Nope empire gets its *** kicked. Palpatine is a sith that "Infiltrates" the republic and slowly gains power, Then the republic become the new empire.

I have already said my part on what I think would be a good staroy arc, As to the build up no idea. With Kira It would not be difficult as she seems passive on both fronts, But she is playful, Besides her and the PC have been through ALOT, So feelings go that way is not a far fetch at all. I would suggest a quest chain for companions for AFTER the main story arc, The conversation choices throughout this mission would effect weather there Bi or not. Then just allow a few harmless flirts throughout the normal campaign missions, and flirting with the NPC's but that's a minor thing

We are not a small Minority m8, I think this thread PROVES that. Now I challenge you to find me ONE thread just ONE, Where everyone (90% of participants) Is agreed on ADDING feature X that is bigger than this thread. Moddable UI and guild banks NOT INCLUDED, (There already coming and there aimed I believe for the next content patch. I'm guessing you won't, (definitely not in the story and lore section anyways) Heck when it was first announced there were threads being made and MAXED OUT (1000 posts) every other day because PEOPLE WANT IT. Now if your still not convinced then look at it this way, Instead of SGR just look at it as 2 people in love that are MARRIED for this example. New story arc comes out. (I'll use jedi as thats what I play) The jedi council find out about your marriage call you and your companion in, give you the third degree ect ect and try to force you apart, You can either split up, comprimise or tell the order to go to hell and threaten to quit the order. Once that bit gets sorted some bounty hunters or whatever could kidanap your wife or husband and you get to CHOOSE how to rescue them, You can be calm about it, Or you get REALLY ticked off and go on a rampage. Then once you find where your other half is you face bad guy X, But this is where it goes from ok story telling to either good or meh. For instance you find bad guy kill him rescue whoever done. (BORING) OR You fight bad guy X, at about 50% or sommin he/she kicks 7 bell out of you leaving you almost dead, Cut scene - Bad guy X prances about victorious, kicks you while ya down ect (you take a REAL beating) Then you other half starts shouting words of encouragement ect, Your answers effect your affection/relationship, At the end of it you find the strength to fight back (for whatever reason you picked) and have a choice to kill the kidnapper or just arrest him. Arresting him gets light side points but lose a large amount of affection with other half Killing him dark side points but bucket load of affection points . Then you go back to council get judged ect. Now thats a story arc I would LOVE, Other classes could have something smiler. The romance options give the story POTENTIAL to fold into the class story arc. Point is A full compliment of romance options only make it EASIER to expand the games story, create daily quest (For jedi it could be go to Taris for combat simulations to see if your judgement is effected) The only possible visual for SGR is that youll see a female PC with a female companion that both have the same last name (Legacy name) Don't like it turn it off and dont pick flirt with the same gender simple.

I would like to ask a few questions to the doom sayers here. 1 Name ONE just ONE MMO that can pump out the content fast enough to keep the most hardcore player busy. Answer NONE, Blizzerd can't even keep up and they have been at it longer. 2 What horrible combat, Replace the lightsabers with swords, and the blasters with bows and the flying objects with fireballs and you have the same BASIC combat wow has, I like what they did with smugglers/agents cover. 3 What game breaking bugs, level 40 now and I have not found ONE that BREAKS the game, a few annoying ones but nothing that effects the ACTUAL gameplay. (movie clips and a small amount of audio glitches. (WoW had SERVER crashing bugs for the first 4 months, not to mentions 3-5 HOUR ques, just to log on and the server crash again. 4 Money making wise, If anyone here thinks that a game as big as an MMO can make its money back within 8 weeks is smoking some really weird stuff (can i have some). Game takes x to make, realistically you would expect to hit the green patch around half the development time. So my guess would be TOR starts making profit by 6 months (assuming it took 1 year to make start to finish) Thats taking into account all the content they push out between now and then too witch still costs money. People said Warhammer online would die, Umm its still going pretty strong, and STILL turning a profit, would have done better with a less bumpy start. WoW was said to be doomed at the end of vanilla,TBH/Wrath and even now, Umm its still here and is one of the most played games, Why because it has GROWN, It didnt come out the bad like it is now 7 years ago. (It was piss poor then) Now you want a failier of a game go and see Command and conquer Tiberium twilight (C&C4) that was pitiful. I trust Bioware here and with MY MONEY, Why making a GOOD game is hard, making that game even BETTER is a mammoth task and if anyone can do it it's Bioware, I just hope the EA idiots responsible for C&C4 are not allowed within 100 miles of this game. elexier out-

