So we add saberstrike to deception rotation under same pattern we did with hatred and its "not complex" while hatred under same circumstance is... logic.... Also speaking of boss fights - its not hard to stand behind boss if boss stands still and you get no aoe damage near boss, and much harder if boss is not standing still and also ignores agro/taunts on certain time intervals. You might concider killing something more than a damage doll. Also while leveling - dealing with packs of enemies as deception is harder(much harder) than hatred.

You forgot cloak and blackout on cd to not starve as deception and constantly possition yourself at the back of a target to maul. Also aoe as deception is pathetic. So who is more complex is still under a question. Also all you did in you "rotation" - was adding a saberstrike in all parts and called it complex. Priority system is not complex and your beloved decetion has more complex stuff in its rotation. Hatred has more error windows.

Madness rotation is not that hard either. discharge -> creeping terror -> death field -> leeching strike -> demolish -> assasinate on proc/saber strike renew dots -> repeat Yes it involes more buttons than just deception, but you dont gey starved on force and don't have to use you utility in rotation(cloak) And deception only shines when he can 1 hit mobs while leveling

Time spend leveling doing class quests is not same for every class - keep that in mind. For example doing class quests for consular takes ages, while doing class quests for bounty hunter times much less.

Devoronian ffs! Ratataki or sith are not evil enough, I want a devil looking one.

It's hardly a credit sink, as the credits just go in others pocket...

I welcome you to solo him as mara. Me ? I'm just flying around with no opportunity to deal damage. Soloed him as sin with little effort thanks to range attacks and cc immunity.

Seriously I am flying like a bird the whole fight and can't do a thing. Too much cc.

This game is full of cheaters, bug users and exploiters. And worst of all BW does not care about all this in pvp, where they should care most. No. Only if it applies to pve they act. And it is sad...

No. The cc is out of hand. There should not be any stunlocks in the first place. Nerfing damage is not a solution - you can hold that damage while not in stunlock but can't in stunlock. The rediculolus amount of CC is a real issue and should be adressed. Stun/mez doesn't allow you to use your medpack,adrenal and dcd. The situation is clear as glass here.

Roots do not prevent actions. You can use dcd in roots - you cant in stun. Too much stuns in pvp I say. It wouldn't be a problem if only roots were over the top, no. The cc in general is out of hand - stuns, slows, roots too much of it. But I'd be gladly if we do not get stunlocks. I don't mind being rooted a lot, but constantly stunlocked is too much.

Says nobody.

The amoung of Crowd control in pvp matches is over the top Stunlock is zero skill and you can't do a thing while being stunlocked. Bioware your idea with cleasing removing CC is not working as intended the cc window is too small to cleanse before being bursted to DEATH. NERF CC or BUFF RESOLVE and include ROOTS to RESOLOVE.

Open world pvp in swtor: 1) gank questing people fighting mobs 2) wear pvp gear(you can do that on level cap) while ganking those carebears 3) run to guards when stuff gets out of hand Yeah.. So exiting.

its ok. its just a few sec and he can't do anything else. I'd better nerf lethality op self heal. Too much heal for a dps.

So we have that exact pvp stat that affects how "good" you are in pvp and that stat alone determines the main outcome. Everything else: skill, class imbalances, team work is second. Why am I writting this ? Because if you have zero pvp gear - you are always a free frag. Having less than 1900 is a free frag. And on top of that you have to play wz to get it. That leads to: 1) people que wz in pve gear = free frag due to not knowing how bolster works = giving your team a disadvantage 2) people whine and claim other classes are imbalanced or/and hacking 3) people don't return to pvp part of a game(getting burned in 3 sec with no exp constantly is a let down) I am sure BW implement class balance fixed taking in account 2018 exp cap. So what am I suggesting ? Remove exp gear for good. Replace it with pve gear, but with different bonuses than pve currenty have(more cc and anti cc oriented, spec specific) This way you will smooth edges between geared and ungeared players a lot and pvp will be competitive. I was stomped in non ranked wz wearing 162 pve purples before got 168 pvp set, then it felt ok, but I again was stomped by 174 ranked people. Now wearing 174 ranked set - I stomp people wearing 168 sets and annihilate people wearing pve stuff. People don't see class balance without equal terms. 174 pvp vs 168 pvp is not equal. Active raiders be on equals in pvp, Active pvp will be on equals in pve. And as a bonus world pvp could get more interesting. Currently its not. If you dev team take something from other games - take it all. For example in other mmo where we have pvp stat we are allowed to gear in pvp using pve curency exchange. But you can't buy pvp currency with pve and buying pve currency with pvp is worthless since you get lots from daily. Think of it. No pvp stat, only pve gear, use it to fullest(defensevie pve stats included) Removing pvp stat solves so many problems currently involved in pvp... Why is it still here ?

