I was 3rd BM and 1st War Hero on my server Pre- 1.1 patch - I pvp'ed my *** off and was good at it. I unsubbed and uninstalled - I think I have only a few days left on it. Warzoning was OK. But Ilum and what is has become is ridiculous. I consider myself a very hardcore PvP'er and this game is def. not worth playing atm.

it's the reason my sub is gone

nah~ Ilum bugs me - farming and win trading are not things I want to do. I was on the road to getting server 1st Elite Warlord until Ilum changes made it a joke. Be back (possibly) when its fixed.

OWPVP is a myth. Impossible to balance it and maintain a healthy and even population. It's just Reb's waiting in their base, group up, roll the Imp's for about 15 min. until they are pushed back into their base by a group x3 larger. Even if you constructed things like objectives or w/e the population imbalance is still a factor that will always make it un-enjoyable. Blizz realized this with WG and made TB in response. Ilum is basically going to change very little until they just straight up make a new planet with a 40v40 queue and objectives. - large enough to make people think its actual world PVP, but still structured enough that nobody has an unfair # of players.

i love the internet chances are you and especially 27 of your "guild-mates" will still be playing next month lawl BW doesn't care about threats dude. They still get a paycheck from you when you decide to reactivate .. then cancel.. and do so every other day

Uhmmm.. most of the features of WoW you described were NOT in the game until years later... just sayin' SW:tOR has been out for 5 weeks.

lawl. funny thing is. Tracer missile is the next to get nerfed. who knows maybe it will make you even better... like they did to OP's today

side question: you goto the gym only to cancel any benefit from it by eating steaks and drinking a $*** load? I dont see the logic.

I might not get 5k crits anymore, but hidden strike doesn't give full resolve. 5.5 sec stun duration instead of 3. I can't wait for the tears to flow. In that time I can kill almost anything next to a tank or sorc.

As a rank 75 Valor player of concealment Ops with all but 1 piece of BM gear: The burst is big. Probably too big when going against certain classes. I've hit for 8.6k before the bracket changes. Anyone in Medium or lower armor does take a lot of damage. I can go 1/2 way with all the sub 50's who haven't seen full geared 50 premades and I will agree some changes were needed, but their proposed changes are a bit too severe. As posted by someone earlier, if a person is good enough or has the support to survive the opening burst, Ops aren't that great. We have very little utility outside the 5-10m range. IMO Bioware really needs to wait for more people to gear up and realize this. I'll take the 20% nerf for hidden strike or 1.5 sec. reduction on stun, but both AND the acid blade nerf is going to completely illegitimize the concealment tree.

I don't agree - I played against premades with very good gear and smart players. It is VERY difficult even with my gear and ability to completely dominate a Sorc/Sage if they spec correctly. Ofc Tanks are the same. The issue is more psychological. People hate being out of character control. Being stunned and unable to fight back makes them upset. Not having clear sight of a target before they attack. This can be countered by smart builds and teamwork. I really don't see end-game competative PVP being dominated by Ops. I really don't.

Well that is the nature of MMO PVP. Unnecessarily nerfing a class because of community pressure. Next month it will be the sages/sorcs When will the madness end.

Meh, give it 2 months when everyone is valor 70 and it will be the Ops on this forum QQing about every other class

tell your sage friend to get 12 points in the middle tree to blind the Op out of hidden strike. That AoE heal is for PVE and doesn't belong in WZ's. All OP effective damage is out of stealth. When you negate that, they are hardly a problem.

I'm not suggesting brackets, but you need to realize Ops aren't OP when up against equally geared 50's of other classes. 99% of the QQ is from sub 50's with zero expertise. EDIT: It might of seemed like I want brackets, but It was more implied. I'll say - More of a need for brackets then to nerf the Operatives. <-- that version might sound better

I'm guessing you are not level 50. With 572 Expertise like me... If a tank had 570 Expertise, I would only tickle him as he strolls into the Huttball endzone. Which class is OP now?

Electric bindings - this is of course if you are going corruption. The AoE heal vs. surviving Op hidden strikes is a no-brainer.

Get lvl 50 before posting here. Assassin knockdown doesn't cause full resolve. Equally geared and smartly talented players can get up, cc, run, dot, kill an Op. What you want is brackets. when more people hit 50 and get champion gear or better, Op QQing will be the thing of the past.

I am BM with 5 pieces of BM gear, full champ, with biochem stims & adrenals. Surprise - I can kill sub 50's usually before they get up. You know what this is? A need for brackets. Because... Equally geared 50's are a different story. Even when I have my full rotation on tanks who are in tank spec, they aren't going to die. In fact, they will have a full resolve bar and probably 75% HP or more once they get up. Sages/Sorcs need to learn how to spec. Even if you want to heal in PVP, you need to understand you cant take your PVE spec into PVP. Get 12 points in lightning and use your dots. 18 sec. that the Op can't stealth again and you've taken zero damage. Seriously, this isn't an issue with Ops being OP. It is the need for brackets and/or the players not experimenting with new builds that focus on PVP survivability. IMHO - Ops aren't OP, but do have an advantage in that they can position themselves better. This is needed, since their effective range is 10m. or less.

To those sages/sorc's getting owned by Ops/Scoundrels, you are talenting wrong and not saving your trinket. I.e. you are bad at PVP. 12 points in lightning and dots literally make Ops useless. stop QQing

To those who are getting owned by Ops: hit 50 and get gear! <------------- THIS I am battlemaster Operative with 4 pieces of BM gear and full Champ and I will destroy all sub 50's. A geared 50... I cannot. I cannot burn through 21k HP a tank has or healer's bubble and heal potential. A smart and geared Marauder will always beat me in damage if they spec correctly. People saying 600k damage in 1 WZ are lying to try to get the class nerfed. TIP: GET 50 AND GET GEARED BEFORE GOING ON THE FORUMS AND CRYING.

OP sages

post some sniper 390K+ ss's when u hit 50. Btw, your snipe and ambush scale. Even if you hit 50, you wont magically do 50% more dmg. Gear won't give you more than 10% or so increase if that. As a sniper, 20 or 50, thats basically all your doing. boring class.

up for debate. Hidden strike is only worth it with the concealment talents. you also have to consider the role of an Operative. Probably should be heals, but Bioware hates healers and in PvP you will get 50% less commendations if you heal. leave AoE's for BH's and Troopers.

thats the problem with being solo. Also it was extremely close. 4sec. left they got our ball carrier. that is out of my hands. Also, F the objective score. means nothing.