It sounds like a gear issue tbh. I have only used Kira now sitting at level 39 things are starting to get a little iffy but thats because I have not really updated any of mine or Kira's gear since around level 29/30. So now I'm doubling back clearing all the side quests I missed to get gear/creds and will probably visit the AH for needed upgrades. One thing I will say though make sure you buy your new skills EVERY other level, You have no idea how many times I tried to kill angral only to relize i hadnt upgraded my skills for around 6-8 levels. And I didnt realize i had actual SPEC specific skills till then either. (yeah i know i know ) Also for elite mobs ect I tend to send Kira in first, Kill off the weak/normals if its a group, And then Hit master strike on the elite taking agro off Kira before she dies, Force stasis is good, And learn to use your stun and high damage (the one that can only be used while there stunned) You get a similer ability that requiers your target to bleed.

Try Jedi Sentinel and having a specific class quest bug out (when we first go for the emperor) and you end up with 3 Elites and 4 healing weak mobs, as well as 4 normals. I find the elites don't actually hit that hard, its there special abilities (the ones with a cast time) that hit like trucks. Level 39 and its been my knight and Kira all the way, sure we died a few times figuring out fights, but thats the challenge (Agral was a COMPLETE *** to kill)

Voting post (2nd post down on first page) updated with new poll.

Well Congratulations guys I don't know if numbers mean anything but this thread right here, the one your currently in is now the HOTTEST topic in the story/lore section. Out of the top six threads the most replied to are 1st - Same gender relationships clarifications? - 381 replies 2nd - The Sexism Hammer--Female NPC are Shallow, Vain and Subservient - 327 replies 3rd - Females never given flirt options? - 228 replies 4th - Female Romance Options - 226 replies 5th - takes place 3000 years BEFORE Star Wars? - 211 replies 6th - Favorite Romance Relationship in SWTOR? - 196 replies Funny how 4 of the top six threads are about romance's and or flirting. Methinks Bioware might need to wake up here and find out whats up. They started a GREAT thing that can potentially push MMO's into there next era and change the way we look at MMO's forever. Bioware You have laid the foundation now expand on it. My challenge to Bioware. Give us a companion story arc that tugs our heart strings, preferably one that involves our married companion (the one we are married to) and don't just kill them that's mean.

As far as I am concerned if My female jedi knight wants to flirt/sleep her way across the galaxy that's MY/HER choice, same for everyone else. On a side note some poor sap had no died that didn't deserve it due to my Jedi's Tensions. Please Bioware help my Jedi relieve her tensions. She's had ONE, count them ONE flirt option the entire game 39 Level's so far) not counting DOC who as Kira puts it "That guy's a walking hormone" Now I played around on a Imperial Agent, level 3, thats right LEVEL 3 and she gets the goods. Female smuggler, has flirted with 3-4 npc's and Corso (his kinda cute) Level 10. Jedi concealer, 1 flirt option (EXACTLY the same one as my Jedi knight), And her first companion is giant lizard so I don't think thats going to work out somehow, I might be wrong.

The problem with that is that all the PvPers are talking about different things, wanting different things buffed/nurfed/removed/added ect. Operation issues is balancing again completely different department. We are all after same gender romance, Were unified in what we want, The discussion is how to implement it, and wanting to know when its being aimed for release.

Here's to hoping for something in February. Valentines day is upon us, I wonder if Bioware is holding out on us because of this.

I feel really disappointed now. Female Jedi Knight sentinel, Smitten over Kira, but alas nothing can come of it yet (watery puppy dog eyes at Bioware) Doc is irritating. Smuggler, Corso is pretty cool. Counciler - ummm only got the lizard so far, I can't see that going anywhere tbh bit too spiky. Female chars only,

If your a Jedi knight (I think you are, or the sith counterpart) Yes you get a healer later and its better, My driod is called C2 and I really really want to launch him out of an airlock, EVERYTIME I get on my ship he sounds like a cronic buttkisser. I sent him on a combat mission and made him suicide just to shut him up.

