There are plenty other creative ideas to progression besides better gear. Like the PvP ranking system and the legacy system, there can be much more. To some players its all about leveling and getting all the loot but to others its about having fun with friends. So, its just your opinion that progression is everything. Some people just want good enough gear and then go out having fun doing pve or pvp and don't care about getting stuff. oh and no way should someone who plays 10 hours a day have an advantage over others who can't, just like you said very few people can do that so why give them an advantage.

Well, you didn't provide any arguement to what I said about WoW. All you're saying is "WoW is the most successful MMO", which doesn't mean anything. Justin Bieber was the most successful person in music last year, are you saying that he was the best? WoW was successful becuase its easy to play, runs well on very low-end systems, becuase of these it had a lot of people playing, then its a gear based game and the gear grind is a time sink so people stay around to get the mad lewts. It was very good for business but as a game it was crap. It was never designed for PvP and they never came close to getting it right and even they admit to wishing they put more into PvP. WoW was designed so that the person who had no life at all was the best and someone who had work/school or both and friends or girl/boyfriend was at a disadvangtage because they couldn't waste their life away on the computer. WoW was lame, I had a lot more fun in many other mmos.

I understand what progression is and that its what mmo's are about, but gear doesn't have to be part of the progression otherwise the people who have absolutely no life at all have the advantage. I see what you're saying though, Cent is so easy to get they should've just made that better.

I agree! I believe getting good gear shouldn't be a time sink. Games like WoW make a very gear based game then as a sorry excuse for adding content they put in better gear and another pve dungeon that you have to grind for a while to get that gear. I will not fall for a game like that which is designed to keep you around longer to take your money, new content should be something fun to do not more mad loots to get.

I think its simple 2 different types of healers, 2 different types of tanks and a variety of 4 dps.

werd. Rift was extremely boring and lame...

werd. This OP is absolutely wrong. More Valor and 3 kills counted towards the ilum daily/weekly for completing Warzones does not mean less people will be doing Warzones and has nothing to do with burst damage. This must be a troll...

People are still crying about grav/tracer... if you can't stop a grav/tracer spammer then you need to look at what you're doing becuase they are cake. I have a commando and the dps does not come from grav round, it comes from Demo Round, HIB, and Full Auto. A few Gravs just make those moves stronger.

um... Jugs and Guards are way better carrying the ball. Why hate on Sorcs and Sages? Force run is only for 2 seconds and they still go in areas that anyone else can by just taking a little more time, it not like force leap that can get you up and over things. The Pull only does what anybody who knows how to pass can do.

On the second day after hitting 50 I had 2 champ relics, 1 champ off hand, 4 armor pieces of Cent, 2 Cent implants and a earpiece. I've been top dmg on amlost every WZ I'm in and I don't have trouble with anyone in BM gear... so, maybe skill does matter and the gear you need to compete is very easy to get.

Wound in the Force is very competitive, has very skilled players on both sides. Queue times are very short and Ilum is always packed.

OP made some great points. I have to say something positive about the PvP. I normally don't like WarZone style PvP as much as world PvP, but I love WarZones in TOR! The class balance is great for an mmo and the maps are very objective based, even though there should be more maps. If the WarZone PvP wasn't so much fun I'd be gone because the world PvP is absolute crap, and this coming from someone that loves open world PvP. Ilum is laggy, it shows you how imbalanced the population is, and the objectives are pointless and not fun. Its funny how they made the WZ's very objective based but open world just about kills.

don't be a sore loser, play the game.

guardians and juggs own huttball, if they know how to play well.

on my server, Republic wins almost every WZ, but on Ilum we are outnumbered greatly.

werd, this is the most fun I've had in any mmo.

yes, and rift is a boring time sink.

cross-server is stupid

I look for sorcs for easy kills. So, you say they're over powered...lol

I used to call out east/west but people got very confused...lol. Now, I have to use right/left which I think is silly.

people have crazy ideas about gear... this isn't a gear based game like wow. The expertise you get from cent gear is good enough, considering that you're a good player.

I play on Wound in the Force, I'm Republic, most people in WZ's on both sides are very good. Most matches are very competitive.

they didn't set the standard on pvp, wow's pvp was horrible.

Good info here guys, thanks.

Mortar Volley gives the enemy 2 secs to get out of the red circle before taking dmg, the bh's version hits right away. Full auto doesn't doesn't do the the third tick of dmg if you take dmg while channeling. These 2 bugs are very annoying.