This is something we all see more then we should I believe as it our main defense. Yet after 20 seconds of not fighting anyone and no dot's on anyone, I still cannot use my main defensive ability. Instead of being able to use my main defensive ability all I see is red text on my screen. Cannot to that while in combat. I notice it the most in Hutball where I take cover and wait and wait and wait to use my stealth again. I guess the question is this working as intended? On other maps I seem to be able to use stealth faster, maybe the hutball or on map damage obstacles are causing this?

Think this you getting off topic. Why should anyone making a new toon for pvp pick anything other then a sorc/sage or merc/commando when the level 50 bracket is made up 90% of these classes. Any other class you pick you will be fighting 2+ of these classes at a time. The real problem is why are these classes so high in numbers and nothing is being done about it to save the game? I think everyone is re-rolling these classes if not they are being rolled in warzones by them.

So why should a "easy" Class dominate the more hard to play classes in pvp? Sorry when does 1vs1 even matter other then when someone breaks off from a group? This game is group based most of the time. These points do not explain why anyone would play any other classe when creating one for PVP.

Sorc/Sage and Merc/Commando Serious question not crying post. On my server in the 50 bracket of PVP War Zones these classes mentioned (Sorc/Sage Merc/Commando) Make up 90% of the population in War Zones and the server is one of the more popular servers. So why would anyone play any other class? These players have groups full of them and all do very well. Other then personal choice I see no reason to play any other class. I know they do not want this large majority of players to rage quit cause of a nerf so why not buff other classes or give more utility for pvp that would not equal a nerf for the most played classes in the game.

I agree. OP is the only class I really enjoy. At this point I need this class fixed for pvp and way fixed for PVE as a dps class in order to keep playing this game. On my server which has a very high pop Warzones are flooded with 70% Sorc's 25% Merc's and 5% sins. Most prob rerolls.

<<58 valor operative, played op for 2 months in closed beta. I do not even do PVE and I am on a PVE server. My guild may need me once week when other better classes are not on and I go. If I pst someone LF DPS for a HM 95% of the time I get ignored when I tell them my class spec OP/Concel. So what do I do in this game I waited years to play? I PVP which I enjoy but it's all I can really do. Oh and try and level. ALT. PVE operations i consistently run out of energy on trash mobs trying to keep up with other classes, can not use stealth attacks much (NO Sprint) so get left behind if you try and stealth normally. Boss fights same issues as other melee classes, you get hit by aoe and have to position correctly and stop dps when aoe comes. While range classes continue DPS which is equal to my DPS if not better due to energy issues and position issues. Being the only melee in a 8 man raid was no surprise as they need to do (Special) things for you like guard and more heals then others. I sign this thread if you want to do PVE DPS at level 50 you better roll one of the 3 ranged dps classes.

Operative does need a sprint though a knock back would be nice, I believe a sprint would benefit this melee class more. A sprint on a 1-3 min cd maybe with spec options and does not break stealth on use. They may add this as is sounds reasonable but soon I doubt. The way thing's are looking I say 6 months - 1 year minimum on this needed change. I for see more nerf's before any utility or sustained dps is added. We are low on the importance totem pole my stealthy friends.

Gear out your tank, dps at the start till she gets aggro or starts dieing then dot mob and heal her. Dot auto attack and heal.

You realize that sorc's are also considered sages. Bounty hunter/troopers are very close to the same overpopulated issue as sorc/sage's.

Do not have time to reroll. We still do decent in pvp though many other classes can do better and have a easier time equalling our damage. Also cause I am not going to give in to the one button wonder classes.

I believe it is a known bug. I once was stunned for 35 seconds carrying the hutball. That was fun.

Force lighting is the spamable skill that can be very strong as well as slow the target down. Yes it can be inturpted but normally more then one sorc is casting it. What I mean by easy to play class is someone not that good can put up decent numbers with little effort. Were other class's may have to work extra hard just to equal the bad players numbers. Here is a perfect exsample from last night actually. This one sorc would stand still and cast lighting the whole time. When you attack her she would stand there and continue to cast lighting on her current target. Sometimes she would cast her bubble, she would stand there looking at you if you inturpted her lighting. She was very easy to kill but even with all the mentioned funny facts the not funny part was in the end she was #1 on overall damage and we had heavy hitters and wiped the floor with their team. More unfunny facts, a month from now when she is decked out in pvp gear spamming one skill while drinking chocolate milk and eating cookies!

