven't done the math but if you are in 61's, your crit would be lower, maybe around the 270 mark. Then as you hit 63's it will increase to the 300 mark.

     

    Hope this helps, good luck.

     

    ps. i just broke the 2k dps mark!!

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Yeah, i was surprised when i saw that too....

     

    Didn't snip the start either, for what it is worth. Thats from a standing start, stopping at the highest peak after 5mins.... which happened to be on the 5min mark!!

     

    If i snip the start and the end, i can get 2020 iirc @ ~4min 50secs. But i prefer not to snip the start, only the end.

     

    FiB crit unusually low (MC came in higher than FiB), so i have a feeling that with some patience (and lucky crits) i may be able to achieve a little higher.....

     

    Now if only i could get back to raiding a little more with this guy......doh!

    PvE Guide: The Ultimate Raiding Shadow DPS Compository!

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    With rakata (unaugmented at that) the number of points you have to play with is every limited and so if you went for 300 crit rating you ended up with virtually no power at all. Combine that with only a rating 140 hilt and the DPS ended up being low. Conversely, swopping everything to power instead of crit when at rakata level resulted in consistantly higher parses.

     

    Sorry, you're right, i didn't mention in what context i was referring to 300. I'm talking full DG 63's. I agree completely, reaching 300 in rakata will do more harm than good. Its all about keeping the balance as you gear up. In 61's the balance might be around the 260-270 mark, in rakata it will probably be under the 250 mark... (not sure exactly). Then as you gear up, your crit rating increases to balance out the power. As you move forward with gear its all about the balancing act for the gear you have.

     

    Sorry about any confusion from my first post. I would definitely not recommend hitting 300 in anything other than full 63's. But if you are purposefully sitting around 30-35% in full 63's, from what i've seen with my own testing, you are gimping yourself of dps. I currently sit a touch under 40% melee in full 63's and have not managed any higher results from lowering (or raising) my crit.

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Yeah, I always knew that the balance spec will be in front ^^

    For some fights it seems closer, but I need more practice with balance.

    Though, I enjoy more infiltration. I prefer watching my clairvoyant strike than watching DoTs :D

     

    In fact, I would like to see higher parses from shadows/assassins.

    Because if I look the statistics on Torparse, the top are monopolized by others classes for a lot of bosses. (Not all)

    So I can't find raid shadows parses at all (tank boss for example), higher or lower than mine.

     

    About Kephess NiM, I forgot that ! I can pre-dot the walker (not in my habits ^^)

    So Project is "useable" for burst ? I hope that to not have Respit won't be a problem.

    Thanks for advice ! I'll test it tonight.

     

    Infiltration is a viable spec, your parses show that and in a raid environment I doubt that the minor dps loss would make or break you. If you enjoy playing it than that is the way to go IMO. It is a game after all, play the class you enjoy playing.

     

    I can only talk from my own experience and I am yet to be blown away by any other class. Granted I probably haven't played with the top guilds on my server but I've played with quite a few good sents and I will hit just as hard as anyone else. Last time I looked (8/16man HM/NiM), there were quite a few shadows on the Torparse list. Obviously not as many as other classes but we were being represented by a few good shadow/assassins. I'll take a dps buff, certainly don't think we are OP...... As long as i'm in the top 2 of my raids dps after a boss kill, i'm happy.

     

    I use project in certain situations. Only time i use it is when i'm out of range and can't get in for some reason, or i use it when i have a break in dps and can get my force back while i wait. While you are waiting for the walker to drop, you could dot him and probably throw your project out too, by the time he has dropped you should have most of your force back and have your buff ready for when you spam DS. I haven't dps'd NiM Kephess, so can't say for sure. But if you can get close enough (not sure if you take damage before he drops), you could also use saber strike to have your procs ready and waiting for the burn phase. Always have to be thinking about your dots and procs!! Thats why i enjoy balance, have to be thinking 2-3 moves in advance. If not, then you will see your dps drop..... So theoretically, when the walker is vulnerable, your first 3 gcd's should be FiB - MC - SS, then spam the hell out of DS.

     

    Let me know if this works. I've been tanking and healing EC NiM, have only done the first 2 bosses on my dps. Working on NiM Kephess on my tank atm.... thats another story.....lol. Might have to go seek help from the guardian community....

