It's not even about the announcement, but hyping like they did for such a piss poor reward, "Is the world ready for this"... seriously? Oh and a announcement that spoils future story?? ... Hey all guess what droid companion either didn't actually die or gets fixed... Really it's about the lack of content, for PVE and PVP etc... I don't even do that much PVP but they deserve something as well. I'll sub again... Q4 next year probably. Consume the new 9 hours of story and drop it again, my ~150 million creds and 4000 cartel coins will still be here. Paying $20 (ish* after my exchange rate) to run old ops I was bored of a year+ ago... Where is the value for my dollar... not to mention the extra money sunk into cartel coins. I can tell you what I don't need and what is not retaining me is 300 companions that all do the same thing but look slightly different (I have mounts or pets or gear looks or decorations for collecting *if* that was my thing - we have enough collecting.) Each and every companion has this terrible rep system I have to grind out for on each and EVERY toon, maybe "have to" is strongly worded... but still a terrible design... I guess they hate altaholics... run the same story 8-16 times = Fun?? Grind companions over and over and over... = fun? This is for retention? smh... Anyone that says this is the future of MMO's... ... if you are right, then the genre is dead... I think you and Bioware/EA is on crack. No you can't have my stuff

Founder, Beta Tester. My sub runs out on the 18th. I just canceled it. Nice announcement for subs. This is my opinion of it.

you fixed it... wow.

^ this

Just tried to pvp as a healer. Got the "new" huttball map. So I'm on the middle floor but the names of people getting killed on the bottom floor are lit up like they are in range, Try to heal "Cannot see target" Next guy, try to heal "Cannot see target". I quit because I can't stand hutball but that map as a healer is a GFYS from Bioware. I re-que after 30 or so seconds, thrown back into same match, quit and log on to a lowbee toon to level. Metrics say I hate PVP and LOVE story right?

That truly seems to be what they are doing, screw the people that have supported them for 3 years as a MMO and create a game with micro transaction and story that just keeps coming… it might be very successful… but it will likely lose the MMO crowd in favor of a new crowd. That makes me sad as I am a MMO player. I think this is an over simplification of what people are saying/feeling and just as dismissive as you are accusing the naysayers of being. Why does it always have to be one or the other? That's the core issue here isn't it - Always feast or famine. I keep seeing “They are giving us story – so shut up, you wanted this last year!” – Ya sure, I did/do want story but not in the absence of all other things! So the real questions is why is this happening – easy answer imho: They choose to split their focus 6 ways! (More?) 1 – Story, solo FP’s etc… single player game 2 – Ground PVP 3 – Space PVP 4 – Decorations/Strongholds/Guild ships/Costumes and the cartel market 5 – Ops 6 – Flashpoints They said they would never let ops languish for over a year again and are now doing exactly that but worse… they have over extended themselves with 6 unique branches of focus without 6 different teams cranking our content. They can’t possible ever release enough content for any of it to make all of us happy this way. It is and was a stupid mistake, if this is how they think to "fix" SWTOR and gain focus – then they are going to have a very different audience than they do today very soon… hopefully it does not kill the game for those that stay. I just changed my sub to 30 day re-occuring instead of 180 days, I get renewed Oct 18th – So good timing I guess. I hope their “metrics” capture that. ^ This is how I feel about it. I also see lots of responses – “People that grind ops over and over for a piece of gear are stupid and/or the same as people that do story over and over” – I do not do OP’s/Group content for the piece of gear, it helps us progress the harder content sure, but it is not why I log on. I do them to hang out with 7-8 friends on a voice chat. We talk about our days and lives and we interact. Because its actual people I depend on them and they depend on me to do things in game and if any of us screw up we have to adjust on the fly or if I am PVP’ing against someone what the other guy does is dynamic… it’s never the same… perhaps predictable at times but not like Story is predictable – that is *real* monotony after the first time. If someone betrays you in story … it’s not a question if they will do it again the next time you play that story… they will. In the same place, saying the same thing. There is a very distinct difference between group content grinds and story grinds. People that don’t get that should leave their basements once in a while and meet people. Maybe a bit harsh but I really don’t get how one can’t see a clear difference. This quote is great: Lastly if was not for getting together with friends 2-5 times a week (not just ops, but couple/three of us in Teamspeak chatting) I would not login at all these days. Getting rid of content that supports us in the sense of getting on Teamspeak and chatting and adding only content that – due to story and conversations people want to hear, actually discourages people from getting on Teamsspeak and being social is not a win… it is a really really big loss for this game. I recently leveled a toon with a friend, Sorc and a Warrior – we helped each other and watched each other’s stories. It was fun until we hit Makeb/Rishi/Yavin and everything needed to be done solo once or twice in order to count for both of us. Not fun. Discouraged us from grouping past 50/vanilla story ever again. , What was the point? Had to do it alone and listen to my own story anyway or do it twice *gag*. Finally finally – this thread, all the worry and negative back and forth is a direct result of Bio-Wares lack of communication. Something they seem to take pride in regardless of the repeated promises to be more transparent.