Yes sorc/sage can be op and the one button spammers can be annoying and powerful. Though they can be easy to kill also. These post are funny as other classes mentioned are op also sometimes. though the number of sorc/sage players is very large meaning they are very strong and can be very easy to do good. Personally from a operatives perspective bounty hunters/troopers seem very OP right now. Tracer missle spam is a joke. They are very hard to burn down in heavy armor and hit just as hard as a sorc. Did I mention some can heal and some wear heavy armor do insane dps and oh wait they get a gold shield bubble. Yea how is that OP?

It is actually a funny change as the old bags were frustrating but gave you the gear you needed, other then duplicates. I am valor 54 and have almost all champ gear and had a lot of bad luck on bags. That gives me 6 long levels to go before I can even try for battlemaster bags. Which seems balanced to me. So people will get their gear faster and still wait a very long time for battlemaster bags, how long do ya think till they cry it takes to long to get to battlemaster? Let people get their gear most are still gonna be scrubs Just means more tracer missile/lighting spammers hitting one button and topping the charts in damage. No joking this one sorc did nothing but lighting and stand there, maybe a bubble but always to late and she was #1 on damage. Owned her bad though. These type of changes you will see more alt's.

This was a very good thread>>>> http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=262987 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Will this thread I am posting on be closed also?

All ready did unsub but it's a shame really liked the game. I really did not want to cancel but operative is the only class I want to play and it is hurting very badly now. Any way I am sure this post will be closed like all the others.

I can live with the two out of three changes but the armor pen is brutal to our PVE dps and made us almost useless vs geared heavy armored classes in pvp. We really need more sustained dps and utility also. This post in the PTS forum sums up it all I think. www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=262987

Great idea with server groups of 3-4 other servers. Might even be a good idea to only put pvp servers against other pvp server and likewise for PVE servers. Just do the RP-pvp with pvp and RP-PVE with PVE. This will help separate hard core pvper's from casual pvper's. Though I am sure hardcore pvper's would love owning PVE players trying to do their pvp dalies.

It is possible that biochem caused their metric system to red flag operatives because of their burst dps. The real fail though is needing biochem AGAIN instead boosting other crafting skills. Many crafting skills are pointless at 50.

Least played class can equal more gear, that is a small part of why i picked it. You NON Operatives posting are a joke. The top guild on my server had one operative which is a healer and even he is MIA. It's pretty obvious we need a utility to offer the group or something that makes us an asset and not hindrance.

I got a wake up call for ya bro, I had the same issues before the nerf patch. Now we all that wanted to do PVE are screwed cause we picked the least played class in the game instead of a force user or BH. Thanks BW I feel the same as this poster. I loved the game to but I love my class also. I DO NOT WANT TO RE-ROLL!

^know how to finish a sentence. There helped you out, now read and type full sentences. The point was operative is a advanced class in SWTOR which for the most part get's ignored when it comes to raiding. Now it will be even harder to get in a raid with this stigma surrounding our dps which for the most part is now true.

OMG they are crying and talking about how they are going to quit. He just is asking for what obviously needs to be done. They broke operatives PVE role and hindered their role vs some classes in pvp. You all do realize that WZ's and raids are filled with sorc's and merc's, 25% of them being one button nooberz. Pretty obvious things need to be balanced. Here is an idea, you could of seen how bad operatives were getting hit and defended them as a whole aspect of what is to come to other classes. Instead most just said like OMG they can kill me then run or die they are so OP. Here is a hint that is all we can do, now are PVE role is gone. Thanks not like I wanted to raid or anything.

I really hope this is not true. If I were to cancel I would possibly comeback if they fixed the class. Or if I had time off work, giving me time to level a new toon, like Christmas break. Who knows what game will be out by then though. I feel sorry for PVE OP's though as on my server the top raiding guild only had one OP and he is a healer. I do not have to time to be a full time raider any more but did want to jump in some with my guild. I all ready get left out of raids, wonder what my chances of getting in a raid now are. Gota love 10 year old sorc's taking your raid spot with you having tons of raiding experience counting for nothing because your class/spec is not needed.

Someone mentioned stealth not being effective, which I also notice everyday and never understood this bug being missed. I spend 2 talent points to increase my effectiveness in stealth to be seen threw my stealth from 10 meters away every WZ. I quit wow 5 years ago and will not go back. If all this is true that I read (which I will find out when I get off work) I will cancel and so will my 3 other friends will eventually. I love this game and was looking forward to it for years, but I do not have the time to re-roll and would just have a bad taste in my mouth the whole time from my main class being broken. I was a beta tester which playing for free was great but now I pay to play the (beta), which is obviously why this nerf happened right? We are still in beta or am I crazy?