    Harbinger PVE DPS Leaderboard

    in The Harbinger

    Posted

    I would still like to see the top of each class (or close to it) raiding together, to see once and for all exactly how large the dps margin is between the classes.

     

    Dummy parses are good for comparing same class parses. You can not compare dummy parses from different classes and say that is accurate.

     

    Lets get the boys and girls, together for a pissing contest and see once and for all, where they all stand.

     

    Who is with me....?

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    1812

     

    Thanks for the help again, broke through the 1800. Put in an EWH relic and a dg elemental relic and seems to be working. Currently second highest on the dummy in my guild after a sent who is only 20 ahead now :-)

     

    Don't forget that the sent that is in front, also has inspiration, which you will get when in a raid scenario. Which means you are probably close to, if not, in front right now!! Plenty of room for improvement too....

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Hi,

    Just tried, for first time, Denova NiM (8) as a Balance.

    Just a comparison between Infiltration and Balance for the second boss.

    2/31/8(not really good crit)

    7/3/31(Tonight I suspected some lag)

     

    And here first boss Asation HM (8)

    Not sure what you are saying with these parses... What i see is that Balance comes out in front. Except for a different fight which is pretty much a tank and spank, so higher parses are expected... Either way, both numbers are pretty damn good and i'd be more curious to know how you fared against the other dps in the same run?

     

    About Kephess NiM, it seems I can't burst on the walker with balance (Every dps CDs up, one-use relic up) as much as I can with inflitration.

    I begin with FiB then 2 dots then DS or backstab and 3rd dot on proc. The rest is about spamming DS and backstab on proc.

    Need advice :sul_confused:

     

    For a small burst window, I would pre-dot your boss. I don't believe they cancel out when he comes down and is vulnerable to attack (correct me if i am wrong). Then when he comes down, whatever clickys you have + FP -> FiB -> rocks -> DS + (whatever procs you get). Should hit pretty high for that section, anywhere from 2000-2500 if done right.

     

    I don't remember exactly how long that burn phase is, i've been tanking and healing lately, but anything from 20-40 secs should have you keeping up with anyone else.

    PvE Guide: The Ultimate Raiding Shadow DPS Compository!

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    No, I don't actually, since a few days ago I've been making parses using 39% crit buffed, but haven't gotten around with the lower crit number yet. Once my internet is fixed I'll try making a new parse with the different stats.

     

    I mean this with all sincerity, I would like someone who is honest instead of trying to prove they are right, show *consistent* higher results with low crit/high power.

     

    I could understand a low crit/high power build getting extremely *lucky* on a run, and hitting really good crits. Higher than what is average for your build and giving a one off really good result. Obviously with i higher base damage and a lucky run with crits, you could post higher results. If this took you 100 goes, than obviously this is far from the norm. BUT, if you could consistently show higher parses, than i would be really interested in seeing them.

     

    From all the time i've dedicated to my dummy and all the different builds that i have run, i just don't see any consistent results from a lower crit/higher power number. My best and most consistent result comes from ~300 crit. I would never tell anyone that this is how it has to be, if you do it any other way you are wrong!! I would just like to see honest results and conversation about the higher power builds. I read EVERYWHERE how low crit/high power is the only way to play, but i have never seen any results backing this theory. Please someone post some results, equivalent/higher than mine showing that high power is the way to go.

     

    I look forward to these results/discussion.

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    What are you hitting in 30 seconds, WooduckAUS? For the two parses mentioned above, I was hitting ~2450 over the first 30 seconds.

     

    Nice infiltration parse mate, got unlucky at the end. Solid numbers at the start!

     

    I practised a few burst situations on the dummy and I was hitting anywhere between 2200-2400 for the first 30 secs, which is a lot lower than what i see in your infiltration parse, BUT for situations where a balance shadow can set up while running in on the boss we can reach 2500+ like this parse here.

     

    http://www.torparse.com/a/128469/time/1360452956/1360452993/0/Overview

     

    The versatility of a balance running in, i can start my setups from 30m away then by the time we are on the boss we are in max dps territory and able to burst with the best.