Using myself as an example. I have 16 60's - Many prior to 12x xp - the metric on me would indicate I LOVE story. LOVE it. The truth is I *like* it but mostly I just get bored. I run HM OP's 2 times per week with people I have been with online for 2-3 years in this game. They are friends. Do the metrics tell Bio-ware that I would run HM OP's with them 5-6 days a week if I could? I can't get 8 people to show up 6 days a week (nor should they have to, lol)... the reality is I can't do that so I am forced to do other things. But it looks like I prefer story as I do it more. These 8 people spoil me, I HATE PUGS WITH A LOATHING PASSION. So I do not run Group content without my peeps that are all on TS and know what to do or can adjust as needed. Reality skews/skrews the metrics. We have no ability to create in game events, we are forced to use external websites no one wants to visit (and so they don't) to organize in game events or group content - So its near impossible to get people involved - you have to beg them to go to a website and sign up or get on Teamspeak etc... and they often don't regardless - so if it wasn't for 8 of us knowing the time and day to be on and being committed to that almost without fail we would not run any OPs and I know this is a struggle for friends running in other guilds... Did the metrics notice that, while i have done unique stories 16 times, I have run Ziost 4.5 times across 16 toons? That I loathe Rishi and Yavin but have little choice? I did Ziost once to see it pub side, once to see it Imp side, a different class to see if the story changes much. Like 4 lines/responses are were new and so I got bored - hence 50% the way though on one toon. So is no new OP' and FP's really what the fan base wants or can metrics be skewed to fit whatever the person viewing them wants them to look like. (I have helped people run Ziost, so its actually more now - 4.5 times by own motivation... if it wasn't helping someone i would not have chosen to do it again on my own. Also 1 time I had to to get a toon access to the op boss.) If I offer 3000 7 years olds a piece of cheese *or* a chocolate bar can I really say 90% of the 7 year olds in the world hate cheese? ... I think according to bio-ware that answer is yes. Give us ways to get people involved in grp content that is not just a "Here are a bunch of random people, they may have no idea what they are doing." button and then saying - well... no one likes group content.

Still have no idea when the patch is coming and/if we should show up tonight, not expecting much from the devs/qa - lmao - like they have QA.

So I get mad and /rant - I get ripped up by this "great" community. But at same time - no part of that is made up... unless 30 tickets is more than 20 or whatever the max is that I have now reached from hitting the spam button on my in game mail window FOR Bio-ware. They have THANKED me via a pop up window over and over for doing this. I have now stopped reporting. Obviously. I still can't email guildies back to back. lol - it's just BRUTAL! I hate these forums, avoid as much as I can. Horrible people here. But at some point... jeesh.

I have ops planned tonight.... I need to let my guildies know. Do we have servers tonight or are you F'kin up this primetime time window, now? (Still boggles my mind how prime time outage is okay O.o)... whatever - But can I tell my team, yeah or nah? They, you know, work for a living and make exceptions/favors to make Tuesdays... I'm (as GM) being asked... give me some F'in info plz. **Funny story, HIGH-larious** I tried to in game mail 2 of my guildies tonight., I'm GM and they are on my friend list. But after first mail I got flagged as a spammer (its working so well.) So I could not in game mail both of my guildies. It's OK though, I have reported in game MAIL spammers using the button in the mail window. But now I can no longer make tickets... and Bio-ware has left 30 (over the last month) automated tickets open, that I can't close - because I didn't create them. The auto spam button did. The button I used and was thanked for did this to me. So the THANK YOU message I have gotten repeatedly when reporting these in game mail abusing spammers now means I can't make tickets for my actual game play.

How does a North American game not take priority in NA? How does making it better for Europeans, to have a better down time, (Euro's using a North American server mind you...) not what they signed up for? 0.o? Maybe I'm crazy but the Aussie's on our servers signed up for a NA server right? I would assume the EU server also do not have a prime-time outage. I work in I.T. you have late nights. You have over-nighters. It's your job, be it dolly parton nine to fivers, corporate meetings or games.. you work nights, not prime times.

This ^

Exactly what I expected from this cesspool of a community. Jeesh, almost to the letter of what I predicted... no worries Bio-ware will ban me for being inflammatory, becuase of this post. This type of incredibly common response will be ignored... no bad kid points for you... you're just a negative person that makes people not want to come to these forums. at all. So ban me.... fixed... Horrible bored people can design your game. I mean OBVIOUSLY they are on these forums because they care the most about this game. yep - The trolls you listen to care more than all of us. I am a founder and I HATE these forums. It's the environment you foster Bio-ware.

Awesome after are first guild downing of HM SS we actually got some tries in on UL because they didn't do a ridiculous prime time outage. Wonder if they Will FK up our TUesday run or the Wednesday one. What ever mind set at Bioware that thinks prime-time outages are ok in a mmo, you need to rethink it. Doesn't matter if the day, mornings or 11pm at least. And no i dont care about Europe/Aussie - do theirs at a dif time... prime time outages are not ok.

