I get healing to work, it's just the fact of for every 100 HP that's 30 health I didn't heal. Then 300, then 3000, etc etc. When I average 300k a game I'm missing out on 90k healing, let's see how DPS likes losing out on 30% of their DPS to where they don't kill a target while missing 30% of a heal gets a healer killed or a team member killed. Then again, MOST of these healers QQing sadly don't CC or attack ever. I try to at least do 1/3rd of my healing as damage since I focus on CC and healing. But always have well over 25 kils.

Log in, create a guild, and congrats you're in the top 300 US Ranked Guilds. L2P or go back to WoW.

Good thing you have to think of tactics to win then? For most people it's common sense, like why you don't stick your hand into a running blender. Ya, it looks cool at first but have at it my good man.

Taking principles of WoW is like taking the principles of what WoW stole from many games before it, so again, I stand by my previous statements. WoW created nothing, the only smart thing it did was advertise which got it where it is today. That's what they mean by blizzard "Cracking the market open", granted many other games before it did the same thing long before WoW was out. Long story short : One was advertised, many others weren't and still thrive to this day even without tricking people into thinking it's god's greatest gift to gamers. (I think I may have threw up a bit in my mouth for putting that last part of the line and having "WoW" in my post.)

Like alot of other games that it took that from, oh but wait nobody would know the names. Amirite? No but seriously, nobody cares about WoW except for people think WoW is "good". WoW didn't create that fluid movement, nor is it better then other games that did it before. #1 Rule of MMO's : Don't speak of WoW 2nd Rule of MMO's : Once you bring up WoW you already lost the conversation, give up and learn from your mistakes. 3rd Rule of MMO's : WoW should be censored in all forums that are not related to WoW, as it is the equivalent of a nazi but in MMO form. That and it is a constant reminder of why you can't say "wow" anymore without someone thinking of it irl.

I'd never expect it to be like WoW healing, as WoW is the epitome of easymode MMO gameplay. The fact is, that's 30% healing reduction. That in no way becomes "WoW-like" healing. Say if the max HP at the time is 30k, like say WotLK release. You could heal that in 2 heals or just 1 crit heal. Max HP in this is generally around 12k on most characters, even with a crit-heal you won't heal them to full in the blink of an eye. If DPS isn't reduced in PVP then HPS shouldn't be effected either, instead, making more skill oriented fixes would solve the issue without being a blanket fix. Why should a healer be punished because of lack of proper play? CC is there, people aren't using it properly. As I said before, if 5 people are on a target and it isn't dieing you don't deserve the kill to begin with. Fact is, people should learn healers are the key point in winning. That's the bottom line, the other issue is people thinking it's all just the healer and forget about other healing methods. PVP injections Medkits Personal healing abilities It's always been a known fact that healing items + healing = extremely bad mix. Or at least do it for arena based play because it's to small scale to really run into that issue. Ladies and Gentlemen, Captain Obvious! No but seriously, please read the post. I've been healing in many MMOs and of course rolled a healer on here, there is no reason for someone not to die if 3+ people are on them if 1 healer is healing them unless nobody is attacking the healer. As for your comment... i can keep myself up with 2 dpsers on me who aint using cc. Ding ding ding! If I had CC-free healing sprees nobody would die, yes, nobody. Infact, it was proven the 3 games I went 400k+ healing because I had 4 people babysit me and drop anyone that tried to target me. Now I admit being pre-rejuv and pre-healing trace definitely made it alot harder, now it is much easier.

When BW has as much money to throw around as Blizzard let us know? Sorry, but WoW took years to "get" somewhere. I'll admit WoW has better PVE, but as for PVP when compared to eachother... the only mode I hate on this is attack/defense because nubs or the fact you ca get locked in the spawn for 30+ seconds after an objective is completed. Sadly, that is unavoidable in both cases. So, no, you can't compare a game that was just released to one that only made money because they advertised. Notice how if you tell someone about another game that knows about WoW they tend to have no idea what you're talking about, because games are not known. WoW makes alot of money from people thinking "This is the best out there!" when truthfully it's just better known because of advertisement. Once swtor picks up and makes more money they can hire more staff members to help release content faster, not to mention try to fit their playerbase's needs.

I cringe at EVE PVP, mostly because it's not really "skill" vs organization. Which in itself is a good thing, but I never managed to die in EVE unless I let myself die. (Wrong ship, warped into a bad situation, didn't line up to warp out to not get insta-popped, etc.) Or the fact it's extremely slow and boring Darkfall, eh... wasn't bad at all but sadly wouldn't P2P it. Just wish Ubi didn't shut down Shadowbane.