Now if I was playing empire and or heavy dark side I might understand BUT. Jedi Knight sentinel completely light side, Kira is also 8000+ affection. (only 50 darkside points, I gave into Doc :'(, Yes I feel dirty) Not a SINGLE word from any of them I feel bioware missed a massive opportunity.

It "Almost" worked sorta (Just done that very mission) Thought i'd have to use Doc for that one but turns out I didn't Me and Kira cut everything down without too many issues accept for when a patrol bugged out. (4 elites, 6 strong and 8 of those healing acolite things) yeah I did a few times clearing that patrol out. What I don't get is that.... NONE of my companions have said a WORD about being captured/torcherd forced to do terrible things, Not one of them wanted to talk about it :'(.

Most of this thread is about changing the current companions as people have become very attached to them, I Think it would be wrong to just brush aside you current companions whome you have come to know/understand and help through tough times (Kira's involvement within the Jedi Knight arc for example). I like a few others have not used any other companion other than Kira from the time she joined my crew, why ? She's funny Has a similar outlook to me along with a half a dozen other reasons.

Thank you Yvin for cleaning up some of the more volatile posts, Shame some valid points got cut as well, but thats the price of keeping things in perspective. Any chance of proper polls being added to the forums would make thinks easier to judge Now I have had time to think about that statement from BW, The bit about "UNLOCKING" romances ect. What IF, Instead of 10,000 being the companions affection limit, 10,000 was the FIRST level of affection. Once 10k is reached, you have to hit 50 to trigger level 2 affection, In level 2 you not only unlock new companion quest, This is where SGR can be unlocked if you choose (Sometimes it takes people a while to understand there feelings and "Come out of the closet" so to speak" They could also add other things to further current relationships (Including friendly and romantic as well as SGR's) This I think might actually fit pretty well, seeing as sometimes it takes a while for people to "come out" about there feelings. This way current companion story arc's would not need changing, Only the other NPC flirt options ect would need adjusting slightly witch I belive would be alot easier as there usually one or two line's. Thoughts ?

Okay, replace "SGRA" with "interracial romance" in what you wrote and read it again. Do you think people would be happy with that suggestion? No? Neither do I. I don't agree on this analogy at all, Do I see the point, YES I DO, but also see it from the other side of the fence YOU CANNOT PLEASE every single person. Let me put it to you another way. Lets for arguments sake say that Bioware just give up on SGR and leave it out completely, How long do you think it would be before another MMO comes along that has it in. (A VERY long time, The makers will take one look at the can of worms here and say hell no) Now lets flip it shall we. Bioware put SGR into the game as I suggested with a romance preference selection upon that chars creation. Now when another MMO comes along that wants to "Rule the roost" so to speak, They will look at why different MMO's are doing well see SGR in SWTOR and try to outdo there competition. Also this term "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander" Is not always appropriate. Clown fish - Its good for them to hide in sea anemones, Another fish tries it they end up the sea anemones lunch. A great man once said "Sometimes you have to back up a little, To go forwards more" I believe this is one of those cases where the saying is appropriate.