A good pvp deception player can burst enemy player quite fast and has a lot of cc. Do I need to tell you how much burst is important in current ranked ? Do you actually play rank ? Deception is fine in ranked. What is not fine is the overall amount of cc in ranked. Also only way to play good in ranked is to know other classes, their pros and cons. Some has more cons than pros and vise versa, but none class is undefeatable. The only usefull thing I see in a list is taunts - use them a lot and often. People jump in regular WZ wearing their pve equips vs other wearing ranked and get stomped and come cry about imbalances. People que ranked in exumed gear and get stomped by those who wear DR and use nades and cry about FOTM classes. You people know nothing about how gear in mmo affects pvp. NOTHING. And yet complain. Here is my list of what not to do in RWZ, cause I see people doing it here and now. Hope you get a memo 1) Don't play a hero - I mean jump first in enemy team. Juggs/mara/rep version I am looking at you. 2) Analyse your surroundings - clever use of space is half win. Being in los from enemy is good, being in los from a teamate is bad. 3) Even with dot spread(that you cry a lot), with sorcs aoes (you cry as much) - sticking as a team is vital. Spreading across a map will nearly always lead to fail. 4) Assist your teammates. RWZ is not WZ. Every team member is crucial to success. 3 vs 4 is almost always a lose, 2 vs 3 is always a lose. 5) Use your adrenals, stims, grenades. Yes stims are that inmportant, yes you can use a grenade without having cybertech now and it doesn't cost much to buy and yes, those adrenals you get are given you for a reason. 6) Listen to what other say. Don't suggest something you did not try and ended with success. I mean something like "we focus their guardian - they do not expect it." You have no idea what other can expect until you see their reaction. Don't lead your team on a faulty course.

Thank you all for your contribution

Seriously! I play on pvp server and rep running in pvp zones with pvp flag off so I can't attack them, but they do get to attack me first. So how do you do it ? How to force pvp flag off in pvp zone?

It only says there will be no new tier after season 4 Currently season 3 just ended and season 4 is about to begin. 168 and 174 are from season 3 I believe.

Do you have anything to back it up ?

Will it be available in season 4 ? I see there won't be any next tier gear in season 5, but no clue about season 4. Nothing in patch notes as well, but nothing to say there won;t be as well. So is there going to be a new gear tier in season 4 or not ?

Thank you all, who replied. I reached lvl 47 doing KDY. Leveling a mara is a pain.

I had the same problem as OP leveling my marauder past 3.0 As a marauder you get lots of agro and as such lots of incoming damage. Normaly you split incoming damage between your companion, but if you charge in a crowd and use smash with crit buff - you'll be half way down in seconds after cc smash have wears off. Do not use aoe, use single target skills and pick mobs 1 by 1. They will focus more on your companion and you get less incoming damage.

Here it is. There is no way you can legitely go inside, since its instance. Yet this guy and other of his guild come there and wipe low lvl emp players with 60 rep in pvp gear. Fix it ASAP, I also request you to take actions against that specific player since its not just bug abuse, but bug abuse to prevent others from playing the game - he kill lows as soon as they are ressurected. Server: Tomb of Freedon Nadd Player: Tarisian'prize Guild: Outbreak http://i59.tinypic.com/2evagc5.jpg Yes you can tell me about asking guild mates to help, but it works for open zones, this is a closed zone where other faction has no legit access.