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted · Edited by WooduckAUS

    Mycharacter, I'm wondering what are the most friendly bosses(big dps;)) for a balance shadow, in your opinion. (AsationHM / DenovaNiM)

     

    I did Asation HM as a balance 2 days ago, it was my first real test as a balance. (Infiltration for the last boss)

    As I was expecting, it's not really possible to do worse than an infiltration :p

     

    About Denova, what is your suggestion for the Trandoshans under the shield for the second boss ?

    Because FiB is useable but I'll have to target the outside of the shield to not destroy it.

    Project for Trandoshans ?

     

    Honestly, they are all pretty fun. Balance is such a versatile class that with a few minor tweaks for boss mechanics, you can pull some great figures that will keep inline with, if not pass, most other classes (when played right). Everyone underestimates our dps but if played right, you'll surprise a lot of people.... I wouldn't call out any 1 particular boss fight, i think you can get some good numbers with any of the bosses. Standing still, tank and spank, bring it on. Lots of movement and mechanics, we can do better than other melee classes with our mix of 30m/10m/4m moves. What people also underestimate is our burst ability.... our burst will keep up with most as well. We only need 2-3 gcd's to get going and most of the set up moves can be done running in, so when you get there you are already in max dps territory. Off a fresh start, with all cooldowns available, i'd be interested in knowing how many classes could keep up over the first 30 secs of a fight. I've done this on the dummy and know for a fact that a Sent and an infiltration shadow can't keep up... Would be interested in seeing a vanguard dps, i hear they put up solid burst numbers....

     

    As for the tanks, I'll throw a boulder on the tanks followed by a few saber strikes afterward trying to regen the force i just used and get some procs, as the defensive shields go up. When i'm under the shield i'll have full force all my procs and also the buff from my rock ready to burn down the guys under there. I've never bothered using FiB under the shield, those adds go down fairly quick. If you can manage FiB without hitting the generator without wasting time then you may as well, not sure how many you can hit...? Single target with FB and DS + MC is good enough under there. If you get a SS proc'd you can try and hit another target with it quickly then return, but normally not needed, more for fun and a challenge than anything else.

     

    If you are thinking 2-3 moves ahead, Its a class that can handle any situation well. I think thats why, after trying Infiltration out initially, i fell in love with the mechanics and rotation of this class. Always a challenge to play well, but when you get it right.... its fun to play!

     

    More importantly, it will put most Sentinels in there place.......which is below you on the dps list!!

    Shadow DPS Issues

    in Combat Styles

    Posted

    Get rid of that critical. It's atrocious. Run more power. And I can do 1850-2150 dps on certain bosses. Dps on a dummy doesn't really mean anything.

     

    The dummy is a training tool. You practice in here and then perfect out there, you will get better results, guaranteed.

    PvE Highest DPS - Post your DPS

    in Shadow / Assassin

    Posted

    Wooduck do you have an Ask Mr. robot profile that matches those nice parses you have? Also what stims/adrenals do you use when parsing? Since I went Biochem i use the rakata stim and adrenal, i can craft the exotech versions, just gets expensive for doing parses.

    I don't have a profile on Ask Mr. Robot, but if i did, it would look identical to yours except for the ears/implants. I still have BH for those 3. I also have 1 more piece of crit too. Exo stim and rakata adrenals. Have toyed with the idea of exo adrenals but agree, would be expensive......

     

    From reading this thread you imply that crit rating be a bit higher?

    Currently at :

    975 Power

    300 Surge rating

    300 Acc rating

    252 Crit rating

    Is it worth swapping out one power mod for a crit one?

    I am open to ideas and if anyone has had better luck/results from a different build, i would be happy to hear/see them. So far, my best result has come from 291 crit. I have experimented extensively above and below this mark, but have yet to do any better with any other set up. Once i replace my ears/implants, i'll test again and see if anything changes....

     

    Also about the relics I use the DG and EWH but you mentioned that running 2 DG's was better, isnt there a shared CD on them?

    For PVE content, I run 1 x DG auto hit + 1 x EWH as i mentioned above. The 2 DG's is completely situational at best for PVE. Because 1 is an auto hit and the other is clicky power, there is no cooldown to share.

     

    For pure dummy testing and only dummy testing, the 2 DG relics i mentioned do come out in front for pure sustained dps purposes. We are only talking a small amount, but all these small amounts add up when you are trying to squeeze every last dps from your shadow.

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