Really... I report in game *mail* spammers, every time. You (bio-ware) create a in game ticket ticket automatically and a THANK YOU message. BUT Bio-ware leaves so many open I now can't create a new ticket? For an actual problem?? "You have exceeded the maximum numbers of tickets that can be open at a time." is the message I get. **edit** PUT THIS POST IN CUSTOMER SERVICE FORUM AT FIRST*** I can't create post in CS, I had to try here just because... not even sure this will work. *edit* Post(s) showed up here and in CS forums after a while - not sure when - I went to bed and gave up on it as they were not showing up Friday night.

I parked a toon there and just logged in to check here and there. He was not there mid Tuesday and found him on Wednesday... so not sure what spawn timer is but its not just with server reset. He is just a gold so likely people leveling are killing him for the chest he sits beside.

ya hence why people that criticize for grinding just don't know what they are talking about. I had 8 pub toons and 8 imps and needed to grind these. If you look at my above post man I give you a few good spots to grind.

Hey guys - did this on Pub side tonight (Securing Quesh for the Republic) - found a decent spot all things considered. Here is a map of where I did my loop. Little red dots along the blue path are mobs with a silver that will count (Sith Mara mostly) and the big red dot is a named elite (easy to kill) that spawns every 2nd lap/loop. ( mobs re-spawn faster than i could finish loop) Each loop took me about 2 minutes, 14 kills per loop. (107 minutes from 0/750) (elite not included in math (would be 14.5 per loop) That time is assuming a few things... - I only looted blue beams in case it was a datacron, nothing else was looted (btw I got 7 light Cunning datacrons out of it.) - Level 60 in mostly 192's with an aoe big enough to kill each pull all at once in 2 ticksish - you don't need 192's - that's just what I had and so maybe faster kills than a lower geared toon) - I have the legacy perk where I can run and mount at same time (and I used it). - there are droids that count in this area for that achieve (Quesh Droid Demolisher), but its not the best place there is a spot (here that you can get 2-3 per grp while you hunt Cartel forces) So less than 2 hours while you Netflix Daredevil or whatever.

they are just changing the XP grants so that no 12 times, xp boosts etc... are needed.

Just thought I'd post this for future google searches. Good spot is the Lower Industrial Sector near the Mandalorian rage heroic entrance. See this pic for a path just outside that elevator for mobs that will respawn almost as fast as you can kill them all on the path marked. http://imgur.com/myJ6AHQ Have a companion out that needs 1000 kills and your doing "Nar Shaddaa Eradication" at the same time. I found no google help for this - hope it helps you.

Ya just finished the Bormu the other day - I know that pain. You are right had these been in place day one I might have hit a lot of these on way through with 16 toons. 12 x xp and achieves happened after I had leveled most of my toons. - Not sure if you done Belsavis yet - hopefully the info I provided is helpful if you need it ... didn't take too long once i found that spot. Open world pvp acheevs should be removed... I'm really supposed to go farm level 30 players ... a 1000 of them... how is that an achievement or fun for anyone. (I'd also like a leader board! Not sure where I'd be with ~25.5k I'm at now and it would be fun to know.)

On a actually helpful note - if any one needs this for the imp side go here. http://imgur.com/A9HOGHL *edit* searched high and low... found this spot... not a great re-spawn timer and 13 kill counts for clearing the platform. http://imgur.com/sqObtWB - maybe helps someone else. If anyone finds a better spot that would be super. (yellow is resettlement camps QT point, blue circle is platform) *edit again* actually directly to the south (slight East) is another platform that will provide kills. The two combined provide 24 kills and then the re-spawn is still a bit of a wait but not as bad. (lots of animals and lurkers in area for other achieves as well)

We have very different definitions of the word "Helpful" This is essentially all you have posted. So I still don't understand your need to respond in the first place... but maybe had you first responded with this: I would have replied thanks anyway but they are not counting and so I am hoping someone had an actual spot they could suggest. (notice I pruned out your blind assessment of my ability to see the mobs.)

You sure about that? Seems every time someone asks a question on these forums that's what they get. Not a answer or good info, just borderline condescending responses saying in some way some how I'm not doing it right or I'm *fail* in someway That has certainly been my experience. I feel you were, you didn't help me or answer the question. Just suggested I do it completely differently and that I'm not paying attention. I never said it was "hard", it was one sentence for peet's sake. I just asked if some knew a good spot, that's it... you don't know a spot so why did you respond? (Besides an attempt to make me feel stupid for asking?) I didn't think I needed to back up my question with facts about why I am asking - but here: I have killed NPC's named Exactly "Republic Soldier" and they don't count. The Achieve is "## / 750 **republic soldiers** Defeated". So go figure. I have 16 60's 8 on each side for each advanced class and my grand total is 157 of these before I started. So I want to complete achievements for something to do and asked for some advice from someone that may have done this before and recalled having the same issue as me. I know, terrible of me to think I could come here for actual help instead of ridicule/assumptions about my ability to pay attention. :\

Just did 750 on my imp toon in one shot, found a nice spot with ~30-40 guys that re-spawned in about 40 seconds... was easy and even though i one shot them all no down time in my little loop ... So any advice not argumentative or "your doing it wrong". :\