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Um... Mind Crush Mind snap Boulder or Pebbles, obviously Pebbles does more DPS Mind Crush anytime it drops Repeat? If you don't have your target DoT'ed at all times you're killing yourself in the DPS race. If you don't know what I mean by pebbles and boulder you should be sad. I'm having a blast trolling my buddies by telling them that, then they remember I "renamed" them.

Sounds like poor CC usage.

You should have not even told people that easily, I had a good laugh for 4 hours hearing about 2 people from a guild's vent (That I fought in other games) complaining how healers were "gimp". Until their leader ruined it and made me join their group and told them to spec DPS, then they noticed clearly it was them being derps. Not to mention... it's PVE. Not like you'll get focused by the AI currently in-game.

You just lost, there is no coming back sir. No but seriously, there are alot more games that do it as well if not better, problem is WoW is to well-known and is like the redneck of MMO's. That and since it's well known people act like WoW created/stated everything. I'll leave it at that, since truth be told WoW didn't really "create" anything that someone else didn't do first. Edit : Not trolling, yes there is some "skill" involved in higher tier PVP but it's more-so of common sense as anyone can understand WoW. Not to mention WoW's PVP went down hill long ago, it's basicly derp-tastic and full of QQ. I'll say the most fun in PVP was vanilla, now it's just painful to watch when someone tries to show me how good they are in PVP on WoW. Why? Because I can stick them on another game and they'll most likely either suck or rage-quit. WoW is forgiving, swtor follows some things WoW has but WoW didn't create these "Things". UI W-A-S-D Global CD Facing your target to use a skill/spell However now it's more like I'm trolling WoW players. So I'll just say, wait and see what happens because it JUST got released. You can't expect a game to be released and be on-par with long term MMO's. It clearly out-preformed WoW's release outside of server que's.

Still doesn't explain why a 30% perma-debuff is required compared to possible debuffs that a player applies onto you. As someone already stated, nerf damage by 30% and you'll hear about it just as much. People complain about healers because it's "Anti-fun" mostly since they have no idea how to counter it. If 1 person is tanking 5+ people, they deserve to lose because they are clearly on the wrong target or that target is getting massively focus healed. (Again, meaning they are on the wrong target)

Oh ya I can see it as annoying, no doubt. However, that's because BW hasn't figured out proper counters to healing outside of the -30% healing reduction in que'd PVP. That isn't going to work, obviously, that's more of a lazy fix. Add possible healing debuffs that can be used to reduce healing done to said target or interupt heal-like powers. Hell, both would be fine. But the passive cut is quite derp. I ran into a game with 4-5 Sorcs, didn't matter because we CC'ed properly and bursted them down one by one. Maybe they were bad, who knows. Or another fix could be to nerf healing all around unless speced into it? There are so many other ways to go around this issue rather then a 30% cut. Now does the 30% cut effect me alot? Not really, I heal like a boss, but I do hate losing 30% of my total heals for no good reason. Not to mention medals for healing in PVP are crap compared to doing DPS/defending. It's like getting the shaft because someone couldn't come to a reasonable fix. WoW - Had tons of "Reduce heals by % on target" (Also, I know it's a known rule to not bring up WoW on any MMO. Mostly because it's the perfect example of QQ'ing at it's finest. That and being easymode compared to other MMOs) Shadowbane - Had shadowmantle, blocked all heals to that target and also "Healing Resistance" debuffs that reduced healing to that target. Hell, we had MFing % heals where you'd swear you were gonna get a kill and BAM 50% of that target's HP is back instantly with no chance for you to stop it. However, you couldn't win with just healers. DCUO - Controler's healing output debuff, heavy MFing healing counter. Some games are fine balanced to where CC counters healing more then enough Other games - Generally have perma-CC where you can't move at all so healing has to be OP since once you're CC locked you're done. Or they increased DPS so much that it was pointless to even play a healer because you are better off rolling DPS. If you look at HPS vs DPS, DPS always wins. This is true in any game, that's why CC is required to be used properly to greatly turn the tide. You aren't going to find that in pugs tho, people blow their CC instantly and QQ on these forums about how OP "x" class is. I've seen a game where someone was stunned from 4 different people, at the same time, thus instead of getting like a 12-20 seconds of total CC they got about 4.