PS Im about to tear this post apart. first of all you cant queue for flashpoints. < This feature did not come into WoW untill I believe it was TBC. players are so unreliable so its hard to find a good group it takes for ever > This is nothing to do with the game, your just unlucky. theres too many heroic quests like i said it takes forever to find a good group and the heroics are impossible to solo. Now try soloing a level appropriate heroic in wow let me know how it goes. there is only 1 area to quest per alliance which is *********** ridiculous, Umm you sure you have the right game, you have ONE PLANET with multiple zones. they should have focused more on content and less on gosh darn voice acting. This is a GOOD thing, and WoW had BUGGER ALL CONTENT at launch, it had Molton core at launch, that was it. the side quests are boring you have to walk across the planet to get to them its just a big mess. The side quests USUALLY tie in nicely with the mainline quest. (And its not that much walking. it shouldnt even be classified as a rpg imo in almost all rpgs theres freedom to choose where you want to level, WoW did not do this either, You had like 3 zones PER BRACKET , and that was only due to races. You my freind are NOT a vanilla wow player and I'm sorry but have NO RIGHT at all to compare this game to wow, I played WoW for 8 years (got it 2 weeks after release) Sounds like you came into it in TBC when WoW peaked its highest. WoW had a god awful launch classes were not balanced AT ALL and "Endgame" was most classes spamming ONE BUTTON some had 3. Paladin - cleanse (Install de cursive, bind key to cleanse stick healer on follow and just tap the button while watching TV, that was paladin raiding in vanilla wow. Mage, One spec only and that was frost and only frost bolt was ever used, occasionally decurse. The point is WoW was HORRIBLE when it was first out, SWTOR is 100 times better than wow was in vanilla, sure theres bugs, what mmo DOES'T have bugs. But the content is there. Yes it needs fleshing out, but thats what an MMO is, a game that EVOLVES, WoW is a COMPLETELY different game from back at release. A good MMO has the groundwork layed out and a smooth launch (I believe SWTOR has had the best launch in MMO history, I could be wrong there), WoW certainly didn't, I still have nightmares about those 4 hour long ques :S Give the game 6 months and if things goto plan, SWTOR will cripple WoW, PROVIDED Bioware can keep up with the majority of players with regards to new content and that they listen to the community.

Hopefully this will all be expanded upon along with SGR, in the next content update. We don't need another flashpoint just yet

I know right, Soo many of the NPC's yo come across, Heck about 70% of what your companion just "SAYS" to you could be taken as flirts but there not labeled as such and therefore don't actually do anything. I actually wonder if people would be complaining about all NPC's being "Bi" if they were all Bi to begin with. (Ok not all but a fair few, common even if your not that way inclined it would be pretty funny seeing a big *** buff trooper flirting with a skinny young commander.

Just about to give this a read but I had to say this. First WOW thats a long one (I love a good read) Secondly Does the title and the chapters designed to mislead one to thinking the ummmm yeah you know lol. LOVE the titles and chapters.

Yes they have said they WILL be adding SGR. But they have not said How or when. ALOT of people want to see the current companions available for SGR and the current ones also fleshed out a little more BEFORE they add new ones. I personaly do not see why we who want SGR should have to wait till POST 50 to get it when straight relationships get it as early as LEVEL 3. (Play Imperial assassin upto level 3 (just do the story arc not the side quests)

So level 37 now 100% light side untill last night, Been lusting for Kira since they met, 30ish levels of tension I had to do sommin or else I would have killed some poor sod that didnt deserve it :S And got with Doc :'(, His comment afterwards about a stiff neck made it even worse, So I told him he was being pig headed. Curse you Bioware, I was saving those Darkside points for Kira, I wonder if I can flush doc out of an air lock But yeah, My Jedi knight feels dirty now

OK this is getting a bit silly now. Try to cater to one side of the fence, the other does get left out (those being people that WANT SGR) Try to cater to BOTH (the select gender preference toggle) and those that want SGR still are not happy. /facedesk So what options do we have. Redo all the companion quests and dialog to suit both preferences (Those that do not want relationships at all just simply click one of the other two dialog options) Just flick the Bi switch (as someone put earlier) and be done with it, and hope that future content is made to line up with any option. Someone HAS to give a little for things to move forwards. A lot of people want SGR there are some however that do NOT wish to see it, and even some that don't want to see any of it, A toggle MAKES sense, it may not be perfect, it may not be flawless, But its probably the most cost effective way of doing it, everyone gets to do it there way. It would not be discriminating or alienating anyone. The ONLY other way I can see this being solved is possibly the march update witch opens up new quest chains for current companions. Now IF you do not like any of those, PLEASE at least suggest what you think would be better over all. A lot of us are very attached to certain companions, Me its Kira the chemistry feels ready and if I didn't know any better would guess that's where its going. I can see it with Corso too, Doc just irritates me and I wan't to throw him out of an airlock, Particularly after my Jedi knight caved last night and doc's comment afterwards had alot of cheese. My Knight feels dirty now, Was saving my first darkside points for Kira :'(