I'm not really happy at all with these forum wars but once more I feel like I have to say something again because few people except GMs understand how a guild work it seems, and specially one in SWTOR. So your "X guild changed blabla and now is this or that" kind of complaint is a bit bul.lsh.it. Yeah I would be glad to keep people that I trust but I certainly didn't choose to see them leaving or slacking so much that I need to find replacements. Replacements that don't come from under a rock btw, they come from other top guilds usually. And like me everyone else does the same. So if people were more loyal and didn't have IRL issues I would be glad not changing, but if you are a bit realistic you get that having a competitive group of players and avoiding all the polemic players that people may dislike is a bit of an impossible goal. Not that it matters anymore since rwzs are dead and therefore I don't need to worry about having a shadow so we can play or a *********** tank, but I would recommend some of you to look a bit at something else rather than yourselves for a while at least instead of whining all the *********** time about issues that you contribute to create. Kthxbai

Bul.lsh.it, unless 2.0 is from 1 week ago, otherwise I remember wins in CWs, Hypergates, Novares. I'll take dust off my screenshots if you need help with your memory that seems quite selective.

Drama grew stronger lately and had always ****loads of damage... So they started pretty bad compared to ACE and then went better and now arenas are their thing so good for them. I don't understand though couple of things.... The need of thrash talking all the teams but yours, and why people don't realise that teams evolve and usually in imp side they tend to absorb all active/good players to make up for their lack of continuity and suddenly they do good, and then they crash and restart. So Drama from start was not Drama now, same with Impulse, same with all teams. Edit: and Whasp <3 thank you. Started to think I played a different game.

I'm sorry but your calendar is completely inaccurate. We were winning 95 per cent of the games after Warmongers left for a very long time, and at that time MVPS were just starting and FUBAR weren't much of a trouble until they evolved so I think Coral had a well respected place of dominance until our old team was dissolved but since no big mouths or trolls it seems people lose memory pretty easily. Kinda sad after all the work to see things like this but oh well.

I tried to keep queueing the first days after the RWZ announcement without much success because no other guild seemed to give a ****. Now after like 2 or 3 weeks... it's probably a dead cause. I don't even think I want to bother again tho, but good luck in any case.

Because some of us come here to try and put some sense into BWs heads about removing rwz and now this? Oh well maybe instead of "qqing" we should just leave at the first sign of something that we don't like as every other guild does, and not give a **** about SWTOR because hell, we can go to FFXIV or GW2 or whatever other game that will come in the way.

How many credits do you plan on demanding?

Awww I want to be in your guild! Need a sage on The Bastion now :<

Awesome thread, 5 stars. Also, give marauders a heal2full ability and then we can talk about adressing sages again. In the meantime sages are OP healing-to-full pieces of ****.

Well not everyone has the best comp to play, I believe tonight they are playing 3 Corals and 1 Harb with commando heals, soo... yeah, w/e.

Personally the ones I like more are those three "FUUUCK!", "GDit!@" and "HEAL $@" hahahah

I think you're the confused one... ranked warzones won't be there after 2.4. Ranked meaning you are able to win or lose rating over it, and warzones meaning warzones maps. So 8v8 REGULAR warzones are the ones maintained, and they don't give any rating a.k.a., not ranked. The only ranked will be arenas.

You're clearly clueless, but I'm repeating this for you. RWZs are a process, unlike normals. A pro-cess. Meaning you're not playing exclusively for the "now" but also for the future. To improve, for example, to get some content or patch so you build different strategies. It's like having a book that you're reading but it's 800 pages and they're gonna take it from you in 1h and you're at page 50. You clearly are gonna keep reading it while knowing you won't actually read the end instead of protesting and trying to have it for as long as you want. Right.

I can only speak about Tomb of Freedon Nadd, my server, but the future and even the present now is absolutely depressing for every top PvP guild... all of them are half dead or entirely disbanding, which is understandable since 8v8 has been the only purpose of our guilds building up to now (and in my case that means making the effort for more than a year)...: getting a main team up running, getting replacements, asking people to come every day at a certain hour to get all together in ts and have some fun as you play something competitive AND with a group of people... even having some guild versus guild rivalry because honestly, 4 group is like a premade in normals, it gives less options and what sense of community does it provide? none, even less if you were not prepared to shelter all the fotm classes, so you're always lacking a tank/scoundrel healer to make more than one team... No matter what they do from now on, PvPers patience has been tested for too long and this was the last blow they all needed to go away, even more now than we've been expecting this "pvp patch" with all our hopes and trying to forget about the disappointments in the past because hey, BW was giving us finally attention. Biggest troll ever.

**** you guys... making me sad :<

8v8, no doubt.

It's kinda funny your defense of arenas and then your pointing at scoundrels being too OP to bring any other healer out there. We already said that before: 4v4 just brings imbalancing issues to the next level, not accompanied by a solid balance patch (which already was 2.0 so they won't remotely touch that as much anymore) makes a lot more classes unhappy and if you don't reroll you can't participate in high level competitive PvP anymore, whereas before every class had its place in 8v8. So yeah... that's one of the reasons why the dead of ranked is not a *********** good thing.

Looooool

Just came for you :3

Very accurate.

Who cares about this server forums anyway, they are dead and they suck :>

^ This.

I love how you build an 8 team and work hard for it over a year to get it destroyed in one patch. How is that srewing us!? Naaaah. And to the one who started this thread. I don't get what you mean by 8s and 4s warzones. You do know that they're killing the 8v8 right? The 4 man is called arena and the 8 groups are wzs.

I don't know why you are comparing one and the other in terms of numbers... you realize arenas and warzones are nowhere the same right? In one you kill, in the other you kill to obtain something with it.

I am not arguing, kid.